Woman Goes to Jail for Not Mowing Lawn

[NetWareHead]

He was clearly mentally ill.

It's good to see that all his neighbours - who no doubt considered themselves to be good, wholesome people because they kept their lawns trimmed - were more interested in ganging up on this vulnerable person than getting him the help he so clearly needed.

"Good neighbourhoods" indeed.

You dont know for certain anything about that neighbor's mental condition. if he was in fact mentally ill, clearly home ownership/maintenance wasn't for him. That man needs a hospital/asylum whatever... rather than live on his own. Getting evicted was probably the best thing for him as it got him out of the house and somewhere he could get help.

But you do seem to want to make excuses for a man who created the following problems that his neighbors had to bear:
1. Vermin,animals and pests
2. Trash accumulation
3. Unsafe structural condition leading to roof collapse
4. Most likely many other examples of unsanitary/untidy conditions

I really can't believe you are defending all of that. You'd be the perfect neighbor for this man; seemingly the only one in this thread who could bear such "neighborly" behavior and probably even encourage it

 

[Veliko]

You dont know for certain anything about that neighbor's mental condition. if he was in fact mentally ill, clearly home ownership/maintenance wasn't for him. That man needs a hospital/asylum whatever... rather than live on his own. Getting evicted was probably the best thing for him as it got him out of the house and somewhere he could get help.

But you do seem to want to make excuses for a man who created the following problems that his neighbors had to bear:
1. Vermin,animals and pests
2. Trash accumulation
3. Unsafe structural condition leading to roof collapse
4. Most likely many other examples of unsanitary/untidy conditions

I really can't believe you are defending all of that. You'd be the perfect neighbor for this man; seemingly the only one in this thread who could bear such "neighborly" behavior and probably even encourage it

Did you even read the post I was replying to? It's quite clear that this nuisance neighbour was mentally ill, but hey! who cares about that kind of thing when you've got house prices to think about.

 

[NetWareHead]

Did you even read the post I was replying to? It's quite clear that this nuisance neighbour was mentally ill, but hey! who cares about that kind of thing when you've got house prices to think about.

You are finally starting to make sense. You said it yourself: "nuisance neighbor" which has nothing to do with home prices. This is about sanitation, pests/vermin and structural collapse which none of his neighbors need to be exposed to.

 

[Veliko]

As I've already stated, the most frequently stated defence for these rules is the negative effect an untidy lawn can have on the value of a house - so clearly those people view them a nuisance neighbour for that reason alone.

And again in this particular case you're ignoring the man's mental state; it's all "I don't need that".

 

[Fanatical Meat]

As I've already stated, the most frequently stated defence for these rules is the negative effect an untidy lawn can have on the value of a house - so clearly those people view them a nuisance neighbour for that reason alone.

And again in this particular case you're ignoring the man's mental state; it's all "I don't need that".

How do you suggest a community deal with a hoarder who refuses treatment and is generating unsafe and/or unsanitary conditions?

 

[Veliko]

How do you suggest a community deal with a hoarder who refuses treatment and is generating unsafe and/or unsanitary conditions?

Somewhere inbetween 'doing nothing' and 'getting him evicted' lies a middle ground of some kind; I'll leave it to your own imagination as to what that middle ground might consist of, but needless to say his neighbours and the local authorities spent a decade trying to get him evicted without giving it any proper thought.

 

[NetWareHead]

As I've already stated, the most frequently stated defence for these rules is the negative effect an untidy lawn can have on the value of a house - so clearly those people view them a nuisance neighbour for that reason alone.

And again in this particular case you're ignoring the man's mental state; it's all "I don't need that".

Yes I agree: I don't need that. Buying a home doesnt entail making excuses for a neighbor's mental condition(one that you absolute cannot substantiate) while he turns the neighborhood to junk.

As I said before in this thread, untidyness has a negative effect on prices but it also has a negative effect on my well being and sense of peace within my own home. When I wake up in the morning, in the place I call home, it stresses me to have to look across the street and see my neighbor's shitty yard with crap strewn everywhere. That feeling alone cannot be measured in dollars and cents but we are forced to quantify it somehow; and usually with a dollar figure

I cant imagine living next to the hoarder in the previous example and having to endure all of the smells. vermin and everything else that goes along with that. I want to sincerely what you would in such a situation since you are so hellbent in this thread on defending and excusing such behavior.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Somewhere inbetween 'doing nothing' and 'getting him evicted' lies a middle ground of some kind; I'll leave it to your own imagination as to what that middle ground might consist of, but needless to say his neighbours and the local authorities spent a decade trying to get him evicted without giving it any proper thought.

I'd imagine that 10 years earlier the plan wasn't eviction. I'd also imagine that people offered to help clean up. What is done when somebody simply won't comply?

 

[Veliko]

Yes I agree: I don't need that. Buying a home doesnt entail making excuses for a neighbor's mental condition(one that you absolute cannot substantiate) while he turns the neighborhood to junk.

As I said before in this thread, untidyness has a negative effect on prices but it also has a negative effect on my well being and sense of peace within my own home. When I wake up in the morning, in the place I call home, it stresses me to have to look across the street and see my neighbor's shitty yard with crap strewn everywhere. That feeling alone cannot be measured in dollars and cents but we are forced to quantify it somehow; and usually with a dollar figure

I cant imagine living next to the hoarder in the previous example and having to endure all of the smells. vermin and everything else that goes along with that. I want to sincerely what you would in such a situation since you are so hellbent in this thread on defending and excusing such behavior.

This must be a symptom of the Conservative Brain Defect condition I keep hearing about.

"I don't care if he's mentally ill, his grass is giving me a headache! Call the cops!"

