Woah, a brawl at Sox-Yanks game

[bigdog1218]

All this talk about how great the Red Sux are and they'll be lucky to make the playoffs. The defense sucks, the bats are gonna cool off again, and all the tards in Boston are gonna be talking about the Pats come september. This is our year!!!!

 

[Soccer55]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Kind of funny that ThePresence is the only true NYY fan who sticks around in this thread to take the verbal assault. *hats off to ya man* The rest are licking their wounds hiding behind their Derek Jeter desktop wallpaper, reliving the past.

Or some of us had to get up early and go to work. Boston played a solid last 2 games after blowing the game on Friday. In all honesty, despite the fact that I'm a Yankee fan, I would like to see the Red Sox win the wild card. Last year's ALCS was unbelievable, and I would not have a problem seeing a repeat of that this year. Of course, I'd also want the same outcome.....Yanks in 7

-Tom

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: wkabel23

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
Text

:thumbsup:

What was their payroll again?

Boston? ~130 mill, second highest in the majors, iirc.

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Kind of funny that ThePresence is the only true NYY fan who sticks around in this thread to take the verbal assault. *hats off to ya man* The rest are licking their wounds hiding behind their Derek Jeter desktop wallpaper, reliving the past.

Or sleeping :roll: A few games mid-season really don't matter, I don't know why sux fans are gloating so much. I guess this is as good as it gets in Boston. And how could anyone call Rodriguez the biggest primadonna in baseball? You know of Pedro Martinez, yes?

Um Pedro is 3rd in the league in K/9, and 4th in WHIP (one behind Schill). He's in the top 3 in total K's (one behind Schill), he has shown no sign on fatigue or injury like years past. And this is supposed to be an off year for Pedro. Also, Pedro has had the best 2 years regarding dominance (ERA+) of any pitcher in history. No, he's not a prima donna.

ARod, on the other hand, is [a prima donna]. And I don't just say that b/c he's a hothead who can't get over himself b/c he thought Arroyo, a pitcher leading the majors in hit batters/game%, hit him intentionally b/c he had an RBI single off Foulke the night before. Please, GET OVER YOURSELF already! Sox pitchers don't give a fck about you!

But don't take it from me, take it from ESPN.com: "Rodriguez still gets a bit too anxious to do great things with every at-bat, as evidenced by his pedestrian .276 average with runners in scoring position. Pitchers are willing to take their chances against him in key situations because he's averaged a strikeout every 4.8 at-bats the last four seasons. " or "As a baserunner, A-Rod probably never again will be a 40-40 player, but he's a smart runner who rarely makes mistakes."

So let me get this straight, Texas was paying 25mil/year for a guy who will never be a 40/40 player again (he actually only did it once lol), and only bats .276 with RISP?? A guy who strikes out almost once every 4.8 ABs (21%) of the time? For a guy who traditionally does not hit good pitching well and "pads" his stats against sht teams/pitching (i.e. in the past 3 years from 2002-present he hit .337 in 101AB vs Baltimore, .386/101AB vs Cleveland, .333/108AB vs Detroit, and .369/111AB vs Toronto)??

Furthermore, he goes to NY and: 1)currently has a .968 fielding percentage with 8 errors (as many as he made ALL YEAR at SS with TX, yes he's playing a new position but so fcking what he's the highest paid player in baseball DEAL WITH IT and adjust like the greats did), 2)He's tied for 8th in the league in K's (he has more than Eckstein/Vlad COMBINED or Palmeiro/Tejada COMBINED) and only batting .280 (lowest of his career), 3)only bats .267 career off righties, and .264 from 2002-present(past 3 years) with 66 of his 82 K's against righties this year, 4) batting .231 with RISP this year, .167 at Fenway(which is why he brought to NY, to beat Boston) the past 3 years and .222 this year!

Boston has mostly a right handed rotation which could be what makes him so bad at Fenway...

This all equates to a PRIMA DONNA WHO SHOULD NOT BE THE HIGHEST PAID PLAYER IN BASEBALL. Period.

