Woman raped by stranger and then arrested by cops.

[BudAshes]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: CrazyShiz

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
So, if Bin Laden were raped we should let him go?

Oh hell no. He should rot in jail AND be denied the Morning After pill. God knows the murder of over 3,000 people is equivalent to stealing...


Please think before you speak.

So now we have degrees of law breaking? Who sets that standard?

stick to p&n you whore.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: irishScott
That's fine, but it's not like women are intentionally aggravating rapists. They wear clothing of that nature for a number of psychological reasons, one of which is attracting guys (the vast majority of whom appreciate a nice body). However, the vast majority of guys are NOT rapists. Thus it is not the women's fault for attracting the wrong type of guy.

Example:
Let's say you're single, you dress a certain way, and you get raped by a gay guy (Disclaimer: I am in no way making a statement against gay people. I actually support gay rights, and have a couple of friends who are gay). Should you change your clothing to deter these attacks? Would you? Even if you knew it was attractive to women as well?

Next: You keep making references to "Carnal Christians" so I suppose I should state my beliefs. I don't want to start a religious debate. This i just what I think.

I'm Agnostic. While I believe there is a god, I cannot believe it is a god whom condemns innocent unbelievers to eternal torture and damnation simply because they are unbelievers. Yet this is the case with every religion.

The Christians and Jews have their sinners and unbelievers who need to be saved.

The Muslims have their Kuaffar who are to be mistrusted and oppressed (and eventually eliminated when Islam takes over the world :disgust: )

The Buddhists have their unenlightened.

The Hindus have their untouchables.

And almost every other religion has some trait like this.

Hypothetical Scenario: A kid is born in a box, has no human contact, is fed through a tube and kept alive until he dies from old age. The kid has never heard of religion, let alone one god or another. Does god condemn the kid to hell? According to most religions, yes. I refuse to believe in such a hypocritical god; who claims to be infinitely merciful but condemns millions of innocents every day.

And in the off chance that these religions are correct, I will gladly go to hell with such legends as Mark Twain, Webster, and others in protest to this unfair and hypocritical arrangement.

I believe that carnality is a natural part of humanity, but we were given intelligece, and thus we are required to use it (who doesn't want to be intelligent anyway?). This entail controlling the carnality. Loosing control of it is inexcusable except in a few rare cases.

I will do my best to better humanity's state. If this is not enough for god, god can bite me. And according to most religions, he will.

Eh, I think my original statement has been drawn out as a 100% occurrence. I didn't mean for things to get this out of hand. I merely said originally that wearing skimpy clothes has a tendency to excite *some* rapists. I never said it would fix the problem, just help it

As to the gay comment, thats a bit out of the context I was referring to. People will wear what they do regardless of what i say. If it turns some drunk man on enough to rape say me, well... thats gonna suck, but im not changing my clothes (but im not that attractive to either sex, clothes or not 😉)

As to the whole God thing... thats going to vary alot. I know in Christianity, you have a choice. If you dont want God, fine... but why should he let you into heaven if you dont?

As to your hypothetical question, once again, I dont know other religions. But Christianity has a part to it called *Age of Responsibility* Now I cant talk much about it because its way off topic. But anyways, until a certain time he is exempt from hell. this goes for babies and the like. It does not include tribesman. As you referred to intelligence, they are supposed to be able to tell that there is a God and as such find the truth. Complicated enough to explain fully in this limited space but its sort of an explanation.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: AMDUALY
First to say, OWNED

Ban.

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: irishScott
That's fine, but it's not like women are intentionally aggravating rapists. They wear clothing of that nature for a number of psychological reasons, one of which is attracting guys (the vast majority of whom appreciate a nice body). However, the vast majority of guys are NOT rapists. Thus it is not the women's fault for attracting the wrong type of guy.

Example:
Let's say you're single, you dress a certain way, and you get raped by a gay guy (Disclaimer: I am in no way making a statement against gay people. I actually support gay rights, and have a couple of friends who are gay). Should you change your clothing to deter these attacks? Would you? Even if you knew it was attractive to women as well?

