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Gurck

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Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
My point was not that the pitch was inside, but rather that Manny didn't overreact like a 'thug'; more like somebody who had no idea where the pitch was and apparently assumed the worst.

You truly see the team through tinted glasses, my friend.

Manny overreacted, and there was no defending that, I said that from the start. All I said is that Manny turned away, did NOT see the pitch, heard it hit the catcher's glove somewhere near his head, and apparently assumed the worst.

Side note... I like how I'm not allowed to assume anything, but yet you guys are allowed to assume that the pitch to ARod was intentional...

Manny has a history of acting that way. Boston pitchers have a history, especially in recent years, of hitting the Yankees with pitches as often and as intentionally as possible. Accurate assumptions must of course be based on past trends.
 

RedPickle

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Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Who started that whole mess with Clemens and Piazza? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't Piazza. Your Yankees aren't the Guardian Angels you're trying so hard to make them out to be. Please realize this. :roll:

I never said they were "Guardian Angels", just don't bring the Yankees down to the level of the Red Sox.

IMO there is no defending ARod's actions today.

Oh please, he doesn't have the right to have his say after getting hit by a pitch? I'm sure if we throw one at Ortiz or one of your other prized Red Sox, you would defend them saying something back. An intentional HBP is an intentional HBP and each time one occurs, someone else is allowed to say something back.
 

RedPickle

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Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Originally posted by: isekii
The pitch was high but it was no where near Manny's head.
He overreacted like another Boston Wannabe thug.

Like Rodriguez?

The pitch to Manny was over the plate and didn't hit him. The pitch to A-Rod was an intentional HBP. BRS, your argument has no ground to stand on.

Getting hit by a pitch is part of the game, if anyone should know that, it's our classless reigning MVP.
He got thumped in the elbow, big f'n deal. Get over it, and take your base. If you're going to curse the pitcher, do it on the way to first base while staring at the baseline. I think the whole problem is that ARod's ego has him thinking that he can't get hit by pitches because A) He's the highest paid baseball player, and B) He's the reigning MVP. Sorry Alex, doesn't work that way.

So are fights after intentional HBPs. Get over it and take your suspension. And why should anyone have to "stare at the baseline" while saying something? ARod's ego? What ego does he have? Has he blown up like this in the past? How can you assume that he "[thinks] that he can't get hit by pitches"? Your answering a debate with assumptions. No good.
 

NYHoustonman

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Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Who started that whole mess with Clemens and Piazza? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't Piazza. Your Yankees aren't the Guardian Angels you're trying so hard to make them out to be. Please realize this. :roll:

I never said they were "Guardian Angels", just don't bring the Yankees down to the level of the Red Sox.

IMO there is no defending ARod's actions today.

Oh please, he doesn't have the right to have his say after getting hit by a pitch? I'm sure if we throw one at Ortiz or one of your other prized Red Sox, you would defend them saying something back. An intentional HBP is an intentional HBP and each time one occurs, someone else is allowed to say something back.

And I said the same about Varitek's reaction to ARod, that he had the right to. In my mind, ARod started it, and I don't think anyone is going to change that, so I agree to disagree here.
 

RedPickle

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Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Who started that whole mess with Clemens and Piazza? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't Piazza. Your Yankees aren't the Guardian Angels you're trying so hard to make them out to be. Please realize this. :roll:

I never said they were "Guardian Angels", just don't bring the Yankees down to the level of the Red Sox.

IMO there is no defending ARod's actions today.

Oh please, he doesn't have the right to have his say after getting hit by a pitch? I'm sure if we throw one at Ortiz or one of your other prized Red Sox, you would defend them saying something back. An intentional HBP is an intentional HBP and each time one occurs, someone else is allowed to say something back.

And I said the same about Varitek's reaction to ARod, that he had the right to. In my mind, ARod started it, and I don't think anyone is going to change that, so I agree to disagree here.


Heh agreed, no hard feelings, just sports. .:beer: cheers.

