Wisconsin economy BOOMING.. battleground state..

[Crimson]

Just heard on the news on my way home from work that Wisconsin is at his highest employment number in this HISTORY of the state.. Thats right, there has NEVER been more workers working in Wisconsin than there is today..

Not only that, there were 61000 jobs created LAST MONTH in the state... 61000! Thats in a state with a population of only 5 million or so. Thats over 2000 jobs A DAY...

How exactly can anyone claim the economy is even remotely bad when you are creating over 2000 jobs a DAY? This can't be good news for Kerry.. people vote on the economy, and apparently its booming here.

I also heard a report a couple days ago that the south has lower unemployment than the rest of the country.. Can't be good for Kerry.

 

[MonstaThrilla]

I wasn't aware that people voted based on jobs numbers.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
I wasn't aware that people voted based on jobs numbers.

I do believe I said 'People vote on the economy'.. And if they have jobs, thats a good thing ECONOMICALLY.

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
I wasn't aware that people voted based on jobs numbers.

I do believe I said 'People vote on the economy'.. And if they have jobs, thats a good thing ECONOMICALLY.

My point was raw jobs numbers don't translate into a good economy. Its so much more complex with that, and quite frankly it comes down to how people are "feeling" about the economy at the time they cast their votes. Stats don't matter to voters.

A quick Google news search pulled this:

It added more than ten-thousand jobs last month--the best June for factory hiring since 2000. That's according to preliminary estimates from the Wisconsin Department of Workforce development. During the second quarter, the manufacturing industry added 20-thousand jobs. That was the highest since the second quarter of 1997. Manufacturing hiring typically is highest in June and the second quarter. But the latest figures also exceed the average gains for those periods dating back to 1990.

All is not well though. The nearly 519-thousand factory workers last month is still the second-lowest employment level for the sector since 1992. Wisconsin relies on factory employment more than any other state except Indiana.

Hmm. So it seems that while jobs are being created at a terrific rate, Wisconsin factory workers are still at a low employment level. Will they look at the job creation rate, or will they look at the overall employment level when forming their opinion on the economy? The truth is, both stats mean jack compared to how their PERSONAL economic situation is.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Crimson
Just heard on the news on my way home from work that Wisconsin is at his highest employment number in this HISTORY of the state.. Thats right, there has NEVER been more workers working in Wisconsin than there is today..

Not only that, there were 61000 jobs created LAST MONTH in the state... 61000! Thats in a state with a population of only 5 million or so. Thats over 2000 jobs A DAY...

How exactly can anyone claim the economy is even remotely bad when you are creating over 2000 jobs a DAY? This can't be good news for Kerry.. people vote on the economy, and apparently its booming here.

I also heard a report a couple days ago that the south has lower unemployment than the rest of the country.. Can't be good for Kerry.

Where's the jobs?

Did they do away with all the farms and cows and bring back all the lost Manufacturing jobs that went to China to Wisconsin???

Where's your linkage and proof of this BOOMING State of Wisconsin???

 

[bayanke]

Seeing that I live in WI, i feel that i should respond to this somehow. WI is indeed quite a battleground state but there are still very strong democrats in our state. It is kinda funny, I work at a local radio station and we have recently been running ads for BUSH04 (which Im not proud of but im not in the sales department). Anywho, after running those ads on the air, I had numerous people call in and voice how disgusted they were with the idea of BUSH, i had to calmly explain that I dont' determine what's on the air.

I would also like to see some linkage on these numbers. Just because i oppose bush doesn't mean i have to hate improvement in my state's economy.

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: Crimson
Just heard on the news on my way home from work that Wisconsin is at his highest employment number in this HISTORY of the state.. Thats right, there has NEVER been more workers working in Wisconsin than there is today..

Not only that, there were 61000 jobs created LAST MONTH in the state... 61000! Thats in a state with a population of only 5 million or so. Thats over 2000 jobs A DAY...

How exactly can anyone claim the economy is even remotely bad when you are creating over 2000 jobs a DAY? This can't be good news for Kerry.. people vote on the economy, and apparently its booming here.

I also heard a report a couple days ago that the south has lower unemployment than the rest of the country.. Can't be good for Kerry.

Spin, spin, spin. Did you mean to post this under your Riprorin alias? Wisconsin added only 36,000 jobs in June. That is not bad, but they added only 36,400 jobs total this year. Unemployment is still 5%. They lost over 84,000 manufacturing jobs over the last four years.

