Wisconsin recall elections today

[Yreka]

Seems like they need to raise the bar on what it takes to initiate a recall election.

Someone mentioned that these seats come up again next year, and all this money and time is spent to shuffle 2 seats ? Not to mention all the time lost in the diversion where these people should actually be doing their jobs.

What kind of precident does this set ? Legislation gets passed you dont agree with = RECALL. I hear both "sides" complain about government at all levels inability to get anything meaningful accomplished. Frivolous recalls are only going to make things worse.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

I got a raise at my job working as a TA for UW-Madison so I ran some numbers. My health insurance premium went up over 100%. ...But not paying union dues means I'll take home more money (~$5!) every month. Ha ha ha...worthless PoS union.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Frivolous recalls are only going to make things worse.

The problem is defining 'frivolous.' These recall elections in WI are imho frivolous and a waste. Though thanks to both Rs and Ds from out of state for pumping tens of millions of dollars into our economy.

Remember Rs tried to impeach Clinton for lying about a BJ. Sure he was under oath, but so fucking what? If the dude lies about getting a hummer, I do not care. If he lies about something that jeopardizes America, I care.

Political stunts are part of the game. Rs and Ds both win some and lose some. The ultimate losers are the American people. 😛

 

[*kjm]

Seems like they need to raise the bar on what it takes to initiate a recall election.

Yes they do this game has been going on way to long and it's a bunch of crap.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x133840

 

[*kjm]

The problem is defining 'frivolous.' These recall elections in WI are imho frivolous and a waste. Though thanks to both Rs and Ds from out of state for pumping tens of millions of dollars into our economy.

Remember Rs tried to impeach Clinton for lying about a BJ. Sure he was under oath, but so fucking what? If the dude lies about getting a hummer, I do not care. If he lies about something that jeopardizes America, I care.

Political stunts are part of the game. Rs and Ds both win some and lose some. The ultimate losers are the American people. 😛

:thumbsup:

 

[JimKiler]

As a person living in Minnesota I am glad this election is over I saw way too many commercials for candidates. If is funny how the unions complain about loss of benefits from the government but then waste their own money on political ads, as if that is any better.

I think unions were a good idea a long time ago but are outdated today. Even Michael Moore attacked Unions in his past when he was neither Democrat nor Republican.

 

[EagleKeeper]

I got a raise at my job working as a TA for UW-Madison so I ran some numbers. My health insurance premium went up over 100%. ...But not paying union dues means I'll take home more money (~$5!) every month. Ha ha ha...worthless PoS union.

Michigan also has stated that TAs are not public employees as related to union coverage/organization

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Michigan also has stated that TAs are not public employees as related to union coverage/organization

That's interesting. A friend of mine from high school who's a TA at U of M hasn't mentioned that and we talk (argue) about this topic frequently. I wonder how they managed to finagle that detail...

 

[*kjm]

Oh now I get it🙂

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQOjoId8Q7khttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQOjoId8Q7k

 

[Craig234]

herp derp impeachment isn't the same as recall.

It is to some Republicans.

This guy was at a town meeting saying he voted for the debt ceiling deal because his duty to the country was important and the Tea Party audience was booing him.

So he said we need to impeach Obama. He was later asked by a reporter on what grounds and he said he didn't know. It's nice we have Republicans who are grownups.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/176093-gop-congressman-calls-for-obama-impeachment

 

[Craig234]

As a person living in Minnesota I am glad this election is over I saw way too many commercials for candidates. If is funny how the unions complain about loss of benefits from the government but then waste their own money on political ads, as if that is any better.

I think unions were a good idea a long time ago but are outdated today. Even Michael Moore attacked Unions in his past when he was neither Democrat nor Republican.

Clueless. Ya, issues like salary and benefits used to be issues in our society, but now they aren't any more. Employers automatically will always give top compensation now.

Why, the fact that when unions were strong, Americans shared in the economy's growth, but in the last 30 years when they're weaker it's all gone to the top - coincidence.

Employer-worker negotiations no longer get any benefit by collective bargaining. Clueless.

 

[Lemon law]

Assuming that that the remaining two D's will hold onto the seats, its a still a big loss for Gov, Scott Walker, as Walker himself is appealing for more Wisconsin consensus which implies more compromise.

 

[trenchfoot]

What's with the repubs nowdays where they do things so blatantly wrt carrying out the orders of their royalty class?

Walker's stab at the heart of the public unions didn't have any of the finesse and poetic treachery of his predecessors.

