Umm, it's what the bill does. It allows employees to "volunteer" to work with no days off per week. There's nothing about hours. It simply means that, for example, an employee can volunteer to work his/her present hours over 7 days rather than 5.
Umm, it's what the bill does. It allows employees to "volunteer" to work with no days off per week. There's nothing about hours. It simply means that, for example, an employee can volunteer to work his/her present hours over 7 days rather than 5.
glenn1
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Obviously the work would need to qualify for overtime in my statement (e.g. above 40 hours or whatever the WI law is). Having the law prohibit 7 days weeks in all cases is shortsighted and ham-fisted. For every worker you're saving from working daily 3 hour shifts at odd hours, you're preventing some union guy from cashing in on doubletime when he has the opportunity and may only have periodic work. A good example might be guys like "fracking" oil field workers - they might work 80 hour weeks now and bring in $150k, but might not have a job next week or next month if petroleum prices fall.
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While overtime was mentioned as the reason I don't believe there's anything actually in the law about overtime. If you are eligible you are eligible if you aren't you aren't. Working 7 days in a row doesn't change that.
I've worked almost two weeks straight @ 90+ hours a week once or twice before. I was payed overtime for it at my hourly rate but only because my employer wanted to retain us. I had also prepared for those two weeks for over year and it was what I had trained for so this wasn't exactly a surprise.
For other jobs 7+ days in a row shouldn't be reasonable.
The original law was a nice balance between workers and employers rights. The new law favors employers despite the volunteering for extra overtime rhetoric.
I've worked almost two weeks straight @ 90+ hours a week once or twice before. I was payed overtime for it at my hourly rate but only because my employer wanted to retain us. I had also prepared for those two weeks for over year and it was what I had trained for so this wasn't exactly a surprise.
For other jobs 7+ days in a row shouldn't be reasonable.
The original law was a nice balance between workers and employers rights. The new law favors employers despite the volunteering for extra overtime rhetoric.
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trenchfoot
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It's within the time frame when a person is young, full of vinegar, motivated and eager to establish him/herself as a force to be reckoned with.
Well, on second thought, I'm speaking from personal experience, so other's desires to prove themselves may kick in earlier or later then me.
pcgeek11
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Some people have actually picked a field where they enjoy their work. Sorry if you made a poor choice.
in order to increase the freedom in a society a society must create the conditions in which the ultimate expressions of freedom will manifest. One such ultimate expression should be the right to sell oneself into slavery. Such ultimate freedom therefore is best facilitated by insuring that most people will freely choose that option by insuring they live in abject poverty. Work rules limit such ultimate expressions of personal freedom by the interference of a nanny state, a form of government despised by the brain dead.
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Given the vast majority of business in WI already is exempt from this law. I will ask you what I asked the OP. Is there widespread use of the practice you are so worried about?
xBiffx
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And what is wrong with that? No different than people who squeeze their time into 3 or 4 days per week. Some of those even have a second job to fill the rest of the week.
It is a choice to work, did not know that thought it was a necessity for anyone not born to a Walmart legacy.
pcgeek11
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Yes I am quite familiar. I live in South Carolina a " right to work state ". It works just fine.
pcgeek11
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I assign higher priorities to family, friends and hobbies than work, and I highly enjoy my work. I wake up excited about what I'm going to do every day, but I'd still rather stay in bed with my lady or go hiking/camping/hunting/fishing given a choice. For the record I work around 40 hours a week as a infosec consultant and an additional 10-20 as a builder/landlord. Everybody should have at least a day off a week (I'd say two given current unemployment levels) to develop other areas of their life. There's more to life than work.
Orignal Earl
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Ya..there is something wrong if you enjoy your work life more then your home life
Tombstone1881
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You have to keep in mind that as you get older and the more decades you work, the hours get longer and harder.
I live in a "right to work" state too, and I don't think it's right that you can be fired on a whim. The employer isn't even required to give a reason here.
I live in a "right to work" state too, and I don't think it's right that you can be fired on a whim. The employer isn't even required to give a reason here.
pcgeek11
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Not for me. I'm 60 and do not have an issue with the hours getting longer or harder. Working 12 hour shifts Sat and Sun.
It works both ways. You can also quit on a whim. All of the Quality employers still have an escalation process they are required to step through before they actually let you go.
pcgeek11
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Londo_Jowo
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Texas is a right to work state however, unless you want to be on the hook for unemployment payments you better have your ducks in a row when you fire someone. The employee should be counseled on what they need to do to maintain their job at least twice and both instances should be documented with all involved signing the deficiency/path forward letter that is placed in the employees HR file.
OMG!!!! We have left employers and employees to figure out what scheduling works best instead of letting the government tell them!!!!!
Hide your children! It's the apocalypse!
Hide your children! It's the apocalypse!
brianmanahan
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yeah, i did it when i was consulting for about a year. and my dad did this for like 5 years. i don't see what the big deal is.
Spungo
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I generally enjoy my work. I work overtime when it's available, and I would probably work every day if that's what it took to complete a job.
The main laws I want the government to keep are:
-hours over 40 are overtime
-3 hours is the minimum number of hours paid at a time (sending you home after 20 minutes = pay for 3 hours)
Outside of that, companies should do whatever they want. If you want your employees working 3 hour shifts, 7 days per week, that should be allowed. Most people will quit the job, and the Free Market will fix that problem with either higher wages or better work schedules.
brianmanahan
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nah i hated it, but was trying to get ahead
the experience i gained with all that OT did get me a promotion at another company within 1 year, so i think it was worth it
Yeh, ignore enormous power differentials & much of human history. Bask in the benevolence of Naked Capitalism, right?
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