Edit: For the salary of ARod you could have Prior (3mil)/Wood (8mil) /Schilling (12 mil). And you would still have 2 mil to spare, maybe make a deal for Lidge of the Stros who makes only 360K but has 83K's in 53 innings! 25 Mil goes a LONG way. Sht you could get Big Unit/Wood or Big Unit/Prior/5mil for closer for the price of prima donna ARod.

 

[SP33Demon]

Welp, going to Camden Yards to see Pedro pitch tonight. Hopefully there won't be anymore brawls, lmao...

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Welp, going to Camden Yards to see Pedro pitch tonight. Hopefully there won't be anymore brawls, lmao...

Sure there will be. After Pedro gives up another 8 earned runs and beans Miggy in he head

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: wkabel23

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
Text

:thumbsup:

What was their payroll again?

Boston? ~130 mill, second highest in the majors, iirc.

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Kind of funny that ThePresence is the only true NYY fan who sticks around in this thread to take the verbal assault. *hats off to ya man* The rest are licking their wounds hiding behind their Derek Jeter desktop wallpaper, reliving the past.

Or sleeping :roll: A few games mid-season really don't matter, I don't know why sux fans are gloating so much. I guess this is as good as it gets in Boston. And how could anyone call Rodriguez the biggest primadonna in baseball? You know of Pedro Martinez, yes?

Um Pedro is 3rd in the league in K/9, and 4th in WHIP (one behind Schill). He's in the top 3 in total K's (one behind Schill), he has shown no sign on fatigue or injury like years past. And this is supposed to be an off year for Pedro. Also, Pedro has had the best 2 years regarding dominance (ERA+) of any pitcher in history. No, he's not a prima donna.

ARod, on the other hand, is [a prima donna]. And I don't just say that b/c he's a hothead who can't get over himself b/c he thought Arroyo, a pitcher leading the majors in hit batters/game%, hit him intentionally b/c he had an RBI single off Foulke the night before. Please, GET OVER YOURSELF already! Sox pitchers don't give a fck about you!

But don't take it from me, take it from ESPN.com: "Rodriguez still gets a bit too anxious to do great things with every at-bat, as evidenced by his pedestrian .276 average with runners in scoring position. Pitchers are willing to take their chances against him in key situations because he's averaged a strikeout every 4.8 at-bats the last four seasons. " or "As a baserunner, A-Rod probably never again will be a 40-40 player, but he's a smart runner who rarely makes mistakes."

So let me get this straight, Texas was paying 25mil/year for a guy who will never be a 40/40 player again (he actually only did it once lol), and only bats .276 with RISP?? A guy who strikes out almost once every 4.8 ABs (21%) of the time? For a guy who traditionally does not hit good pitching well and "pads" his stats against sht teams/pitching (i.e. in the past 3 years from 2002-present he hit .337 in 101AB vs Baltimore, .386/101AB vs Cleveland, .333/108AB vs Detroit, and .369/111AB vs Toronto)??

Furthermore, he goes to NY and: 1)currently has a .968 fielding percentage with 8 errors (as many as he made ALL YEAR at SS with TX, yes he's playing a new position but so fcking what he's the highest paid player in baseball DEAL WITH IT and adjust like the greats did), 2)He's tied for 8th in the league in K's (he has more than Eckstein/Vlad COMBINED or Palmeiro/Tejada COMBINED) and only batting .280 (lowest of his career), 3)only bats .267 career off righties, and .264 from 2002-present(past 3 years) with 66 of his 82 K's against righties this year, 4) batting .231 with RISP this year, .167 at Fenway(which is why he brought to NY, to beat Boston) the past 3 years and .222 this year!

Boston has mostly a right handed rotation which could be what makes him so bad at Fenway...

This all equates to a PRIMA DONNA WHO SHOULD NOT BE THE HIGHEST PAID PLAYER IN BASEBALL. Period.