Next: You keep making references to "Carnal Christians" so I suppose I should state my beliefs. I don't want to start a religious debate. This i just what I think.

I'm Agnostic. While I believe there is a god, I cannot believe it is a god whom condemns innocent unbelievers to eternal torture and damnation simply because they are unbelievers. Yet this is the case with every religion.

The Christians and Jews have their sinners and unbelievers who need to be saved.

The Muslims have their Kuaffar who are to be mistrusted and oppressed (and eventually eliminated when Islam takes over the world :disgust: )

The Buddhists have their unenlightened.

The Hindus have their untouchables.

And almost every other religion has some trait like this.

Hypothetical Scenario: A kid is born in a box, has no human contact, is fed through a tube and kept alive until he dies from old age. The kid has never heard of religion, let alone one god or another. Does god condemn the kid to hell? According to most religions, yes. I refuse to believe in such a hypocritical god; who claims to be infinitely merciful but condemns millions of innocents every day.

And in the off chance that these religions are correct, I will gladly go to hell with such legends as Mark Twain, Webster, and others in protest to this unfair and hypocritical arrangement.

I believe that carnality is a natural part of humanity, but we were given intelligece, and thus we are required to use it (who doesn't want to be intelligent anyway?). This entail controlling the carnality. Loosing control of it is inexcusable except in a few rare cases.

I will do my best to better humanity's state. If this is not enough for god, god can bite me. And according to most religions, he will.

Eh, I think my original statement has been drawn out as a 100% occurrence. I didn't mean for things to get this out of hand. I merely said originally that wearing skimpy clothes has a tendency to excite *some* rapists. I never said it would fix the problem, just help it

As to the gay comment, thats a bit out of the context I was referring to. People will wear what they do regardless of what i say. If it turns some drunk man on enough to rape say me, well... thats gonna suck, but im not changing my clothes (but im not that attractive to either sex, clothes or not 😉)

As to the whole God thing... thats going to vary alot. I know in Christianity, you have a choice. If you dont want God, fine... but why should he let you into heaven if you dont?

As to your hypothetical question, once again, I dont know other religions. But Christianity has a part to it called *Age of Responsibility* Now I cant talk much about it because its way off topic. But anyways, until a certain time he is exempt from hell. this goes for babies and the like. It does not include tribesman. As you referred to intelligence, they are supposed to be able to tell that there is a God and as such find the truth. Complicated enough to explain fully in this limited space but its sort of an explanation.

Oh well. Guess I started a religious discussion. Anyways my beef with the gods of most religions is not that they don't let you into their heaven. I can understand that. What I don't understand is on what grounds that they send you to hell, which the bible describes as a place of eternal torture. Torture can be interpreted to mean many things, all of them bad.

To eternally torture someone under any condition makes you sub-human IMO. Even Osama Bin-Laden doesn't deserve it. Granted, he shouldn't go to heaven, but why not merely blink him out of existence?

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: SirStev0
Patriot act?

there are countless examples of the RR blocking rights and freedoms. Bet you didn't know that the HPV vaccine has been around for years. The RR has successfully blocked it from being distributed for the whole time. Only recently has it been legalized. Id say the countless women who lost the ability to have children because of HPV caused Cervical cancer have significantly lost rights and freedoms.

What does the PATRIOT Act have to do with the religious right? You can't attribute everything Bush does to them.

when they are the biggest supporters of bush and are his core voters i can 😛

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: SirStev0
Patriot act?

there are countless examples of the RR blocking rights and freedoms. Bet you didn't know that the HPV vaccine has been around for years. The RR has successfully blocked it from being distributed for the whole time. Only recently has it been legalized. Id say the countless women who lost the ability to have children because of HPV caused Cervical cancer have significantly lost rights and freedoms.

What does the PATRIOT Act have to do with the religious right? You can't attribute everything Bush does to them.

when they are the biggest supporters of bush and are his core voters i can 😛

Actually, the RR while a significant voting block, is FAR from the largest supporters of the Republican party. The Republicans pander to the RR, but seldom do anything for them, and when they do, it raely is ever passes.

The Patriot Act had nothing to do with the RR, nor is it a religiously based or biased law.

