With $15/hr min in CA, #NoMoreTipping movement has solid footing?

[JSt0rm]

That may explain why there aren't many black owners of top restaurants. They never made enough money in tips to stay in the industry. Hard to believe people support this systemic racism.

This is a meaningless comment based on another thread. You are weak.

There are a lot of black owned places that serve exceptional food.

 

[JSt0rm]

Exactly though, you peeps should have been paid a fair wage where y'all would be happy to do those things (as part of your every day job description) for whatever wage offered, with no expectation of tip (you know, like every other job out there)

But due to tipping, all you get is a bunch of pissed off workers.

If the owner paid the servers at the level they are earning now the prices of the food and drink would go up by a larger % then your tip.

You think servers shouldnt be making any real money and thats fine, thats your opinion. There is a big push in the industry to turn the service into a machine. The restaurant would love to get their hands into the tip jar. They have been trying to do that for decades. But don't ever EVER think you will be paying less. When and if the owners succeed in taking the tips away from the servers it will only be to fatten the owners pockets. It will not pay the boh above market rate. Sorry.

 

[Genx87]

If the owner paid the servers at the level they are earning now the prices of the food and drink would go up by a larger % then your tip.

You think servers shouldnt be making any real money and thats fine, thats your opinion. There is a big push in the industry to turn the service into a machine. The restaurant would love to get their hands into the tip jar. They have been trying to do that for decades. But don't ever EVER think you will be paying less. When and if the owners succeed in taking the tips away from the servers it will only be to fatten the owners pockets. It will not pay the boh above market rate. Sorry.

Most studies put the rise in menu prices to be about 20%. Like I said earlier. I would gladly pay 20% more than have to deal with tipping. It is better for everybody involved.

Nobody expects owners to pay above market rates. I think most want them to pay market rates. Which they have no been doing for decades. Instead they expect their customers to directly pay their employees because they wont. Truly ridiculous setup when one thinks about it. The only person that comes out in this arrangement is the owner. Cheap labor and if a server doesnt make enough money it is because the customer is the asshole.

 

[LevelSea]

This is a meaningless comment based on another thread. You are weak.

There are a lot of black owned places that serve exceptional food.

There are also plenty of restaurants with no tipping that have exceptional service.

The fact of the matter is that the tipping system in this country is skewed unfairly against black servers.

 

[Ns1]

The fact of the matter is that the tipping system in this country is skewed unfairly against non-white or unattractive servers -

ftfy

 

[LevelSea]

ftfy

A gay black man shouldn't even try.

 

[openwheel]

The resort I once waited in, none other than Jessie Jackson and a huge entourage came in to dine in one of the private dining rooms. I didn't wait on him, but a girl I knew did.

Their bill was enormous- she should have received at minimum a $100 tip.

But, you guessed it. The Jackass tipped $0.

Not only that, some asshole in his group left their briefcase there; they called and asked someone from the resort to drive 80 miles to return it.

You guessed it.

They didn't tip the poor slob that had to drive 160 miles round trip to return some asshole's briefcase.

For me, it's always kind of exemplified the "no tip!" types. It's not just a straight argument of business to me. It's that... you're an asshole. And a rotten human being. Someone busted their ass for you. Tried hard to make your evening pleasant. Tip them. In reality, it's how they are paying their bills. For many, it's NOT just another shitty job like fast food. It's a great job. It depends on less Jessie Jackass types in the mix though.

Amen!

 

[Ns1]

A gay black man shouldn't even try.

Lol

 

[openwheel]

There are also plenty of restaurants with no tipping that have exceptional service.

The fact of the matter is that the tipping system in this country is skewed unfairly against black servers.

Oh the race card, please.

I believe you 100% that an attractive blonde gets better tips than a chubby African American.

However, do you think the chubby one suddenly gets better wage if they both switched jobs? Racism is racism, it has nothing to do with tipping.

 

[openwheel]

There are also plenty of restaurants with no tipping that have exceptional service.

The fact of the matter is that the tipping system in this country is skewed unfairly against black servers.

So why are you bitching about it? Just eat there. 😵
It's a win-win for you.

 

[Ns1]

So why are you bitching about it? Just eat there. 😵
It's a win-win for you.

I did eat at one last week actually. The no tipping model is gaining steam here, for sure.

 

[openwheel]

Most studies put the rise in menu prices to be about 20%. Like I said earlier. I would gladly pay 20% more than have to deal with tipping. It is better for everybody involved.

Nobody expects owners to pay above market rates. I think most want them to pay market rates. Which they have no been doing for decades. Instead they expect their customers to directly pay their employees because they wont. Truly ridiculous setup when one thinks about it. The only person that comes out in this arrangement is the owner. Cheap labor and if a server doesnt make enough money it is because the customer is the asshole.

For every "study" there is another "study" to counter. Let's not go there with more "studies" because someone else will link the same podcast again. 😀

The current system works because there are tons of turn-overs in the service industry. Career waitors are the minorities of minorities. Tiffany at Cheesecake Factory is putting herself through college waiting tables making $25-$40, she is not trying to "get by". She is saving for a trip backpacking the Alps at the same time. I applaud it and I would gladly tip extra couple bucks because I've been there and done that.

Some of you cheap bastards who ate ramen nooble playing counter strike until 2am through college days probably don't have decent job or still drowning in debt, so you take it out on the wait staff because you really couldn't afford that $40 steak in the first place. You guys want to create a sea of career wait staffs making $30/hr with full benefits. Are you guying trying to be one of these "career waitors"?