Edit: For the salary of ARod you could have Prior (3mil)/Wood (8mil) /Schilling (12 mil). And you would still have 2 mil to spare, maybe make a deal for Lidge of the Stros who makes only 360K but has 83K's in 53 innings! 25 Mil goes a LONG way. Sht you could get Big Unit/Wood or Big Unit/Prior/5mil for closer for the price of prima donna ARod.

Stats have nothing to do with status as a primadonna. Pedro can't get enough of himself and I believe he might not quite be playing with a full deck anymore. You see his antics with the crowd last series (~month back) in the Stadium? Not to mention acting like the world's dumbest thug, beaning people all the time... The only thing missing from the WWF wrestler image is screaming when interviewed :roll: He really hurts the game acting the way he does.

As far as who deserves what salary and has what skills - Pedro, being a starting pitcher, plays in one out of every five games. Not that he should play more, that's what starting pitchers do, but still... Rodriguez does it all exquisitely; hits for average, hits for power, can run/steal, is a ball-magnet wherever you put him defensively, and gives every play his all unlike many American players, Manny being the best example. (is anyone else still in shock that Boston has trouble getting rid of not just a consistent 300 hitter, but a consistent *330s and up* hitter who hits for massive power as well? Ramirez's picture is next to "dick" in the dictionary...) Yes, Rodriguez had an adjustment period in April & May. It will color his stats for the year, though he's evening it out admirably. He's without a doubt the best player in baseball. As good as he is though, I'd rather see the money going toward starting pitching. But Steinbrenner is a fool.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Um Pedro is 3rd in the league in K/9, and 4th in WHIP (one behind Schill). He's in the top 3 in total K's (one behind Schill), he has shown no sign on fatigue or injury like years past. And this is supposed to be an off year for Pedro. Also, Pedro has had the best 2 years regarding dominance (ERA+) of any pitcher in history. No, he's not a prima donna.

You're quoting stats of the entire season. They've gotten lit up RECENTLY. Maybe they ARE tiring.

Edit: For the salary of ARod you could have Prior (3mil)/Wood (8mil) /Schilling (12 mil). And you would still have 2 mil to spare, maybe make a deal for Lidge of the Stros who makes only 360K but has 83K's in 53 innings! 25 Mil goes a LONG way. Sht you could get Big Unit/Wood or Big Unit/Prior/5mil for closer for the price of prima donna ARod.

You're forgetting that they Yanks are paying about half of that salary. Texas is paying the rest.

 

[wkabel23]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: wkabel23

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
Text

:thumbsup:

What was their payroll again?

Boston? ~130 mill, second highest in the majors, iirc.

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Kind of funny that ThePresence is the only true NYY fan who sticks around in this thread to take the verbal assault. *hats off to ya man* The rest are licking their wounds hiding behind their Derek Jeter desktop wallpaper, reliving the past.

Or sleeping :roll: A few games mid-season really don't matter, I don't know why sux fans are gloating so much. I guess this is as good as it gets in Boston. And how could anyone call Rodriguez the biggest primadonna in baseball? You know of Pedro Martinez, yes?

Um Pedro is 3rd in the league in K/9, and 4th in WHIP (one behind Schill). He's in the top 3 in total K's (one behind Schill), he has shown no sign on fatigue or injury like years past. And this is supposed to be an off year for Pedro. Also, Pedro has had the best 2 years regarding dominance (ERA+) of any pitcher in history. No, he's not a prima donna.

ARod, on the other hand, is [a prima donna]. And I don't just say that b/c he's a hothead who can't get over himself b/c he thought Arroyo, a pitcher leading the majors in hit batters/game%, hit him intentionally b/c he had an RBI single off Foulke the night before. Please, GET OVER YOURSELF already! Sox pitchers don't give a fck about you!

But don't take it from me, take it from ESPN.com: "Rodriguez still gets a bit too anxious to do great things with every at-bat, as evidenced by his pedestrian .276 average with runners in scoring position. Pitchers are willing to take their chances against him in key situations because he's averaged a strikeout every 4.8 at-bats the last four seasons. " or "As a baserunner, A-Rod probably never again will be a 40-40 player, but he's a smart runner who rarely makes mistakes."