 

[Amused]

BTW, folks an update:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/30/jailed.rapevictim.ap/index.html

Tampa attorney Jennifer D'Angelo, who represents the jail worker, said Tuesday that her client is prohibited from giving inmates any medication without specific orders. The worker insists she never discussed religion with the woman who reported being raped.

IF the nurse really was following rules, than the rules need to be changed. And this sounds like a typical government agency SNAFU.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Unless these "zealots" actually force their beliefs on others, it cannot be compared to this situation. Someone refusing to give medication would NEVER be done by an atheist, no matter how much of a "zealot" they are.

I think that saying a person should not be allowed to hold certain jobs because they are religious is just as bad, and that's what StatsManD did. My point is that it's stupid to be proud of your religious beliefs because of something stupid that someone from another religion did. There are stupid people who hold every religious belief, including atheism, and yet you don't hear people saying "people like DVK916 make me proud I'm not an atheist." That's an ignorant statement, just like Ranger X's was. You're judging an entire group based on the actions of a small segment of the group.

Why do you keep putting "zealot" in quotes? 😕 It's a real word. 😉

Someone said that religious people can't hold a certain job? Well, if they refuse to do the work on religious grounds, then they obviously shouldn't apply/take the job, no?

It isn't a small segment though, because it is so prevalent in society. When I was a child, a christian child(and a friend no less) told me I was going to hell because I wasn't christian. My wife's family was downright hostile to me(because of religion-even though I have no religious beliefs(although I am not atheist) when we met and it wasn't until she and I moved out of state and she stopped all communication for a year that they tolerate me now. I get people coming to my door multiple times during the year trying to convert me... you have situations like THIS, or Stem Cell research(which is pretty major), gay marriage, abortion, cases like Terry Schiavio where religious zealots are forcing their views on others...

Yet atheists never do anything like this. The most an atheist would/has done is to try to remove religion from government buildings or remove the word god from the Pledge. This doesn't have even close to the effect that the above have. This doesn't hurt anyone like Stem Cell research, gay marriage, and all of my above real life experiences do.

It is by no means a "small segment of the group" that does these things. Unless you consider the president of the united states and congress part of this "small segment(schiavo, stem cell research, gay marriage).

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: SirStev0
Patriot act?

there are countless examples of the RR blocking rights and freedoms. Bet you didn't know that the HPV vaccine has been around for years. The RR has successfully blocked it from being distributed for the whole time. Only recently has it been legalized. Id say the countless women who lost the ability to have children because of HPV caused Cervical cancer have significantly lost rights and freedoms.

What does the PATRIOT Act have to do with the religious right? You can't attribute everything Bush does to them.

when they are the biggest supporters of bush and are his core voters i can 😛

Actually, the RR while a significant voting block, is FAR from the largest supporters of the Republican party. The Republicans pander to the RR, but seldom do anything for them, and when they do, it raely is ever passes.

The Patriot Act had nothing to do with the RR, nor is it a religiously based or biased law.

They are the ones that pushed Bush over the edge to victory in 2000.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: irishScott
That's fine, but it's not like women are intentionally aggravating rapists. They wear clothing of that nature for a number of psychological reasons, one of which is attracting guys (the vast majority of whom appreciate a nice body). However, the vast majority of guys are NOT rapists. Thus it is not the women's fault for attracting the wrong type of guy.

Example:
Let's say you're single, you dress a certain way, and you get raped by a gay guy (Disclaimer: I am in no way making a statement against gay people. I actually support gay rights, and have a couple of friends who are gay). Should you change your clothing to deter these attacks? Would you? Even if you knew it was attractive to women as well?

Next: You keep making references to "Carnal Christians" so I suppose I should state my beliefs. I don't want to start a religious debate. This i just what I think.

I'm Agnostic. While I believe there is a god, I cannot believe it is a god whom condemns innocent unbelievers to eternal torture and damnation simply because they are unbelievers. Yet this is the case with every religion.

The Christians and Jews have their sinners and unbelievers who need to be saved.

The Muslims have their Kuaffar who are to be mistrusted and oppressed (and eventually eliminated when Islam takes over the world :disgust: )

The Buddhists have their unenlightened.