All I heard from him was a few fork-tongue'd doublespeaking missives and rants about how important (opportunistic) it was to balance his budget (get rid of the unions) to alleviate the pain the people (Koch Brothers) was feeling from the economic downturn (that he helped cause).

It was fun deciphering cryptic flowery oratory from the repubs, especially the ones from the south.

Walker? Eh, listening to him is like listening to a looped recording of a pig eating slop compared to his illustrious repub forebearers.

Now, Schwarzenegger, well he's in a class all his own.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Assuming that that the remaining two D's will hold onto the seats, its a still a big loss for Gov, Scott Walker, as Walker himself is appealing for more Wisconsin consensus which implies more compromise.

keep trying to pound the leftist talking points...

1 loss was in a pretty good D area and the other loss was a guy who had issues. But yeah, I suppose it was a "big loss" for Walker...🙄

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Why, the fact that when unions were strong, Americans shared in the economy's growth, but in the last 30 years when they're weaker it's all gone to the top - coincidence.

Demonstrate that unions played a substantial role in the growth of the middle class post-WWII.

 

[sportage]

I havent been following this too closely. So... state workers (teachers, police, fire) are union and get pretty nice union perks via the taxpayer? What was all the fuss with police, teachers and fire fighters and the union? Are these union government jobs?

 

[Lemon law]

Look at from the bright side, come 2012, regardless if Scott Walker changes his name to Walkernagger or not, his ass will be up for a recall election, shades of Grey Davis or not. Or maybe he can aspire to be the second coming of Pete Wilson, another Republirat whose policies guarantee that Wisconsin will never vote GOP for 50 years or more.

Its easy to talk tough if you have a 19-14 Senate majority behind you, but when you have only a bare 17-16 majority, being a my way or the highway advocate can get real dubious if Walkernagger does not wake up and smell the coffee. As ole Abe said, a Wisconsin divided against itself, cannot survive.

Tic tic tic 11/2012 is coming,

 

[*kjm]

Look at from the bright side, come 2012, regardless if Scott Walker changes his name to Walkernagger or not, his ass will be up for a recall election, shades of Grey Davis or not. Or maybe he can aspire to be the second coming of Pete Wilson, another Republirat whose policies guarantee that Wisconsin will never vote GOP for 50 years or more.

Its easy to talk tough if you have a 19-14 Senate majority behind you, but when you have only a bare 17-16 majority, being a my way or the highway advocate can get real dubious if Walkernagger does not wake up and smell the coffee. As ole Abe said, a Wisconsin divided against itself, cannot survive.

Tic tic tic 11/2012 is coming,

Right but you forgot one thing... What he is doing is working🙄

 

[spidey07]

Right but you forgot one thing... What he is doing is working🙄

And what The People of Wisconsin want. I'm going to laugh extremely hard if the two dems lose their seats for abandoning their duties.

 

[sportage]

It might be that Central Falls, RHode Island declaring bankruptcy had a little to do with the recall failure. City unions broke the back of Central Falls.

 

[Lemon law]

Tell me again how Scott Walker policies are working? As Walker is bought and paid for by the Koch brothers. Do you really think the people are that dumb? But point granted they are temporarily, but they will wise up soon, and that is the important end point.

The spirit of Pete Wilson marches on.

 

[Craig234]

And what The People of Wisconsin want. I'm going to laugh extremely hard if the two dems lose their seats for abandoning their duties.

The two dems did their duty.

They opposed the betrayal of the voters with the appropriate actions.

 

[dmcowen674]

I guess all of the hundreds of thousands of millionaires in Wisconsin came out to vote against the unions.

The millionaires must outnumber the middle-class in that state.

I would like to see the district by district votes

If in fact the lower income districts voted for the Republicans

 

[Double Trouble]

Democratic Party Chairman Mike Tate

This moron has cost WI more money than I want to think about because everytime I do I get sick to my stomach.

Politics aside, that guy looks like a creepy child molester. :thumbsdown:

 

[Double Trouble]

Assuming that that the remaining two D's will hold onto the seats, its a still a big loss for Gov, Scott Walker, as Walker himself is appealing for more Wisconsin consensus which implies more compromise.

Wait wut? You're trying to spin a crushing defeat for the unions and "progressives" as somehow a "big loss for Walker"? What are you smoking? Despite the massive effort, the massive money spent and all that, they picked up (at most) two meaningless seats in the wisconsin senate. Face it, the unions got their asses handed to them.

Walker is simply striking the right tone. Instead of gloating (which the public would not like), he's saying "ok, that mess is over, now can we actually work together to do what the people of Wisconsin want us to do?"