So let me get this straight, Texas was paying 25mil/year for a guy who will never be a 40/40 player again (he actually only did it once lol), and only bats .276 with RISP?? A guy who strikes out almost once every 4.8 ABs (21%) of the time? For a guy who traditionally does not hit good pitching well and "pads" his stats against sht teams/pitching (i.e. in the past 3 years from 2002-present he hit .337 in 101AB vs Baltimore, .386/101AB vs Cleveland, .333/108AB vs Detroit, and .369/111AB vs Toronto)??

Furthermore, he goes to NY and: 1)currently has a .968 fielding percentage with 8 errors (as many as he made ALL YEAR at SS with TX, yes he's playing a new position but so fcking what he's the highest paid player in baseball DEAL WITH IT and adjust like the greats did), 2)He's tied for 8th in the league in K's (he has more than Eckstein/Vlad COMBINED or Palmeiro/Tejada COMBINED) and only batting .280 (lowest of his career), 3)only bats .267 career off righties, and .264 from 2002-present(past 3 years) with 66 of his 82 K's against righties this year, 4) batting .231 with RISP this year, .167 at Fenway(which is why he brought to NY, to beat Boston) the past 3 years and .222 this year!

Boston has mostly a right handed rotation which could be what makes him so bad at Fenway...

This all equates to a PRIMA DONNA WHO SHOULD NOT BE THE HIGHEST PAID PLAYER IN BASEBALL. Period.

Edit: For the salary of ARod you could have Prior (3mil)/Wood (8mil) /Schilling (12 mil). And you would still have 2 mil to spare, maybe make a deal for Lidge of the Stros who makes only 360K but has 83K's in 53 innings! 25 Mil goes a LONG way. Sht you could get Big Unit/Wood or Big Unit/Prior/5mil for closer for the price of prima donna ARod.

Stats have nothing to do with status as a primadonna. Pedro can't get enough of himself and I believe he might not quite be playing with a full deck anymore. You see his antics with the crowd last series (~month back) in the Stadium? As far as who deserves what salary and has what skills - Pedro, being a starting pitcher, plays in one out of every five games. Not that he should play more, that's what starting pitchers do, but still... Rodriguez does it all exquisitely; hits for average, hits for power, can run/steal, is a ball-magnet wherever you put him defensively, and gives every play his all unlike many American players, Manny being the best example. (is anyone else still in shock that Boston has trouble getting rid of not just a consistent 300 hitter, but a consistent *330s and up* hitter who hits for massive power as well? The guy's picture is next to "dick" in the dictionary...) Yes, Rodriguez had an adjustment period in April & May. It will color his stats for the year, though he's evening it out admirably. He's without a doubt the best player in baseball. As good as he is though, I'd rather see the money going toward starting pitching. But Steinbrenner is a fool.

Rodriguez is NOT the best player in baseball. Get over your blind love for the Yankees to recognize that.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: wkabel23
Rodriguez is NOT the best player in baseball. Get over your blind love for the Yankees to recognize that.

Originally posted by: Gurck
As good as [Rodriguez] is though, I'd rather see the money going toward starting pitching. But Steinbrenner is a fool.

That's blind love for A-Rod and the Yankees? I actually consider myself one of the more rational fans. Both sides, of course, have their loonies

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Um Pedro is 3rd in the league in K/9, and 4th in WHIP (one behind Schill). He's in the top 3 in total K's (one behind Schill), he has shown no sign on fatigue or injury like years past. And this is supposed to be an off year for Pedro. Also, Pedro has had the best 2 years regarding dominance (ERA+) of any pitcher in history. No, he's not a prima donna.

You're quoting stats of the entire season. They've gotten lit up RECENTLY. Maybe they ARE tiring.

Edit: For the salary of ARod you could have Prior (3mil)/Wood (8mil) /Schilling (12 mil). And you would still have 2 mil to spare, maybe make a deal for Lidge of the Stros who makes only 360K but has 83K's in 53 innings! 25 Mil goes a LONG way. Sht you could get Big Unit/Wood or Big Unit/Prior/5mil for closer for the price of prima donna ARod.