The Hindus have their untouchables.

And almost every other religion has some trait like this.

Hypothetical Scenario: A kid is born in a box, has no human contact, is fed through a tube and kept alive until he dies from old age. The kid has never heard of religion, let alone one god or another. Does god condemn the kid to hell? According to most religions, yes. I refuse to believe in such a hypocritical god; who claims to be infinitely merciful but condemns millions of innocents every day.

And in the off chance that these religions are correct, I will gladly go to hell with such legends as Mark Twain, Webster, and others in protest to this unfair and hypocritical arrangement.

I believe that carnality is a natural part of humanity, but we were given intelligece, and thus we are required to use it (who doesn't want to be intelligent anyway?). This entail controlling the carnality. Loosing control of it is inexcusable except in a few rare cases.

I will do my best to better humanity's state. If this is not enough for god, god can bite me. And according to most religions, he will.

Eh, I think my original statement has been drawn out as a 100% occurrence. I didn't mean for things to get this out of hand. I merely said originally that wearing skimpy clothes has a tendency to excite *some* rapists. I never said it would fix the problem, just help it

As to the gay comment, thats a bit out of the context I was referring to. People will wear what they do regardless of what i say. If it turns some drunk man on enough to rape say me, well... thats gonna suck, but im not changing my clothes (but im not that attractive to either sex, clothes or not 😉)

As to the whole God thing... thats going to vary alot. I know in Christianity, you have a choice. If you dont want God, fine... but why should he let you into heaven if you dont?

As to your hypothetical question, once again, I dont know other religions. But Christianity has a part to it called *Age of Responsibility* Now I cant talk much about it because its way off topic. But anyways, until a certain time he is exempt from hell. this goes for babies and the like. It does not include tribesman. As you referred to intelligence, they are supposed to be able to tell that there is a God and as such find the truth. Complicated enough to explain fully in this limited space but its sort of an explanation.

Oh well. Guess I started a religious discussion. Anyways my beef with the gods of most religions is not that they don't let you into their heaven. I can understand that. What I don't understand is on what grounds that they send you to hell, which the bible describes as a place of eternal torture. Torture can be interpreted to mean many things, all of them bad.

To eternally torture someone under any condition makes you sub-human IMO. Even Osama Bin-Laden doesn't deserve it. Granted, he shouldn't go to heaven, but why not merely blink him out of existence?

In Christianity, you dont have it quite right. God created Hell for the devil. If you dont follow God, your following the Devil, there is no in between road. So you go to the same place as the Devil. So therefore you will suffer under the Devil's "rewards." God doesn't want anyone to go to hell (the verse currently illudes me). But there is no alternative if you choose not to follow him.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Quintox

Originally posted by: Qacer

The victim also said a nurse supervisor at the jail would not give her the "morning after" pill that she had received at the clinic.

Hope she got fired
[/quote]

Naw, she'll be on the cover of Best Nurse Monthly next month.

 

[amicold]

This is what happens when you steal. Everyone's pointing the finger like "omg she was raped how can you be so heartless?"

Grand theft at 17? I'm sure she was a crackwhore anyways.

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: irishScott
That's fine, but it's not like women are intentionally aggravating rapists. They wear clothing of that nature for a number of psychological reasons, one of which is attracting guys (the vast majority of whom appreciate a nice body). However, the vast majority of guys are NOT rapists. Thus it is not the women's fault for attracting the wrong type of guy.

Example:
Let's say you're single, you dress a certain way, and you get raped by a gay guy (Disclaimer: I am in no way making a statement against gay people. I actually support gay rights, and have a couple of friends who are gay). Should you change your clothing to deter these attacks? Would you? Even if you knew it was attractive to women as well?

Next: You keep making references to "Carnal Christians" so I suppose I should state my beliefs. I don't want to start a religious debate. This i just what I think.

I'm Agnostic. While I believe there is a god, I cannot believe it is a god whom condemns innocent unbelievers to eternal torture and damnation simply because they are unbelievers. Yet this is the case with every religion.

The Christians and Jews have their sinners and unbelievers who need to be saved.