Link

June unemployment dips to 5 percent

Associated Press

MADISON, Wis. - Wisconsin's unemployment rate decreased slightly in June as the state added more than 36,000 jobs, state labor officials said Thursday.

The state's seasonally adjusted unemployment rate was 5 percent last month, compared with 5.1 percent in May, according to the state Department of Workforce Development. The state's seasonally adjusted employment rate in June 2003 was 5.6 percent.

The state added 36,000 jobs from May to June, the agency said.

The job growth reflects the typical June boom in the tourism and construction industries, said Eric Grosso, a state labor economist.

"We're coming into probably the most robust time of year of our economy," Grosso said. "It's just our high season."

The state's struggling manufacturing sector added 10,500 jobs in June, DWD officials said. Over the past four years, though, the state has lost 84,100 manufacturing jobs.

Grosso said manufacturing's mini-rebound can be traced to a healthier national economy.

"We've got quite a ways to go still," Grosso said. "Let's be cautiously optimistic with what's going on with manufacturing."

Over the past year, Wisconsin has added 46,800 private-sector jobs, including 9,300 in manufacturing and 16,900 in professional and business services, according to DWD.

The seasonally adjusted unemployment rates are revised to account for fluctuations in employment that occur during the course of the year.

The unemployment rate is based on the number of people seeking employment. Those who are jobless but not actively looking for work are not included in the rate.

Link

Wisconsin Jobs
Jul 12, 2004

It added more than ten-thousand jobs last month--the best June for factory hiring since 2000. That's according to preliminary estimates from the Wisconsin Department of Workforce development. During the second quarter, the manufacturing industry added 20-thousand jobs. That was the highest since the second quarter of 1997. Manufacturing hiring typically is highest in June and the second quarter. But the latest figures also exceed the average gains for those periods dating back to 1990.

All is not well though. The nearly 519-thousand factory workers last month is still the second-lowest employment level for the sector since 1992. Wisconsin relies on factory employment more than any other state except Indiana.

Link

State leads Midwest in jobs growth
Published Friday, July 2, 2004 12:13:25 PM Central Time

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- Wisconsin gained 36,400 jobs in the last year, more than any other state in the Midwest, according to statistics from the U.S. Department of Labor released Thursday.

Minnesota added 25,700 jobs and Indiana added 10,800 jobs. Illinois lost 19,100 jobs and Michigan lost 28,300 jobs.

Gov. Jim Doyle said the job numbers showed efforts at the state level to invest in workers and businesses were paying off.

"We're back on track, but we're not out of the woods yet," Doyle said in a statement.

Wisconsin had 14,500 fewer jobs in May 2004 than it had in May 2000.

Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry has been critical of President Bush for manufacturing job losses in the Midwest, including 77,000 in Wisconsin since he took office in January 2001. But Bush has maintained the economy is rebounding, pointing to the job numbers like those released this week.

Not quite the Riprorin recovery you claim.


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Bush Apologists of America (BAA): pulling the wool over America's eyes since 1980

 

[Red Dawn]

That's Rockin good news for the Cheese Heads. Now if Pack can win the SB they might have something other states can be envious of.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: bayanke
Seeing that I live in WI, i feel that i should respond to this somehow. WI is indeed quite a battleground state but there are still very strong democrats in our state. It is kinda funny, I work at a local radio station and we have recently been running ads for BUSH04 (which Im not proud of but im not in the sales department). Anywho, after running those ads on the air, I had numerous people call in and voice how disgusted they were with the idea of BUSH, i had to calmly explain that I dont' determine what's on the air.

I would also like to see some linkage on these numbers. Just because i oppose bush doesn't mean i have to hate improvement in my state's economy.

OMG, you got calls from people?! Wow.. that didn't like Bush?! OMG.. stop the presses.. get CNN on the phone.. this is national news... the intolerent left is calling radio stations complaining about Bush comercials!!!! 'Numerous' calls too.. 5 or 6? A dozen? Wow.. what shocking news there.

Are you saying though if it were your choice you would choose to censor a candidates message because you disagree with them?

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Crimson
Just heard on the news on my way home from work that Wisconsin is at his highest employment number in this HISTORY of the state.. Thats right, there has NEVER been more workers working in Wisconsin than there is today..

Not only that, there were 61000 jobs created LAST MONTH in the state... 61000! Thats in a state with a population of only 5 million or so. Thats over 2000 jobs A DAY...

How exactly can anyone claim the economy is even remotely bad when you are creating over 2000 jobs a DAY? This can't be good news for Kerry.. people vote on the economy, and apparently its booming here.