You're forgetting that they Yanks are paying about half of that salary. Texas is paying the rest.

Bottom line is Arod is making 25 mil, does it matter who is paying what? NY would have taken on the whole chunk if they had to, just so he wouldn't go to Beantown. Arod is a prima donna who does not deserve that salary, players like Big Unit/Schilling, Barry Bonds, and Albert Pujols do. Players who directly affect the outcome of a game and don't strike out 21% of the time... eventually age will catch up with Arod and his bat speed will decrease, and his avg will drop significantly and K/AB will go up...

Edit: You say Schilling and Pedro have been lit up their last starts, and think they are tiring. I quoted stats, I don't think them. Oh, and the stats I quoted are AFTER they got lit up, that's how dominant they have been...

 

[Gurck]

Maybe you're confused on what "primadonna" means... It's someone who's full of themselves. Rodriguez makes a lot of money, certainly. I feel he earns it, but even though you don't I'd be interested in hearing why you think he's full of himself. Are you just another jealous person who rationalizes it by truly thinking if two people were offering you money; 10 million on one side and 20 million on the other, you'd take the 10 for some BS 'integrity' reason? Pedro on the other hand seems to think he's god's gift to baseball, can bean whoever he wants at will, beat up old people, display his apparently weakening grip on sanity to 50k people at the Stadium... Pedro is a primadonna. Alex is a highly paid ballplayer.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Gurck
Stats have nothing to do with status as a primadonna. Pedro can't get enough of himself and I believe he might not quite be playing with a full deck anymore. You see his antics with the crowd last series (~month back) in the Stadium? Not to mention acting like the world's dumbest thug, beaning people all the time... The only thing missing from the WWF wrestler image is screaming when interviewed :roll: He really hurts the game acting the way he does.

As far as who deserves what salary and has what skills - Pedro, being a starting pitcher, plays in one out of every five games. Not that he should play more, that's what starting pitchers do, but still... Rodriguez does it all exquisitely; hits for average, hits for power, can run/steal, is a ball-magnet wherever you put him defensively, and gives every play his all unlike many American players, Manny being the best example. (is anyone else still in shock that Boston has trouble getting rid of not just a consistent 300 hitter, but a consistent *330s and up* hitter who hits for massive power as well? Ramirez's picture is next to "dick" in the dictionary...) Yes, Rodriguez had an adjustment period in April & May. It will color his stats for the year, though he's evening it out admirably. He's without a doubt the best player in baseball. As good as he is though, I'd rather see the money going toward starting pitching. But Steinbrenner is a fool.

Stats have nothing to with being a prima donna??? Um, yes they do. If you are hyped up as the best player in the league, you better live up to that. Pedro already has solidified his place among the greats with the 2 most dominant seasons EVER by a pitcher in his 99/00 seasons. He already has better numbers than KOUFAX.

ARod will NOT be a career .300 hitter, mark my words. He strikes out 21% of the time, of course he's at .306 now because he's in his prime. Don't tell me that he will stay at this level forever, you'd have to be on crack to believe that or he would have to be on roids to maintain his barely .300 career average. It ain't gonna happen folks. Already his defense has eroded, it's pure speculation to say whether he will play 3rd base as well as SS, his fielding % is .968 which is not good. To call someone the greatest player in the game, the man better be batting over .300 and retire over .300 that's a given. I'm calling it now, ARod will not bat over .300, it's rare to increase your career avg as age goes up. The only exception to the rule is Barry Bonds, and we all know why (he gets freaking walked so much his avg never drops).

I would honestly rather have Manny than Arod, because Manny is a superior hitter and will always be a great hitter. You don't know what you're talking about when you say that Boston couldn't "give" Manny away, nobody could afford to take on ManRam's salary and Boston was trying to bait NY to take him b/c then Boston could afford GayRod. Of course NY didn't bite, they're not stupid. But to say that nobody wanted Manny is absurd, ANY TEAM WOULD LOVE TO HAVE MANNY IF THEY COULD AFFORD HIM!!!

