Windows 10 Clean Install question?

[Ketchup]

Frank, it sounds like you're installing another copy of Win7 and then getting that the 2nd copy is not valid. Of course that's going to happen. MS knows you used the Product Key on the original machine. To be honest, it seems like you're making one post after the other here trying to scare people into not installing the Win10 upgrade.

Pretty Much.

 

[Underclocked]

I think it's best to just wait and see without so much "I wonder" in the meantime. I'm not too excited about it either way. Have seen no reason to be excited.

 

[FrankRamiro]

I think it's best to just wait and see without so much "I wonder" in the meantime. I'm not too excited about it either way. Have seen no reason to be excited.

Well today i decided to go back to Win 7 no more testing win10,i thought that we could keep win 10 rtm without going back to win 7,so at the moment Win 7 is working far better then Win 10TP,if i see that win 10 rtm is better then Win7 when time comes then i'll make up my mind.

 

[owensdj]

Here is an article that tells you how to make an ISO to do a fresh install of Windows 10. Microsoft might also provide an ISO anyway on July 29th.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-turn-your-windows-10-upgrade-into-an-iso/

 

[MongGrel]

Took me a bit of fighting installing drivers again for WIN 10 atm, but finally started using it and getting the hang of it.

Yeah, I doubt you'll be able to slap another copy on two machines and get a free upgrade, that key thying.

Seem even the trial one does a pretty clean install, I had to put my drivers for video/audio/media player on again from scratch myself to get the working right here.

 

[MongGrel]

The Cortana thing annoying me, need to get rid of that.

 

[FrankRamiro]

Frank, it sounds like you're installing another copy of Win7 and then getting that the 2nd copy is not valid. Of course that's going to happen. MS knows you used the Product Key on the original machine. To be honest, it seems like you're making one post after the other here trying to scare people into not installing the Win10 upgrade.

Now that i'm thinking about your reply,when you say;

it sounds like you're installing another copy of Win7 and then getting that the 2nd copy is not valid. Of course that's going to happen. MS knows you used the Product Key on the original machine.

But if HHD dies and i get another HDD and install from an win 7 ISO!
why shouldn't i be able to use the key that Magic Jelly extracted from The legit existing key which is valid ,i checked with MS and run MS software ,validate now and result is in the pic bellow

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/genuine




http://postimg.org/image/6m6f70vy5/a6ee01eb/

 

[owensdj]

...But if HHD dies and i get another HDD and install from an win 7 ISO! why shouldn't i be able to use the key that Magic Jelly extracted from The legit existing key which is valid...

Well you can re-install Windows on the same machine using that Product Key. You can't use it to create a 2nd install on the machine or an install on a different machine. You said you "made an Win 7 Iso on another HDD." That's not allowed.

 

[escrow4]

The Cortana thing annoying me, need to get rid of that.

You can't. Search is part of Windows now which I hate. You can sort off shut her up but that is it. The clean install is a mega fail on MS's part. You upgrade THEN clean install. What? Why not just plain clean install Day 1, no upgrades, no fiddling? May as well buy a $100 OEM copy like I did with 8.1. MS still doesn't get clean installs.

 

[MongGrel]

You can't. Search is part of Windows now which I hate. You can sort off shut her up but that is it. The clean install is a mega fail on MS's part. You upgrade THEN clean install. What? Why not just plain clean install Day 1, no upgrades, no fiddling? May as well buy a $100 OEM copy like I did with 8.1. MS still doesn't get clean installs.

Good lord, so they are trying to force a mister paperclip or whatever that used to be down our throats again

 

[WelshBloke]

You can't. Search is part of Windows now which I hate. You can sort off shut her up but that is it. The clean install is a mega fail on MS's part. You upgrade THEN clean install. What? Why not just plain clean install Day 1, no upgrades, no fiddling? May as well buy a $100 OEM copy like I did with 8.1. MS still doesn't get clean installs.

I don't think that you'll have to do an upgrade install, it's just that only the upgrade install is free for a year. Feel free to buy a retail copy if you'd rather.