I also heard a report a couple days ago that the south has lower unemployment than the rest of the country.. Can't be good for Kerry.

Where's the jobs?

Did they do away with all the farms and cows and bring back all the lost Manufacturing jobs that went to China to Wisconsin???

Where's your linkage and proof of this BOOMING State of Wisconsin???

Other people linked the the story... have you even been reading the thread or just coming in here to spout your rhetoric?

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Crimson
Just heard on the news on my way home from work that Wisconsin is at his highest employment number in this HISTORY of the state.. Thats right, there has NEVER been more workers working in Wisconsin than there is today..

Not only that, there were 61000 jobs created LAST MONTH in the state... 61000! Thats in a state with a population of only 5 million or so. Thats over 2000 jobs A DAY...

How exactly can anyone claim the economy is even remotely bad when you are creating over 2000 jobs a DAY? This can't be good news for Kerry.. people vote on the economy, and apparently its booming here.

I also heard a report a couple days ago that the south has lower unemployment than the rest of the country.. Can't be good for Kerry.

Where's the jobs?

Did they do away with all the farms and cows and bring back all the lost Manufacturing jobs that went to China to Wisconsin???

Where's your linkage and proof of this BOOMING State of Wisconsin???

Other people linked the the story... have you even been reading the thread or just coming in here to spout your rhetoric?

Did you even bother to read the thread, or are you just here to spout rhetoric? I ask because I did read the thread; it looks to me like you got owned. I haven't done my own research, but based on the articles quoted, your numbers are wrong, the unemployment rate is a lukewarm 5%, factory employment -- absolutely critical to Wisconsin -- is "still the second-lowest employment level for the sector since 1992", and other states in the region reported job losses.

That hardly sounds like a "booming" economy to me. If may not be as bad as it was, but they have "quite a ways to go still." Oops.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Crimson
Just heard on the news on my way home from work that Wisconsin is at his highest employment number in this HISTORY of the state.. Thats right, there has NEVER been more workers working in Wisconsin than there is today..

Not only that, there were 61000 jobs created LAST MONTH in the state... 61000! Thats in a state with a population of only 5 million or so. Thats over 2000 jobs A DAY...

How exactly can anyone claim the economy is even remotely bad when you are creating over 2000 jobs a DAY? This can't be good news for Kerry.. people vote on the economy, and apparently its booming here.

I also heard a report a couple days ago that the south has lower unemployment than the rest of the country.. Can't be good for Kerry.

Where's the jobs?

Did they do away with all the farms and cows and bring back all the lost Manufacturing jobs that went to China to Wisconsin???

Where's your linkage and proof of this BOOMING State of Wisconsin???

Other people linked the the story... have you even been reading the thread or just coming in here to spout your rhetoric?

Did you even bother to read the thread, or are you just here to spout rhetoric? I ask because I did read the thread; it looks to me like you got owned. I haven't done my own research, but based on the articles quoted, your numbers are wrong, the unemployment rate is a lukewarm 5%, factory employment -- absolutely critical to Wisconsin -- is "still the second-lowest employment level for the sector since 1992", and other states in the region reported job losses.

That hardly sounds like a "booming" economy to me. If may not be as bad as it was, but they have "quite a ways to go still." Oops.

I live in Wisconsin.. do you? Factory employment has been down FOREVER.. its not as important to our economy as it once was.. This is not the rust belt anymore.. Jobs are transitioning to more high tech jobs.. and of course service type jobs..

5%? unemployment is LUKE WARM? More people employed today than EVER in the history of the state is LUKE WARM? 2000 jobs a _DAY_ is LUKE WARM?!

I love you libbies, you can make anything sound like bad news. Here's a clue.. not everyone works in factories.. even those who do, or once did, can learn to do other jobs NOT in factories. I work with many people who used to work in factories now doing IT type stuff.. they have adapted and moved on.

Of course manufacturering jobs are not increasing, its a changing economy. But to say there are no jobs is just insane. Jobs are being produced all over the place. You just need to learn to do something other than work in a factory. I'm a strong believer in the ability of people to adapt and grow. Unlike democrats I don't think people who work in factories are incapable of doing anything else. I think they will find new jobs and adapt. Since the number of new manufacturing jobs is not keeping up with the people who used to work in manufacturing, obviously that is the case. I know you dems like to keep people dependent on your handouts and you unions, but they are not needed anymore.. people are smart, they will adapt.