 

[GeneralGrievous]

It's different. A-rod got hit after driving in a winning run in the previous game. Coincedence?

It's not different. Millar hit 3 home runs the day before. If there was anything intentional at all (which I dont think there was), it was done by both sides. Bit difficult to have 3 accidental HBP in the same game.

Yes, BoSox starting pitching has been really good until recently. Maybe it's starting to fall apart? Schilling and Pedro aren't young anymore, maybe their arms are tiring? They both got lit up recently

Mariano rivera got lit up as well. Maybe he's getting old.

beat up old people

Zimmer charged at pedro. Not quite picking a fight is it?

He's without a doubt the best player in baseball.

Hahaha. Anyone who says Barry Bonds is not the best player in baseball today is either biased or stupid. Albert Pujols is better than Arod as well. Vladmir Guerrero is better. And there are probably others right at arods level.

Good hitting catchers, 2nd baseman, and shortstops get FAR too much props for playing that position. I'd rather play some defensive schmuck at those 3 positions and load up the rest of them.


Ok, Manny is an ass. Pedro is the same. After this fight it looks like Arod is the same.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Stats have nothing to with being a prima donna??? Um, yes they do.

No

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous

beat up old people

Zimmer charged at pedro. Not quite picking a fight is it?

Martinez could have dodged Zimmer, he could have just grabbed & held him, tried to calm him down a bit, could have handled it better in any number of ways. Instead he threw him down to the ground. He's an elderly man. No different than if he did it to a woman or a child. Let's not forget that Zim charged in the first place because he felt so strongly about it due to having been nearly killed by being beaned. Pedro, ever the idiotic thug, was egging everyone on by gesturing that his intentions were to bean Posada.

 

[stickybytes]

Wow. Im supriused this thread got so far...
My view on the whole arod and pedro is a primadonna thing is that arod does have a very generous salary but he deserved every bit of it when he was in texas. During the first two years he was in texas, he hit 52 and 57 homers, played awesome defense at ss, and batted .300. Even though texas still stunk like shiet as a team collectively, he deserved that 252 million paycheck.

Fast forward today and he now dons the yankees uniform and being a ny yankee viewer, i don't think he deserves that 25 million hes getting. I saw him struggle mightly during the first two months of april and may and how bad in stunk in the boston series (what was he, 1-17 or something like that?). Hes sorta picked it up now in the months of june and july but his stats are in no way goldy or "the best player in baseball" worthy. 24 Hrs and 63 rbi's are great numbers, but they're not the best. Jim thome has more hr's than him and Scott rolen has more rbi's than him. Simple fact, a-rod is not doing enough to earn his 25 million dollar paycheck. Maybe that will change once he gets more accustomed to the new york pressure but we'll see. I watch a few yanks games during the week, and he certainly does not play like that player everybody was calling "the best player in baseball".

As for pedro, he is not the same pitcher he was 5 years ago, he throws his fastball ~90mph now rather than the 96mph he was sporting when he won those 23 games 5 years ago.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Gurck
Maybe you're confused on what "primadonna" means... It's someone who's full of themselves. Rodriguez makes a lot of money, certainly. I feel he earns it, but even though you don't I'd be interested in hearing why you think he's full of himself. Are you just another jealous person who rationalizes it by truly thinking if two people were offering you money; 10 million on one side and 20 million on the other, you'd take the 10 for some BS 'integrity' reason? Pedro on the other hand seems to think he's god's gift to baseball, can bean whoever he wants at will, beat up old people, display his apparently weakening grip on sanity to 50k people at the Stadium... Pedro is a primadonna. Alex is an overpaid ballplayer.

I fixed your quote.

pri·ma donna ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prm, prm)
n.
The leading woman soloist in an opera company.
A temperamental, conceited person.