The Muslims have their Kuaffar who are to be mistrusted and oppressed (and eventually eliminated when Islam takes over the world :disgust: )

The Buddhists have their unenlightened.

The Hindus have their untouchables.

And almost every other religion has some trait like this.

Hypothetical Scenario: A kid is born in a box, has no human contact, is fed through a tube and kept alive until he dies from old age. The kid has never heard of religion, let alone one god or another. Does god condemn the kid to hell? According to most religions, yes. I refuse to believe in such a hypocritical god; who claims to be infinitely merciful but condemns millions of innocents every day.

And in the off chance that these religions are correct, I will gladly go to hell with such legends as Mark Twain, Webster, and others in protest to this unfair and hypocritical arrangement.

I believe that carnality is a natural part of humanity, but we were given intelligece, and thus we are required to use it (who doesn't want to be intelligent anyway?). This entail controlling the carnality. Loosing control of it is inexcusable except in a few rare cases.

I will do my best to better humanity's state. If this is not enough for god, god can bite me. And according to most religions, he will.

Eh, I think my original statement has been drawn out as a 100% occurrence. I didn't mean for things to get this out of hand. I merely said originally that wearing skimpy clothes has a tendency to excite *some* rapists. I never said it would fix the problem, just help it

As to the gay comment, thats a bit out of the context I was referring to. People will wear what they do regardless of what i say. If it turns some drunk man on enough to rape say me, well... thats gonna suck, but im not changing my clothes (but im not that attractive to either sex, clothes or not 😉)

As to the whole God thing... thats going to vary alot. I know in Christianity, you have a choice. If you dont want God, fine... but why should he let you into heaven if you dont?

As to your hypothetical question, once again, I dont know other religions. But Christianity has a part to it called *Age of Responsibility* Now I cant talk much about it because its way off topic. But anyways, until a certain time he is exempt from hell. this goes for babies and the like. It does not include tribesman. As you referred to intelligence, they are supposed to be able to tell that there is a God and as such find the truth. Complicated enough to explain fully in this limited space but its sort of an explanation.

Oh well. Guess I started a religious discussion. Anyways my beef with the gods of most religions is not that they don't let you into their heaven. I can understand that. What I don't understand is on what grounds that they send you to hell, which the bible describes as a place of eternal torture. Torture can be interpreted to mean many things, all of them bad.

To eternally torture someone under any condition makes you sub-human IMO. Even Osama Bin-Laden doesn't deserve it. Granted, he shouldn't go to heaven, but why not merely blink him out of existence?

In Christianity, you dont have it quite right. God created Hell for the devil. If you dont follow God, your following the Devil, there is no in between road. So you go to the same place as the Devil. So therefore you will suffer under the Devil's "rewards." God doesn't want anyone to go to hell (the verse currently illudes me). But there is no alternative if you choose not to follow him.

So even if I do more of "God's Work" then 90% of the Christians on the planet, I still get sent to hell simply for not believing in the Christian god? Murderers and rapists who redeem themselves get to go to heaven, and I get sent to hell for, say, (hypothetically speaking, obviously) wiping out disease, and thereby enabling more Christians to approach god perhaps? There is still hipocracy all over the place. By the laws of belief, rapists become angels in heaven if they repent, and heroes become devils in hell for not believing in the first place.

 

[grrl]

Originally posted by: Tylanner
against her religion?

that bitch is honestly the scum of the earth.

You obviously don't realize she's one of the chosen people here to save others from themselves.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: irishScott
So even if I do more of "God's Work" then 90% of the Christians on the planet, I still get sent to hell simply for not believing in the Christian god? Murderers and rapists who redeem themselves get to go to heaven, and I get sent to hell for, say, (hypothetically speaking, obviously) wiping out disease, and thereby enabling more Christians to approach god perhaps? There is still hipocracy all over the place. By the laws of belief, rapists become angels in heaven if they repent, and heroes become devils in hell for not believing in the first place.

