Wisconsin court upholds voter ID law

[Cozarkian]

you wouldn't be pushing for a way to limit voting by others.

I'm pushing for a way to make sure everybody who wants to vote can while implementing a simple and easy protection against a certain type of fraud.

Registration in the first place is a limitation on voting. I suppose we should repeal registration laws?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Not really. According to the courts that strike down the laws, impersonation fraud is very rare, not non-existent. You want a simple example? My neighbor is registered to vote but doesn't any more. I could easily stop by the polling place in the morning to vote for myself and return at night to vote again.



Again, a properly tailored law has zero disenfranchisement. The only potential problem is people who don't have IDs and a proper law solves that problem.



Not my goal. In fact, if you've been paying attention, I'm actually advocating to help people get IDs so they can vote, not trying to prevent them from voting. That's right, I'm trying to help the people you claim I'm trying to disenfranchise. Why aren't liberals trying to help them? Is it because they want to have a perpetually poor class of puppets to vote them into power?

Right. You just want to help. So how will you be proposing helping those people? Will you lobby that the state cover all costs related to getting ID such as time off work, travel costs, costs to acquire the underlying documentation?

Will you be prepared to lobby for increased taxes to cover the operational costs each state would need to incur to have adequate facilities and staffing that are readily accessible to each voter? Bearing in mind those costs will be a long term requirement to maintain IDs for everyone?

Will you be lobbying to ensure that those facilities are in, at a minimum, each county and on public transportation routes to ensure people who don't drive etc... can actually attend?

I'm am honestly curious how far you are prepared to go and how many hundreds of millions a year you think it should cost for this endeavour.

 

[fskimospy]

Not really. According to the courts that strike down the laws, impersonation fraud is very rare, not non-existent. You want a simple example? My neighbor is registered to vote but doesn't any more. I could easily stop by the polling place in the morning to vote for myself and return at night to vote again.

Yes, such a thing could exist. All the evidence shows it doesn't. Now you want to pass a law that stops something that doesn't exist. Interesting how small government conservatives want to do this.

Again, a properly tailored law has zero disenfranchisement. The only potential problem is people who don't have IDs and a proper law solves that problem.

Obviously false.

Not my goal. In fact, if you've been paying attention, I'm actually advocating to help people get IDs so they can vote, not trying to prevent them from voting. That's right, I'm trying to help the people you claim I'm trying to disenfranchise. Why aren't liberals trying to help them? Is it because they want to have a perpetually poor class of puppets to vote them into power?

while it is nice that you want to help people meet your irrational requirements, it doesn't actually make them less irrational, nor does it mean you are doing them a favor.

It is pretty funny that you are trying to argue that though.

 

[werepossum]

Why do you seek to disenfranchise thousands of people for no reason? Beyond those people are smart enough to not vote R.

So you can't, got it. Then you shouldn't vote.

Yes, clearly that is the problem, These people are so smart they are unable to get photo ID. Probably their ginormous brain-filled heads won't even fit through the courtroom door. Sheesh.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm pushing for a way to make sure everybody who wants to vote can while implementing a simple and easy protection against a certain type of fraud.

Registration in the first place is a limitation on voting. I suppose we should repeal registration laws?

A certain type of fraud that hasn't been shown to exist in significant numbers.

Voter fraud is near non-existent. Therefore, we need voter ID because of what, exactly?

Voter registration Helps election personnel determine what resources are needed where & is an integral part of an orderly process. It has other benefits as well, I'm sure.

 

[fskimospy]

The whole argument by conservatives tries to center around how easy ID is to get, not how irrational the requirement is to begin with.

Small government indeed, haha.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes, clearly that is the problem, These people are so smart they are unable to get photo ID. Probably their ginormous brain-filled heads won't even fit through the courtroom door. Sheesh.

And, uhh, so what? Show us the fraud!

If you can't, there's no reason to disenfranchise anybody.

People who don't drive can easily end up w/o valid ID, as can the Elderly, particularly women.

Married 3 times, twice divorced & now a widower? Across 6 states & 40 years? Lose your state ID? Just come up with all the paperwork back to your birth & we'll let you vote like you have for 50 years already.

There have been several well publicized cases that are similar-

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/how-jim-cramer-solved-his-dad-s-voter-id-mess-in-7-hours

I don't really care how few people it is who are in similar circumstances- I care about why we need to inconvenience anybody over what is an imaginary problem.

Given that the given reason for such insistence on voter ID is false, there must be some other reason that Repubs clamor for it so loudly. I'm sure it's not just to belittle people as you've done, above...

 

[Texashiker]

The whole argument by conservatives tries to center around how easy ID is to get, not how irrational the requirement is to begin with.

If the right to buy a firearm can be restricted to having a photo id and background check, then the right to vote can likewise be restricted.

 

[theeedude]

If the right to buy a firearm can be restricted to having a photo id and background check, then the right to vote can likewise be restricted.

States like Texas are going to turn blue. Looks like rightwingers are running scared trying to stop the rain.

 

[her209]

If the right to buy a firearm can be restricted to having a photo id and background check, then the right to vote can likewise be restricted.

If I have the right to buy a firearm and re-sell it, I should have a right to sell my vote too then.

 

[Texashiker]

If I have the right to buy a firearm and re-sell it, I should have a right to sell my vote too then.