I agree about the search. I don't really need to be sending lots of personal data to Microsofts servers for them to analyse, I already do that with Google.

 

[Ketchup]

The Cortana thing annoying me, need to get rid of that.

Yeah, Cortana is the first thing I disabled. When I search within the machine, which isn't very often, I always use the search box in a file explorer window.

 

[FrankRamiro]

Well you can re-install Windows on the same machine using that Product Key. You can't use it to create a 2nd install on the machine or an install on a different machine. You said you "made an Win 7 Iso on another HDD." That's not allowed.

so you say if i loose the original HHD that contains Legit copy of Win7,i can't use another HDD and activate Win 7 without buying another licence?,i don't think that's do way things are done,the only way you can't have a free licence key is if you install on a different Motherboard or PC !

 

[HeXen]

I'm just going to buy a family 3 pack and be done with the BS. That way I got one for my gaming rig should I ever decide to use it, one for my wife and one perhaps for my Macbook. Getting tired of OS X or I'll save one for a future system.

You can't. Search is part of Windows now which I hate. You can sort off shut her up but that is it. The clean install is a mega fail on MS's part. You upgrade THEN clean install. What? Why not just plain clean install Day 1, no upgrades, no fiddling? May as well buy a $100 OEM copy like I did with 8.1. MS still doesn't get clean installs.

No they get your $100. So yes I'm sure they get the idea of the clean install thing.

 

[FrankRamiro]

so you say if i loose the original HHD that contains Legit copy of Win7,i can't use another HDD and activate Win 7 without buying another licence?,i don't think that's do way things are done,the only way you can't have a free licence key is if you install on a different Motherboard or PC !

i did a test with Belarc Advisor which is the product key i should use!


Manage all your software licenses...
click for Belarc's System Management products

Software Licenses
Belarc - Advisor 478750f1
Microsoft - Internet Explorer 00359-OEM-8992687-xxxxx
(Key: 4FG99-BC3HD-73CQT-WMF7J-xxxx)e
Microsoft - PowerShell 89383-100-0001260-xxxxx
Microsoft - Windows 7 Home Premium (x64) 00359-OEM-8992687-xxxxx (Key: 4FG99-BC3HD-73CQT-WMF7J-xxxxx)e
APOW-VOQBN-CVVSP-QXRNI-WCXF6-xxxxx

 

[Ketchup]

so you say if i loose the original HHD that contains Legit copy of Win7,i can't use another HDD and activate Win 7 without buying another licence?,i don't think that's do way things are done,the only way you can't have a free licence key is if you install on a different Motherboard or PC !

You don't lose legal Windows with the loss of a hard drive. If you bought Windows, you will have the DVD. If Windows came on the computer, you will use recovery media. If you lose recovery media, you can get it from the manufacturer for a small fee.

If you are worried about losing Windows 10, keep a copy of your Win 10 key. Once Windows 10 is released, all versions will be available for download.

If you don't have a retail copy of Windows, it has to stay on the same motherboard. This has always been the case (with exceptions). Windows 10 is not changing the basic license policies of Windows, based on what I have read so far.

 

[FrankRamiro]

You don't lose legal Windows with the loss of a hard drive. If you bought Windows, you will have the DVD. If Windows came on the computer, you will use recovery media. If you lose recovery media, you can get it from the manufacturer for a small fee.

If you are worried about losing Windows 10, keep a copy of your Win 10 key. Once Windows 10 is released, all versions will be available for download.

If you don't have a retail copy of Windows, it has to stay on the same motherboard. This has always been the case (with exceptions). Windows 10 is not changing the basic license policies of Windows, based on what I have read so far.

Thanks for the Explanation, i also found this on keyfinder extracting key info.
and i guess my HP dv6 PC came with Vista from Factory and whoever owned it made a clean install of Win7 Home Premium and that's the key i found from
the key-finder,i guess i can't upgrade to Win10 since it's gonna ask me for a Product Key and the one i found with Key-finder won't work.

http://pcsupport.about.com/od/productkeysactivation/qt/key-finder-faq.htm

 

[Ketchup]

When I elect for the key, I clicked on one button. That was it. Nothing to enter. So if you are getting the prompt to update to 10, you qualify for the update.