Am I right? 😎

 

[Ns1]

Some of you cheap bastards who ate ramen nooble playing counter strike until 2am through college days probably don't have decent job or still drowning in debt, so you take it out on the wait staff because you really couldn't afford that $40 steak in the first place.

yep, that's exactly it.

so can you remind me why we should have tipping as a means of compensating employees again, given that there is a portion of the population who are cheap bastards who take it out on wait staff because they couldn't really afford that $40 steak in the first place?

 

[openwheel]

Here is my tip (pun intended):

Next time you cheap bastards go to a restaurant, try getting to know your server and maybe even start a conversation about "tipping". You may learn something you never knew. Not all servers are smiling for your mercy of 15% tip.

 

[Ns1]

Here is my tip (pun intended):

Next time you cheap bastards go to a restaurant, try getting to know your server and maybe even start a conversation about "tipping". You may learn something you never knew. Not all servers are smiling for your mercy of 15% tip.

I go to a restaurant to have a nice night out and enjoy some delicious food, not to have an economic discussion on wages and pay disparity with my server.


that's what anandtech forums are for.

 

[openwheel]

Now imagine if the owner of the restaurant wasnt an asshole and paid his employee a normal wage instead of relying on Jessie Jackson to pay her.

How is the restaurant owner an "asshole" when the server applied for a job to be paid minimum wage plus tips?

I am going to ask Tiffany at Cheesecake Factory if she is thankful for her job with flexible schedule, or does she think her boss is an "asshole" to force her into that awful job.

 

[Ns1]

How is the restaurant owner an "asshole" when the server applied for a job to be paid minimum wage plus tips?

The owner is an asshole because he shifted the responsibility of paying a reasonable wage from the business onto the consumer.


BTW when you speak to Tiffany, be sure to talk to Jose in the back. Maybe you can catch him before he heads off onto his 2nd/3rd/4th job in order to feed his family, while Tiffany goes off to the alps.

 

[openwheel]

The owner is an asshole because he shifted the responsibility of paying a reasonable wage from the business onto the consumer.


BTW when you speak to Tiffany, be sure to talk to Jose in the back. Maybe you can catch him before he heads off onto his 2nd/3rd/4th job in order to feed his family, while Tiffany goes off to the alps.

Jose in the back owns a beach house near Baja. He is leaving at the end of 2017 to reunite with his wife and kids. Adios bastardos baratos! :thumbsup:

 

[LevelSea]

It's cute that you can quip about "poor" people complaining about have to tip, but obviously are too poor to do any international travel.

 

[waggy]

Here is my tip (pun intended):

Next time you cheap bastards go to a restaurant, try getting to know your server and maybe even start a conversation about "tipping". You may learn something you never knew. Not all servers are smiling for your mercy of 15% tip.

I go to restaurants to eat. Not to talk with the servers.

 

[JockoJohnson]

Here is my tip (pun intended):

Next time you cheap bastards go to a restaurant, try getting to know your server and maybe even start a conversation about "tipping". You may learn something you never knew. Not all servers are smiling for your mercy of 15% tip.

Who are the cheap fuckers tipping 15%? 15% is if they go out of their way to do a shitty job.

My wife and I always tip 20%. -- total bill tax included. And it doesn't matter if they are white, black, ugly, pretty, gay or not...seriously, people are just fucked in the head to base a tip off of looks. Just be nice, take my order and serve the food. Polite conversation during that time doesn't hurt either.

 

[openwheel]

It's cute that you can quip about "poor" people complaining about have to tip, but obviously are too poor to do any international travel.

I am so poor, my international travels are all paid in miles and points. :thumbsup:

 

[Ns1]

Who are the cheap fuckers tipping 15%? 15% is if they go out of their way to do a shitty job.

My wife and I always tip 20%. -- total bill tax included.

more anecdotal evidence that tipping has minimal bearing on service.

I am so poor, my international travels are all paid in miles and points. :thumbsup:

How much do you tip the airline attendants for all their hard work? 10% of your ticket retail price? 15%? I mean I hope you give the pilot a $50 spot too for getting the entire plane there safely.

 

[openwheel]

Who are the cheap fuckers tipping 15%? 15% is if they go out of their way to do a shitty job.

My wife and I always tip 20%. -- total bill tax included. And it doesn't matter if they are white, black, ugly, pretty, gay or not...seriously, people are just fucked in the head to base a tip off of looks. Just be nice, take my order and serve the food. Polite conversation during that time doesn't hurt either.

You are nuts for tipping your server, especially the ugly ones.
You should demand the asshole restaurant owners to pay your server more so you don't have a tip. 😎

 

[zinfamous]

For every "study" there is another "study" to counter. Let's not go there with more "studies" because someone else will link the same podcast again. 😀

no there isn't. That's simply an old fallacy by those with no real data to counter valid data that they simply don't like.

If there is, I'm sure you would provide it right here.

The funny thing is you calling all of us cheap, even though we actually admit over and over how we always tip on the high end. It's not so much the tipping and unwillingness to pay--it's the fact that the model is fucked. It is bad for everyone involved in the process.

You see fear in menu prices being raised to compensate for lack of tipping. It's pretty much the same rate as the standard tip that I leave...so this tells me that you are the cheap bastard, unwilling to pay at the same rate that I actually tip.