Owned? Ok.. if you want to believe that.. feel free.. You negative vision of the country is whats going to cost you guys the election...

 

[Crimson]

BTW, for you kind people calling into question my numbers.. please take a look at UPDATED stats for last month and not the stuff from MAY people are posting here.. the people trying to discredit me are posting old articles..

Journal Sentinel Online

Wisconsin had more than 3 million residents employed in June, eclipsing the previous high set three years ago. According to household surveys, 61,900 more Wisconsin residents were working last month than in May, a 2% increase. No month-to-month percentage increase has been that high since 1992, according to data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

The preliminary state data played to remarks Wednesday by President Bush as he campaigned in Wisconsin boasting, as he did in Waukesha, that "the economy is strong, and it is getting stronger."

So... 36000 in May, 62000 in June.. thats nearly 100,000 jobs in 2 months in a state of 5 million people.. owned? I think we see who is being owned here..

 

[Red Dawn]

In Wisconsin there are plenty of openings for Cheese Cutters.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Crimson
BTW, for you kind people calling into question my numbers.. please take a look at UPDATED stats for last month and not the stuff from MAY people are posting here.. the people trying to discredit me are posting old articles..

Journal Sentinel Online

Wisconsin had more than 3 million residents employed in June, eclipsing the previous high set three years ago. According to household surveys, 61,900 more Wisconsin residents were working last month than in May, a 2% increase. No month-to-month percentage increase has been that high since 1992, according to data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

The preliminary state data played to remarks Wednesday by President Bush as he campaigned in Wisconsin boasting, as he did in Waukesha, that "the economy is strong, and it is getting stronger."

So... 36000 in May, 62000 in June.. thats nearly 100,000 jobs in 2 months in a state of 5 million people.. owned? I think we see who is being owned here..

From your almighty article:

But Bush critics, including the union-supported Economic Policy Institute in Washington, D.C., contend that Wisconsin's employment has not kept up with working-age population growth or with early White House projections of how federal tax cuts would stimulate hiring.
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Bottom line is you've had a couple of months of nice "improvement" after years of decline, hardly what I would call "BOOMING".

Now is the last couple of months in the right direction sustainable???

These are the type of questions to be asking rather than spouting Bullcrap that a State is "Booming" after years of not even able to keep up with increase in population. :roll:

If the Thread Poster is sincere, would be a good gesture to change the Title to reflect the true nature of what is happening in that State. Title could be more like "Wisconsin sees 2 months of improvement after many years in decline, let's keep going up"

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Crimson
BTW, for you kind people calling into question my numbers.. please take a look at UPDATED stats for last month and not the stuff from MAY people are posting here.. the people trying to discredit me are posting old articles..

Journal Sentinel Online

Wisconsin had more than 3 million residents employed in June, eclipsing the previous high set three years ago. According to household surveys, 61,900 more Wisconsin residents were working last month than in May, a 2% increase. No month-to-month percentage increase has been that high since 1992, according to data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

The preliminary state data played to remarks Wednesday by President Bush as he campaigned in Wisconsin boasting, as he did in Waukesha, that "the economy is strong, and it is getting stronger."

So... 36000 in May, 62000 in June.. thats nearly 100,000 jobs in 2 months in a state of 5 million people.. owned? I think we see who is being owned here..

Yes, you are. You don't understand the statistics.

All four of the articles (including yours, one of Ldir's is a duplicate of MonstaThrilla's) are dated July. Three of those four contain statistics for June. The Eagle Herald article has May stats. Feel free to ignore the Eagle Herald article; you're still spinning.

The difference is your stats are drawn from the household survey instead of the more widely used employer reports. As has been discussed before, the household survey overstates employment. It counts even an hour of work as being employed. Talking about "record" employment is misleading when you quote counts instead of percentages. The count of people working is at a record high simply because your population has increased. The unemployment rate, i.e., the percentage of people seeking work, is the meaningful number.

I encourage you to learn more about the these statistics and their sources before you start beating on others.

I'll also point out your dismissal of the importance of factory jobs is an unsupported opinion. It is explicitly contradicted by experts in the articles. For example, "Wisconsin relies on factory employment more than any other state except Indiana." Try again.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Crimson
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Owned? Ok.. if you want to believe that.. feel free.. You negative vision of the country is whats going to cost you guys the election...

Another straw man. I don't have a "negative vision" of the economy. It is still shakey, but mostly improving -- no thanks to King George. It is hardly "booming" as you claimed, however.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Crimson
[ ... ]
Owned? Ok.. if you want to believe that.. feel free.. You negative vision of the country is whats going to cost you guys the election...