ARod is conceited because he's so full of himself to ASSUME that Arroyo hit him because of his pansy fly ball single (that would have been a fly ball out in most other parks for Foulke) that scored the go ahead RBI the night before. GET OVER YOURSELF ALREADY. To reiterate: Arroyo has the highest HBP/Game% in the MAJOR LEAGUES. Arroyo threw an inside pitch and GayRod got glanced on his body armor, so what? Boston has too much pride to give a sht about a fly ball the night before, GayRod ASSUMED he was hit intentionally and blew the f up. If that's not tempermental and conceited (see definition above), then you tell me what is.

2nd off, I don't see where you are going with the 10 mil vs 20 mil thing? Are you saying that NY offered more money, and that's why GayRod signed with them? Um, you better go read ESPN, both sides offered the same amount, the only difference was that TX was willing to pay more on NY's deal and the player's union shot Boston's logo rights to ARod down. Otherwise he would have received the same exact amount of money that he got in TX from both sides.

Last, Pedro is not a prima donna because he isn't conceited, he doesn't think that he is higher than his teammates. He takes advice from Schilling humbly b/c he knows he can get better by listening to one of the best, this is fact. A conceited man would not take advice from others. Is he tempermental? Yes, at times he is a hothead. But part of being a primadonna is also backing up your temper with your play, and Pedro is a shoe in for the HOF. He has better numbers in the same amount of seasons that Koufax played, go look it up. He had the 2 most dominant ERA+ seasons in the history of baseball, go look it up. I'll even add in a link to the website: www.baseball-reference.com
If Pedro retired right this second, he would be in the HOF with better career numbers than Koufax, Drysdale, and Gibson. Pitchers who, in a pitcher's era, were not to be fct with. Pedro pitches in a hitter's era and still has better numbers...

GayRod, on the other hand, might be lucky to get Giambi's deoderant commercial if he retired right now. Maybe even Head and Shoulders if he played his cards right.

 

[Gurck]

I can't even find the words to reply to that drivel. You're not even within shouting distance of reality. It's sad to see what 86 years and counting without a championship does to a team and its fans.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: stickybytes
As for pedro, he is not the same pitcher he was 5 years ago, he throws his fastball ~90mph now rather than the 96mph he was sporting when he won those 23 games 5 years ago.

Yes but Pedro is still top 3 in the league in K's, K/9, 4th in WHIP, and 13th in ERA (which should improve). He is still an extremely dominant pitcher even without the 96mph heater, and has changed the way he pitches. Not many players can change the way they pitch toward the end of their career and remain dominant. He's still easily a top 3 power pitcher behind Schilling and maybe J.Santana(having monster year) in the AL.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Gurck
I can't even find the words to reply to that drivel. You're not even within shouting distance of reality. It's sad to see what 86 years and counting without a championship does to a team and its fans.

Not the first, or last time a NY fan has lost a debate with me. Way to back up your opinions with facts! 86 years, lmao. Gotta love people who live in the past....

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: stickybytes
As for pedro, he is not the same pitcher he was 5 years ago, he throws his fastball ~90mph now rather than the 96mph he was sporting when he won those 23 games 5 years ago.

Yes but Pedro is still top 3 in the league in K's, K/9, 4th in WHIP, and 13th in ERA (which should improve). He is still an extremely dominant pitcher even without the 96mph heater, and has changed the way he pitches. Not many players can change the way they pitch toward the end of their career and remain dominant. He's still easily a top 3 power pitcher behind Schilling and maybe J.Santana(having monster year) in the AL.

What makes think 13th in ERA should improve? So far his ERA has been steadily climbing throughout the season. And i'm sorry, Pedro isn't a top 3 power pitcher. You're forgetting about guys like Mulder, Hudson all of whom are better pitchers right now that Pedro. Btw, even Schilling's K/9 is down by 2, since he moved to AL. I should know that, I have him on my fantasy team unfortunately.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Gurck
I can't even find the words to reply to that drivel. You're not even within shouting distance of reality. It's sad to see what 86 years and counting without a championship does to a team and its fans.