NYHoustonman: ARod started it.
RedPickle: The Red Sox started it
 

Led Zeppelin

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Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Who started that whole mess with Clemens and Piazza? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't Piazza. Your Yankees aren't the Guardian Angels you're trying so hard to make them out to be. Please realize this. :roll:

I never said they were "Guardian Angels", just don't bring the Yankees down to the level of the Red Sox.

IMO there is no defending ARod's actions today.

Oh please, he doesn't have the right to have his say after getting hit by a pitch? I'm sure if we throw one at Ortiz or one of your other prized Red Sox, you would defend them saying something back. An intentional HBP is an intentional HBP and each time one occurs, someone else is allowed to say something back.

You must stop assuming that this was intentional. Players get hit all the time, and they don't react in the classless way that ARod did today.
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Who started that whole mess with Clemens and Piazza? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't Piazza. Your Yankees aren't the Guardian Angels you're trying so hard to make them out to be. Please realize this. :roll:

I never said they were "Guardian Angels", just don't bring the Yankees down to the level of the Red Sox.

IMO there is no defending ARod's actions today.

Oh please, he doesn't have the right to have his say after getting hit by a pitch? I'm sure if we throw one at Ortiz or one of your other prized Red Sox, you would defend them saying something back. An intentional HBP is an intentional HBP and each time one occurs, someone else is allowed to say something back.

You must stop assuming that this was intentional. Players get hit all the time, and they don't react in the classless way that ARod did today.

You've got to stop saying it wasn't. We both know full well it was, you just can't admit it because the truth makes your team look bad. Arroyo and/or Varitek likely said something confirming the pitch's intentional nature to get a levelheaded, intelligent and classy person like Rodriguez that upset.
 

RedPickle

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Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Who started that whole mess with Clemens and Piazza? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't Piazza. Your Yankees aren't the Guardian Angels you're trying so hard to make them out to be. Please realize this. :roll:

I never said they were "Guardian Angels", just don't bring the Yankees down to the level of the Red Sox.

IMO there is no defending ARod's actions today.

Oh please, he doesn't have the right to have his say after getting hit by a pitch? I'm sure if we throw one at Ortiz or one of your other prized Red Sox, you would defend them saying something back. An intentional HBP is an intentional HBP and each time one occurs, someone else is allowed to say something back.

You must stop assuming that this was intentional. Players get hit all the time, and they don't react in the classless way that ARod did today.


So there can be no such thing as an intentional HBP right? I mean your saying that after the Yankees scored off a frustrated Arroyo, after ARod beat them in a great game last night, after they led the Red Sox by 9 1/2 games, after the Red Sox lost ARod in the offseason, that Arroyo DIDN'T do it intentionally?
 

Led Zeppelin

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Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Who started that whole mess with Clemens and Piazza? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't Piazza. Your Yankees aren't the Guardian Angels you're trying so hard to make them out to be. Please realize this. :roll:

I never said they were "Guardian Angels", just don't bring the Yankees down to the level of the Red Sox.

IMO there is no defending ARod's actions today.

Oh please, he doesn't have the right to have his say after getting hit by a pitch? I'm sure if we throw one at Ortiz or one of your other prized Red Sox, you would defend them saying something back. An intentional HBP is an intentional HBP and each time one occurs, someone else is allowed to say something back.

You must stop assuming that this was intentional. Players get hit all the time, and they don't react in the classless way that ARod did today.

You've got to stop saying it wasn't. We both know full well it was, you just can't admit it because the truth makes your team look bad. Arroyo and/or Varitek likely said something confirming the pitch's intentional nature to get a levelheaded, intelligent and classy person like Rodriguez that upset.

Tek probably called ARod a fvcking idiot for thinking it was intentional. If they wanted to hit him intentionally, it wouldn't be on the elbow pad.
This just hurts all you Yankee fans because your precious Rivera blew the game, and you're not used to it. Btw, did you see who the winning pitcher was? An ex-Yankee! :D
 

RedPickle

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Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Who started that whole mess with Clemens and Piazza? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't Piazza. Your Yankees aren't the Guardian Angels you're trying so hard to make them out to be. Please realize this. :roll:

I never said they were "Guardian Angels", just don't bring the Yankees down to the level of the Red Sox.