Another straw man. I don't have a "negative vision" of the economy. It is still shakey, but mostly improving -- no thanks to King George. It is hardly "booming" as you claimed, however.

100,000 jobs in 2 months is booming.. what other definition of booming do you have?

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Crimson
[ ... ]
Owned? Ok.. if you want to believe that.. feel free.. You negative vision of the country is whats going to cost you guys the election...

Another straw man. I don't have a "negative vision" of the economy. It is still shakey, but mostly improving -- no thanks to King George. It is hardly "booming" as you claimed, however.

100,000 jobs in 2 months is booming.. what other definition of booming do you have?

Why don't you read the articles, read what I said, maybe do a little research of your own, AND TRY AGAIN. The two numbers you are adding are two different measures of the same month: June. You cannot add them together. Also note, according to one of the articles, Wisconsin is doing the best of all the states in the region. Their lukewarm performance is as good as it gets.

Booming? Bzzzt. Thanks for playing. It's a shakey recovery, but it beats the alternative. Accept it for what it is instead of constantly bleating the Bush party line.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Crimson
[ ... ]
Owned? Ok.. if you want to believe that.. feel free.. You negative vision of the country is whats going to cost you guys the election...

Another straw man. I don't have a "negative vision" of the economy. It is still shakey, but mostly improving -- no thanks to King George. It is hardly "booming" as you claimed, however.

100,000 jobs in 2 months is booming.. what other definition of booming do you have?

Why don't you read the articles, read what I said, maybe do a little research of your own, AND TRY AGAIN. The two numbers you are adding are two different measures of the same month: June. You cannot add them together. Also note, according to one of the articles, Wisconsin is doing the best of all the states in the region. Their lukewarm performance is as good as it gets.

Booming? Bzzzt. Thanks for playing. It's a shakey recovery, but it beats the alternative. Accept it for what it is instead of constantly bleating the Bush party line.

Ok, 62,000 jobs in 1 month is a BOOM.. no if ands or buts about it.. you can use the Clinton 'depends on what your definition of IS is' tactic all you want.. 62,000 jobs and the highest number of total employed people in the state in the HISTORY of the state..

 

The economy isnt booming in the midwest in terms of manufacturing. Its been stagnent here...nothing at all really. The midwest has yet to really feel any sort of rebound.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: FallenHero
The economy isnt booming in the midwest in terms of manufacturing. Its been stagnent here...nothing at all really. The midwest has yet to really feel any sort of rebound.

You can't qualify the economy as being 'manufacturing'.. the economy is the sum of ALL parts of the economy, not just 'manufacturing'.. Thats like saying there is a national health crisis because people over the age of 80 are dying in greater numbers than those aged 6-10.. You need to look at the WHOLE picture.. The midwest is moving away from a manufacturing economy, it has been for some time.. But its growing like crazy in other areas.. And you can't even make the argument that all the jobs are moving to China because there are more jobs now in the state than there EVER has been.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: FallenHero
The economy isnt booming in the midwest in terms of manufacturing. Its been stagnent here...nothing at all really. The midwest has yet to really feel any sort of rebound.

You can't qualify the economy as being 'manufacturing'.. the economy is the sum of ALL parts of the economy, not just 'manufacturing'.. Thats like saying there is a national health crisis because people over the age of 80 are dying in greater numbers than those aged 6-10.. You need to look at the WHOLE picture.. The midwest is moving away from a manufacturing economy, it has been for some time.. But its growing like crazy in other areas.. And you can't even make the argument that all the jobs are moving to China because there are more jobs now in the state than there EVER has been.

But there are also more people in the state, one of the many facts you continue to ignore.

 

[dmcowen674]

there are more jobs now in the state than there EVER has been.

But there are also more people in the state, one of the many facts you continue to ignore.

"But there are also more people in the state, one of the many facts you continue to ignore"

Shhhhhhh, don't ruin it and stop him from posting. It's so funny and hysterical. It's what keeps P&N from being dull, boring and drab, sometimes could even qualify for being re-named the "Funniest Forum on the Internet" thanks to some of these folks. :thumbsup::beer:

 

[XZeroII]

Do any of you actually live in WI? No? Then how can you keep making ignorant comments like this? I'm a software developer in WI and even I found a job within the past 1.5 months (just out of school).

Hey Crimson! I'm in Waukesha. I guess with 100,000 members of AT, your bound to meet someone from your backyard here.