 

[Veliko]

I'd imagine that 10 years earlier the plan wasn't eviction. I'd also imagine that people offered to help clean up. What is done when somebody simply won't comply?

As I said, I'll leave it to your own imagination as to what the middle ground might actually consist of.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

As I've already stated, the most frequently stated defence for these rules is the negative effect an untidy lawn can have on the value of a house - so clearly those people view them a nuisance neighbour for that reason alone.

There is nothing wrong about being concerned with property values. In fact, if you're a homeowner and not concerned, you're an idiot.

However, that is not the only reason. Most of us don't want to view dilapidated houses with 12" lawns and most of us don't want vermin, pests, and weed seeds blowing into our yard from these unkept lawns.

Again, don't like it? Move where they don't have these rules. My town and HOA has these rules and I am glad they do, though I think my HOA is too lax at times.

 

[Veliko]

There is nothing wrong about being concerned with property values. In fact, if you're a homeowner and not concerned, you're an idiot.

However, that is not the only reason. Most of us don't want to view dilapidated houses with 12" lawns and most of us don't want vermin, pests, and weed seeds blowing into our yard from these unkept lawns.

Again, don't like it? Move where they don't have these rules. My town and HOA has these rules and I am glad they do, though I think my HOA is too lax at times.

You realise that we're talking about a case where the 'nuisance neighbour' was mentally ill, right?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

You realise that we're talking about a case where the 'nuisance neighbour' was mentally ill, right?

Yes, and you'll notice I didn't quote your line about the man being mentally ill -- because I am not talking about his specific case but nuisance neighbors in general.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

As I said, I'll leave it to your own imagination as to what the middle ground might actually consist of.

Lets assume that about fifteen years ago they started with somewhere in the middle options and continued for 5 years. What is the next step when the middle options fail?

 

[Veliko]

Lets assume that about fifteen years ago they started with somewhere in the middle options and continued for 5 years. What is the next step when the middle options fail?

You're still trying to justify and excuse the eviction of a mentally ill person.

It just goes to show that society is unprepared to deal with mental illnesses, and many people don't even want to deal with it.

 

[Exterous]

That same society has obviously placed more concern on grass than what I was speaking of seeing as this lady went to jail and the assholes that caused us all massive very real damage not only didn't go to jail but got to keep their ill-gotten gains.

I think its a mistake to assume that. Wall street has to be taken care of at the top political level which requires much larger consensus and greater public push than a local grass issue

I'm curious, have you written your elected officials demanding that criminal investigations be brought against those people as I have many many times?

Yes this is one of the issues I have contacted them about

 

[bradley]

I knew someone who complained vociferously to the city (unfairly, imo) about the conditions of a neighboring property, all because he couldn't stand their biannual backyard parties.

A year later, this person in turn got flagged by the city for major renovations without a permit and operating an illegal business out of his home. It actually cost him thousands of dollars in code violations and repairs, and likely back taxes. So don't be surprised when your glass house isn't shattered.

 

[dainthomas]

Lets assume that about fifteen years ago they started with somewhere in the middle options and continued for 5 years. What is the next step when the middle options fail?

Obviously jail.

 

[Darwin333]

How do you suggest a community deal with a hoarder who refuses treatment and is generating unsafe and/or unsanitary conditions?

I don't recall seeing where the neighbors offered any treatment or even help...

 

[Darwin333]

Yes I agree: I don't need that. Buying a home doesnt entail making excuses for a neighbor's mental condition(one that you absolute cannot substantiate) while he turns the neighborhood to junk.

As I said before in this thread, untidyness has a negative effect on prices but it also has a negative effect on my well being and sense of peace within my own home. When I wake up in the morning, in the place I call home, it stresses me to have to look across the street and see my neighbor's shitty yard with crap strewn everywhere. That feeling alone cannot be measured in dollars and cents but we are forced to quantify it somehow; and usually with a dollar figure

I cant imagine living next to the hoarder in the previous example and having to endure all of the smells. vermin and everything else that goes along with that. I want to sincerely what you would in such a situation since you are so hellbent in this thread on defending and excusing such behavior.

Someone elses "untidyness" stresses you out??? You should get laid more, it helps with the stress and you are obviously very easily stressed. You must freak the fuck out when the neighbors kids accidentally leave a toy just barely on your side of the yard.

Maybe see your doc and get on some sort of medication.

 

[bshole]

You're still trying to justify and excuse the eviction of a mentally ill person.

It just goes to show that society is unprepared to deal with mental illnesses, and many people don't even want to deal with it.

So.... the rules don't apply if somebody is mentally ill?

 

[Darwin333]

I think its a mistake to assume that. Wall street has to be taken care of at the top political level which requires much larger consensus and greater public push than a local grass issue

How about just the standard rule of black and white law? Before this debacle I had always assumed that politicians didn't need to be involved for the enforcement of black letter law but I was obviously wrong. When some asshole like me can use fucking Congressional testimony to prove that some elite asshole knowingly and admittedly committed untold counts of fraud, costing Americans trillions of dollars while getting rich himself, yet no charges are filed I learned just how wrong I was.

Yes this is one of the issues I have contacted them about

Good on you brother, you're one of the few and I thank you.

 

[Darwin333]

So.... the rules don't apply if somebody is mentally ill?

No but its rather neighborly to help those in need.

Funny how me and almost all of my atheist friends think that way but most of my Christian friends tend to be more like most in this thread. So very Christ like...

 

[OutHouse]

It just goes to show that society is unprepared to deal with mental illnesses, and many people don't even want to deal with it.

we need to bring back the insane asylums.

 

[OutHouse]

No but its rather neighborly to help those in need.

charity only goes so far. at some point owning a home just is not for everybody. sorry but thats life.