Not the first, or last time a NY fan has lost a debate with me. Way to back up your opinions with facts! 86 years, lmao. Gotta love people who live in the past....

Yessir, I have indeed lost this debate :laugh: Ironic commenting on living in the past too...

 

[Brule]

You people are deluded, A-Rod the best in baseball? He's the next Ken Griffy Jr. but doesn't have the class. Barry Bonds is not only the best player in baseball now, he may be one of the greatest of all times. Of course, he's also a jerk.

Those who don't know about what the Red Sox are REALLY like should sit back and shut up. Did you know that Kurt posts to online forums and chat rooms with Boston fans? Did you know that he did that before he joined the club, and the positive response from the fans was one of his major reasons?

Manny is not a mean person, he is very eccentric though. When he played for the Indians he had to be reminded to cash his paychecks, some were found in a pile of dirty clothes in his locker. He makes dumb plays now and then but is still an above average fielder. (he knows how to play the position, even more when by the wall in Fenway) Just because he's aloof doesn't mean jack, sorry that he looks mean. Almost forgot, if Manny gets on a hot streak he's the closest thing to a triple crown canidate in the AL. Pedro's very similar, but does have a much worse temper. If he is having problems like he has had at times this year, it isn't so much the speed of his fastball but the control of his other pitches. When his breaking ball is catching he's still clearly dominate. (he has been working on fixing a problem in his delievery, hopefully it'll happen soon)

Why don't the Yankee fans talk more about their good, deserving players like Jeter, Shef, and Matsui (the player I would most like to have) instead of harping over A-Rod? Bullpen has Kevin Brown, Rivera, and more than enough ammo if they get healthy. I hope both teams make the playoffs and have another amazing series like last year, without a B-named player making the decisive blow. (as a Yank's fan mentioned above)

BTW, Zimmer, a coach, attacked a player. He should have been thrown out if anything, but the umpires did a good job of settling the situation. As far as I know Zimm and the Sox had a friendly history beforehand, and still do even if they don't send each other X-mas cards.

Gurck: I have dictionary too, it's too bad you make your side look bad in every arguement by being a grammar cop. Read up on Pedro helping out his home country from flood damage sometime. Papers use correct grammar but they're not always in ABC order.

 

[Argo]

Brule: here's the reason why I think A-rod is the best player in baseball, he:

1) Bats .300, although right now it's only .280 take out miserable month of april and he's .300
2) He hits 50+ home runs per season
3) He plays gold glove defense at one of the games most demanding positions SS. Now he switched to the 2nd most demanding position, for the first time in his career and he's still solid defensively.
4) He has a great arm, one of the best in the game
5) He steals bases, 19 so far this season (thrown out only once), was 40-40 man earlier in his career.

If this isn't the best player in baseball, then I don't know who is.

 

[Gurck]

Did you know that Kurt posts to online forums

Kurt's only a red sox in that he wears their uniform. And yes, I'm aware of his PC enthusiasm. He doesn't strike me as the brightest bulb in the light fixture though; he plays EverQuest, which Sony has completely ruined the past two years or so. The only people who play now are a) children b) addicts and c) idiots. Many players are all three.

Manny is not a mean person

Bwahahahahahaha, good one :laugh:
Why again has Boston had trouble getting rid of him? He only consistenly hits 330+ and for power...

Why don't the Yankee fans talk more about their good, deserving players like Jeter, Shef, and Matsui (the player I would most like to have) instead of harping over A-Rod?

A-Rod has been brought up over & over by bosux fans in this thread and we're responding. That's why.

Gurck: I have dictionary too, it's too bad you make your side look bad in every arguement by being a grammar cop.

More trademark boston ignorance of reality. I was very pleasant about it until sp33d, in typical boston fashion, completely ignored my post because of its politeness & rationality - things foreign to most sox fans and all sox players :roll:

Zimmer, a coach, attacked a player. He should have been thrown out if anything

Absolutely; he's no angel and acted in embarassing fashion that day. It wasn't licence to attack him with the intent to injure though.