Compressed again. Anyways, its in the Bible. John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Contrast that to Isaiah 64:6

But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Our works are natural reactions from an acceptance of faith in God. They are what helps to separate the carnal Christian from the true Christian. But there is no buying your way into Heaven as you describe. If you dont believe that Jesus Christ dies for your sins so that you may have a chance to live, then you cant go to Heaven, nor do you deserve to. Its fairly simple in its layout.

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: Leros
They really need to make a federal law that says its illegal to refuse legal medication to people.

There are so many things wrong with that I dont know where to begin.
So I'll just start in the middle of my train of thought.

I dont really wanna think about a world where doctors HAVE to give patients everything they want.
Thats just going to be bad.

Although, as time goes on I really think we need to have some serious federal regulations concerning medicine. But thats a whole new topic, (which gets discussed in P&N constantly).

EDIT:
I just read the last 100 posts, and I really think we need to have another Crusade right here, right now.
George Dubya could lead it, with Newt and Rush as his generals. 😉

 

[ShellGuy]

I hate to break it to yall but the nurse is wholy in the right to deny the drug due to religon, there are pharmasts who do this all the time, most of the time there is another one there who can do it for you, but in some cases you have to take ur rx to another location or come back later in the day, there is no reason for the nurse to lose her job over this, she has legal standing to do this. As for the fact that she was raped and then arrested who cares, she did the crime she should have made sure it was taken care of she was found guilty of grand theft. which in fl is either 2k - 3k in property, sorry about how the events unfolded but she deserved to be arrested and placed in jail..


Will

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: ShellGuy
... right to deny the drug due to religon, there are pharmasts who do this all the time....


Will

wtf are pharmasts?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: ShellGuy
I hate to break it to yall but the nurse is wholy in the right to deny the drug due to religon, there are pharmasts who do this all the time, most of the time there is another one there who can do it for you, but in some cases you have to take ur rx to another location or come back later in the day, there is no reason for the nurse to lose her job over this, she has legal standing to do this. As for the fact that she was raped and then arrested who cares, she did the crime she should have made sure it was taken care of she was found guilty of grand theft. which in fl is either 2k - 3k in property, sorry about how the events unfolded but she deserved to be arrested and placed in jail..


Will

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

 

[Qacer]

Well, I just updated my post with her arrest record. I think I can see tears and disbelief on her face. Maybe karma is at work.

 

[eits]

i'm sorry, but i really don't think that's karma...

there's NO way rape justifies not showing up to court... to suggest it is ridiculous.

 

[Qacer]

This is just a strict argument regarding karma. If we take it as an equal magnitude of "badness" for a bad thing that one caused previously, then the emotional distress that the burglary and car jacking victims experienced could be of equal magnitude to what she experience when she was victimized.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Qacer
This is just a strict argument regarding karma. If we take it as an equal magnitude of "badness" for a bad thing that one caused previously, then the emotional distress that the burglary and car jacking victims experienced could be of equal magnitude to what she experience when she was victimized.

You are completely FOS. The cases were over 4 years old, and certainly don't involve the physical trauma that rape does. There's a reason why society has set the punishment for rape much higher up the scale than the punishment for burglary or car theft.

 

[Praxis1452]

technically the nurse can deny her the ability to have the morning after pill but I read that they must provide an alternate pharmacy within a reasonable distance or place.

I thought that's how it worked. I don't claim anything.

 

[Qacer]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Qacer
This is just a strict argument regarding karma. If we take it as an equal magnitude of "badness" for a bad thing that one caused previously, then the emotional distress that the burglary and car jacking victims experienced could be of equal magnitude to what she experience when she was victimized.

You are completely FOS. The cases were over 4 years old, and certainly don't involve the physical trauma that rape does. There's a reason why society has set the punishment for rape much higher up the scale than the punishment for burglary or car theft.

That's why I said that my statement was simply a strict argument regarding karma. I'm not condoning the fact that she got raped. I'm merely stating that to karma believers it is possible that the victims of her crimes were as emotionally distressed as her. If you take out the time factor in this case, I'm sure many people's views would be different.

For instance, let's say that she burglarized a house and jacked a car a day before she was raped, would many people still hold the same views? I'm pretty sure there will be others here who'll state that she deserved it. Remember, karma doesn't believe in time.