Spoken like a true liberal.

Due to your lack of morals and values your vote has already been for sale. You vote for the person who promises you the most stuff.

 

[her209]

Spoken like a true liberal.

Due to your lack of morals and values your vote has already been for sale. You vote for the person who promises you the most stuff.

Nah, I'm just illustrating Texashiker logic.

 

[Texashiker]

Nah, I'm just illustrating Texashiker logic.

My logic, if you want something you have to work for it.

Liberal logic, if you want something, complain until someone gives it to you.

 

[fskimospy]

My logic, if you want something you have to work for it.

Liberal logic, if you want something, complain until someone gives it to you.

He's just mocking you with your own stupid logic. It's pretty funny to watch you know ahead anyway as if everyone wasn't laughing at you.

 

[her209]

My logic, if you want something you have to work for it.

Liberal logic, if you want something, complain until someone gives it to you.

Right, like actively working to suppress voter turnout versus just complaining about people who shouldn't be allowed to vote because of arbitrary reasons, e.g., no federal taxes paid, literacy tests, etc.

Good job!

 

[ivwshane]

My logic, if you want something you have to work for it.

Liberal logic, if you want something, complain until someone gives it to you.

Looks like someone stopped taking their pills again.

 

[glenn1]

The whole argument by conservatives tries to center around how easy ID is to get, not how irrational the requirement is to begin with.

Small government indeed, haha.

At this point I don't care. SCOTUS has previously ruled Voter ID laws as constitutional in Indiana and will uphold them everywhere else too. Welcome to the Roe v. Wade world where judicial fiat dismisses your minority concerns out of hand and you have no recourse. At least you can continue to enjoy your fraud in blue states.

 

[michal1980]

At this point I don't care. SCOTUS has previously ruled Voter ID laws as constitutional in Indiana and will uphold them everywhere else too. Welcome to the Roe v. Wade world where judicial fiat dismisses your minority concerns out of hand and you have no recourse. At least you can continue to enjoy your fraud in blue states.

blue states don't care about fraud, after all the good sheep already vote one way.

 

[WHAMPOM]

My logic, if you want something you have to work for it.

Liberal logic, if you want something, complain until someone gives it to you.

WOW!! You are right, if the Republican Party(whiney asses over nothing real) Platform demands a voter ID the Republican Party should provide all the funds out of their national election coffers for house by house voter registration with picture ID but by a neutral organization, "cause you know how honest they/Republicans are(dump the D registrations in the trash).
Why use tax payer money to fund a non issue for a special interest group?

 

[Paratus]

At this point I don't care. SCOTUS has previously ruled Voter ID laws as constitutional in Indiana and will uphold them everywhere else too. Welcome to the Roe v. Wade world where judicial fiat dismisses your minority concerns out of hand and you have no recourse. At least you can continue to enjoy your fraud in blue states.

Show us meaningful fraud glenn1. You must have a credible link. Convince us as you yourself are convinced this is a huge problem.

 

[fskimospy]

At this point I don't care. SCOTUS has previously ruled Voter ID laws as constitutional in Indiana and will uphold them everywhere else too. Welcome to the Roe v. Wade world where judicial fiat dismisses your minority concerns out of hand and you have no recourse. At least you can continue to enjoy your fraud in blue states.

Who cares about the supreme court? The laws are objectively dumb and irrational regardless of what they say.

It does say a lot about you that you're so enraged by liberals that you are okay with doing dumb and irrational things because you think it will "get" them. It's particularly funny that you claim to be a small government conservative and so you're going against your own ideology to get the mean old liberals.

The last part that I liked was how you're doggedly clinging to claims of fraud even though you know as well as I do that it doesn't exist. Gotta make your own reality to justify your own irrationality, huh.

 

[glenn1]

Show us meaningful fraud glenn1. You must have a credible link. Convince us as you yourself are convinced this is a huge problem.

Don't have to. Like I said your objections don't really matter nor does your disregard for overwhelming polled voter support . SCOTUS has ruled and your side lost, there's really no further discussions needed any more than revisiting Roe v. Wade.

 

[WHAMPOM]

I'm pushing for a way to make sure everybody who wants to vote can while implementing a simple and easy protection against a certain type of fraud.

Registration in the first place is a limitation on voting. I suppose we should repeal registration laws?

Cutting down on early voting, open hours and polling places sure does make it easier to vote.
In person voter fraud isn't even touched by these measures. Mistakes by poll takers is 100X more likely.

 

[Texashiker]

Right, like actively working to suppress voter turnout versus just complaining about people who shouldn't be allowed to vote because of arbitrary reasons, e.g., no federal taxes paid, literacy tests, etc.

Good job!

That is like saying background checks and having to have an id suppress gun ownership.

Having to have a social security number suppresses employment.

Having to show id when using a debit / credit card suppresses use of credit.

There seems to be no problem having an id with anything else in life.

When I went to college the school demanded a copy of my social security card. I guess requiring an id suppresses higher education?

Looks like someone stopped taking their pills again.

My wife makes sure I take my medicine every night.

 

[fskimospy]

Don't have to. Like I said your objections don't really matter nor does your disregard for overwhelming polled voter support . SCOTUS has ruled and your side lost, there's really no further discussions needed any more than revisiting Roe v. Wade.

so you're admitting you can't.

Gotcha.