IMO there is no defending ARod's actions today.

Oh please, he doesn't have the right to have his say after getting hit by a pitch? I'm sure if we throw one at Ortiz or one of your other prized Red Sox, you would defend them saying something back. An intentional HBP is an intentional HBP and each time one occurs, someone else is allowed to say something back.

You must stop assuming that this was intentional. Players get hit all the time, and they don't react in the classless way that ARod did today.

You've got to stop saying it wasn't. We both know full well it was, you just can't admit it because the truth makes your team look bad. Arroyo and/or Varitek likely said something confirming the pitch's intentional nature to get a levelheaded, intelligent and classy person like Rodriguez that upset.

Tek probably called ARod a fvcking idiot for thinking it was intentional. If they wanted to hit him intentionally, it wouldn't be on the elbow pad.
This just hurts all you Yankee fans because your precious Rivera blew the game, and you're not used to it. Btw, did you see who the winning pitcher was? An ex-Yankee! :D

Hey I liked Mendoza a lot and all the best too him. The game is over, winning or losing the game can not be changed. The outcome is done. However, what CAN be debated is the fighting incident. Did you see the smirk on Arroyo's face after he hit ARod? He hit him in the elbow with a 87MPH pitch, tell me that wouldn't piss you off. Tell me that Varitek didn't call for that pitch. A HBP is a HBP, it doesn't make it less important to hit him in the elbow and not the head.
 

Gurck

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Tek probably called ARod a fvcking idiot for thinking it was intentional
You have no idea what was said. I'd guess that Arod wouldn't lose his cool if that were the case though
This just hurts all you Yankee fans because your precious Rivera blew the game
Not at all, no player or team is perfect. Just as no team will ever go 162-0, no pitcher will ever have a 0.0 era over an extended period
Btw, did you see who the winning pitcher was? An ex-Yankee!
How many times has Clemens beat Boston in pinstripes? What about it?

Give up.
 

Led Zeppelin

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Originally posted by: Gurck
1918.

Babe, Brett, Bucky, Bill.

*grin*

Live in the past much? With all these division titles that the Yankees have won the past few years, where are the World Championships to go with it? <cough>Oh wait, the past two champs made the playoffs via the Wild Card. <cough>
 

kalster

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go Cardinals


boston is gonna suck as usual

Yanks gonna loose in the world series


go Cards !!!!!!!!!!
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Originally posted by: Gurck
1918.

Babe, Brett, Bucky, Bill.

*grin*

Live in the past much? With all these division titles that the Yankees have won the past few years, where are the World Championships to go with it? <cough>Oh wait, the past two champs made the playoffs via the Wild Card. <cough>

Lol, a Boston fan making fun of the Yankees for not winning in the past two years :D Now I've seen everything. Put down the crackpipe.
 

RedPickle

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Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Originally posted by: Gurck
1918.

Babe, Brett, Bucky, Bill.

*grin*

Live in the past much? With all these division titles that the Yankees have won the past few years, where are the World Championships to go with it? <cough>Oh wait, the past two champs made the playoffs via the Wild Card. <cough>

Lol, a Boston fan making fun of the Yankees for not winning in the past two years :D Now I've seen everything. Put down the crackpipe.

:beer:
 

Nikamichi

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Red Sox are officially the "Red Hicks'' in my book. Varitek is the biggest b*tch in baseball, how do you not take your mask off and hit somebody? And if you ask me, looks like another 5 games off for Ortiz.

Seems like Boston will try anything to get fired up. :roll:
Or maybe, they thought they could take out Alex Rodriguez and sneak in the next two games. :laugh:

A loss is a loss, Yanks are up 8.5 games. Tomorrow is another day ;)

Go Yanks!