 

[FrankRamiro]

When I elect for the key, I clicked on one button. That was it. Nothing to enter. So if you are getting the prompt to update to 10, you qualify for the update.

You talking about upgrading from 7 to 8 ? you think is gonna be the same process?

 

[owensdj]

so you say if i loose the original HHD that contains Legit copy of Win7,i can't use another HDD and activate Win 7 without buying another licence?,i don't think that's do way things are done,the only way you can't have a free licence key is if you install on a different Motherboard or PC !

That's not what I'm saying. You can replace the hard drive on the original machine and then re-install Windows using the previous Product Key. What you can't do is go around installing more copies of Windows using the same Product Key like it seems like you're doing.

 

[Ketchup]

You talking about upgrading from 7 to 8 ? you think is gonna be the same process?

This was for 7 to 10. I am sure 8 is about the same, but I do not have any versions of 8 that qualify for this update.

 

[FrankRamiro]

That's not what I'm saying. You can replace the hard drive on the original machine and then re-install Windows using the previous Product Key. What you can't do is go around installing more copies of Windows using the same Product Key like it seems like you're doing.

I'm not doing that, i'm taking about taking out the original HDD with Win7 installed and puting another new HDD in the same machine and cleaning installing win7 from an ISO,and putting the key found in the HDD by the Key-finder,i found out that it doesn't always activates,but if i had a purchased new key it would work this way for sure,although i had to change the existing key for the new one.

 

[RampantAndroid]

I'm not doing that, i'm taking about taking out the original HDD with Win7 installed and puting another new HDD in the same machine and cleaning installing win7 from an ISO,and putting the key found in the HDD by the Key-finder,i found out that it doesn't always activates,but if i had a purchased new key it would work this way for sure,although i had to change the existing key for the new one.

It probably doesn't work because it sees the key is already activated, and you need to call. *NEVER* did my call to activate get rejected, btw. I was re-installing XP a lot back in the day...

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I'm wondering about a couple things.

If I clone my Win 7 boot-disk, then upgrade the in-place drive with Windows 10 and I don't want to continue using it on the first of my four household PCs, would the cloned Win 7 boot-disk still be valid?

What, again, are the time constraints of the Microsoft Free Windows 10 offer? I imagine there is a Reserved/Confirmed date in an MS database, a download date, and a user-scheduled install-date or an activation date. What expires, and when?

Or, if you can get a burnable ISO of the "upgrade/install" file, how long before you either need to use it immediately, or forever pay the price for that PC and Win-7/8 license if you ever want to eventually make the change?

 

[Ketchup]

I'm wondering about a couple things.

If I clone my Win 7 boot-disk, then upgrade the in-place drive with Windows 10 and I don't want to continue using it on the first of my four household PCs, would the cloned Win 7 boot-disk still be valid?

Here is how I understand these issues:

Your Windows 7 license will remain unchanged, and will still be supported as it originally was if you choose to re-install it.

What, again, are the time constraints of the Microsoft Free Windows 10 offer? I imagine there is a Reserved/Confirmed date in an MS database, a download date, and a user-scheduled install-date or an activation date. What expires, and when?

The ability to acquire the free copy of 10 expires one year from the Windows 10 release date. Windows 10 has no expiration as far as we know, save the hardware is within its "lifetime" (AFAIR that is the word MS used).

Or, if you can get a burnable ISO of the "upgrade/install" file, how long before you either need to use it immediately, or forever pay the price for that PC and Win-7/8 license if you ever want to eventually make the change?

You will need to get the key by performing the upgrade. After that, ISOs will be available just as they are for Windows 8.1.

I am sorry if I am being redundant. We currently have a lot of Windows 10 threads with the same Q/A going back and forth. Not sure if a mod it going to intervene or not, but if these post seems rehashed, that it the reason.