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Windows Phone 7: Don't bother with this disaster

hmm, that article seemed rather depressing, especially his points about having to scroll and scroll to find anything. I think it is too early to right it off completely, however, and we will have to wait and see how the devices implement the software. Can't say I have high hopes though.
 
If that is true, how does a multi-billion dollar company with so many smart people keep getting it wrong...
 
If the iPhone is the platinum standard, Android is the gold standard, WebOS is the bronze standard, and Symbian and BlackBerry tie for tin. Windows Phone 7 is clay -- a clay pigeon, in fact.

Wow, that article is scathing. A great read, but they sure seem down on the OS. If its actually as bad as they make it sound, thats gotta be it for MS mobile OSes I would think? Surely they can't jump from one turd to another without improvement.
 
RedRooster said:
If the iPhone is the platinum standard, Android is the gold standard, WebOS is the bronze standard, and Symbian and BlackBerry tie for tin. Windows Phone 7 is clay -- a clay pigeon, in fact.

Wow, that article is scathing. A great read, but they sure seem down on the OS. If its actually as bad as they make it sound, thats gotta be it for MS mobile OSes I would think? Surely they can't jump from one turd to another without improvement.
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Yea, if the software is half as big of a dud as he makes it out to be, it is hard to see MS' mobile division regaining any momentum over the next few years.
 
Very harsh article. I can't just take it at its word without seeing more of WP7 myself, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's mostly true. And even if the author was being overly critical, WP7 needs to be more than just okay - it has to be awesome. Sounds like that won't be the case no matter what.
 
Ok - lets look at that article in context.

The author admitted to liking WP7's design when it was announced. He then proceeded to rip it incessantly pretty much for things that were announced in February, not things that he's just finding out about now.

He also states a flat out mistruth - while he's accurate that the beta of the dev tools just came out, he says devs are only now getting a chance to play with the SDK. The first release of the SDK and dev tools was back in March at MIX10.

Despite what he says in his intro, its quite clear that this author did not like WP7 from the start, and probably wouldn't have liked it regardless.

I'll wait until we get actual reviews of the final software running on final hardware.
 
Deeko said:
Ok - lets look at that article in context.

The author admitted to liking WP7's design when it was announced. He then proceeded to rip it incessantly pretty much for things that were announced in February, not things that he's just finding out about now.

He also states a flat out mistruth - while he's accurate that the beta of the dev tools just came out, he says devs are only now getting a chance to play with the SDK. The first release of the SDK and dev tools was back in March at MIX10.

Despite what he says in his intro, its quite clear that this author did not like WP7 from the start, and probably wouldn't have liked it regardless.

I'll wait until we get actual reviews of the final software running on final hardware.
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I'm with you there. Way to much stock is put into "fashion" OSs, without seeing the upcoming competition, IMHO.
 
I think the no multitasking thing is going to kill it. Apple is Apple and they can get away with not having mainstream things in there phones. Microsoft cannot. With the competition out there they are going to fail miserably.
 
boomhower said:
I think the no multitasking thing is going to kill it. Apple is Apple and they can get away with not having mainstream things in there phones. Microsoft cannot. With the competition out there they are going to fail miserably.
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I've thought from the beginning that devs could pull off some Apple-style multitasking in WP7, though. It'd be interesting to pull up the SDK and try...

The tiles on the home page, as far as I know, are data enabled. I wonder - what else are they enabled to do? Could Pandora write a tile that kept playing music when the app was closed? Similar for a GPS application?
 
Deeko said:
Ok - lets look at that article in context.

The author admitted to liking WP7's design when it was announced. He then proceeded to rip it incessantly pretty much for things that were announced in February, not things that he's just finding out about now.

He also states a flat out mistruth - while he's accurate that the beta of the dev tools just came out, he says devs are only now getting a chance to play with the SDK. The first release of the SDK and dev tools was back in March at MIX10.

Despite what he says in his intro, its quite clear that this author did not like WP7 from the start, and probably wouldn't have liked it regardless.

I'll wait until we get actual reviews of the final software running on final hardware.
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I'm all for giving things a fair chance, but if a preview of what they have nearly finished still isn't blowing anyone away, I don't think a last second polish and faster/stable hardware is going to get it over the hurdle of making it a "wanted" OS by consumers.
Who knows, maybe they can glitz it up enough to have people just see a few screens in the store and think they want to lock up to a two year with one of the phones, first impressions are everything I guess.
Just don't show people what this guy saw. 😀
 
RedRooster said:
I'm all for giving things a fair chance, but if a preview of what they have nearly finished still isn't blowing anyone away, I don't think a last second polish and faster/stable hardware is going to get it over the hurdle of making it a "wanted" OS by consumers.
Who knows, maybe they can glitz it up enough to have people just see a few screens in the store and think they want to lock up to a two year with one of the phones, first impressions are everything I guess.
Just don't show people what this guy saw. 😀
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Like I said, though, the content of this article is kinda suspect. He says he liked it when it was first announced...but then all his gripes are things they said back when they first announced/showed the phone. So he liked it then, but all those same things he liked then, he now hates? That doesn't make any sense.

Either he doesn't want to admit his anti-Microsoft bias, he has a very poor memory, or he's mobile-schizo and can't decide what he likes and doesn't like.
 
abaez said:
If that is true, how does a multi-billion dollar company with so many smart people keep getting it wrong...
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Electronics design by committees, accountants and marketers is a bitch.

I realize pretty much everything is designed by a committee in big companies, but it only works when the committees have the same or similar focus, and not when they have different goals and no one to decide who wins--compromise rarely works in this case.
 
I would have liked WP7 if it was an upgrade from WM6, but it's not.

WP7 limits things that you could originally do in WM6 and gives more apps and fancier UI. These limitations were listed a few months back, so I don't know why this article is going over it again now. Maybe to prompt people to buy a new phone now instead of waiting for WP7 phone?

I'd like to see a WM7 that isn't a striped down version of WM6..
 
Wow that article is pretty harsh. If the article is true, then my suspicion of MS not starting development until after the original iPhone in 2007 became successful is also true.

No company survives living one day at a time, they need to innovate and prepare for the future. I felt like MS sat on their WinMo 6.0 without a care in the world.

If WinMo7 isn't a knockout for MS, MS could be looking at nearly a decade of being behind in the mobile space. That would be not good.

abaez said:
If that is true, how does a multi-billion dollar company with so many smart people keep getting it wrong...
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Look at the Kin. Apparently the management in charge of that project were incompetent. If the team behind the device isn't focused and well put together, the device suffers. Its probably all politics within the business anyway.
 
I am not really surprised to see they hadnt tested it with regular users. After all, if they said they didnt like it then Microsoft would have just pissed away 3 years of work and hype.
 
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No multitasking is probably a deal breaker from me after using the Pre (yeah, not a fan of the phone but do like the software). How do people screw this up? Developing a smart phone UI that people like should be fucking easy. I know that's over simplified but it should simply be impossible for a company as large as MS to ever make a cell phone UI that where the consensus is that the UI freaking blows.

I have hope for this OS but must admit the only reason I want it to work is for Zune Pass/Xbox integration. Perhaps they should just blow up the mobile division and start making add-ons if this OS bombs.
 
abaez said:
If that is true, how does a multi-billion dollar company with so many smart people keep getting it wrong...
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Microsoft has a far more corporate culture than Apple or Google. All creativity is lost in in-fighting and bean counting. Microsoft's Kin is a good example of that.
 
Narmer said:
Microsoft has a far more corporate culture than Apple or Google. All creativity is lost in in-fighting and bean counting. Microsoft's Kin is a good example of that.
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You're calling the Kin uncreative? The only thing that doomed it was the price.
 
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