William Rood, Swift boat skipper: Kerry critics wrong

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conjur

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21239-2004Aug21.html
...Until now, eyewitness evidence supporting Kerry's version had come only from his own crewmen. But yesterday, The Post independently contacted a participant who has not spoken out so far in favor of either camp who remembers coming under enemy fire. "There was a lot of firing going on, and it came from both sides of the river," said Wayne D. Langhofer, who manned a machine gun aboard PCF-43, the boat that was directly behind Kerry's.

Langhofer said he distinctly remembered the "clack, clack, clack" of enemy AK-47s, as well as muzzle flashes from the riverbanks. Langhofer, who now works at a Kansas gunpowder plant, said he was approached several months ago by leaders of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth but declined their requests to speak out against Kerry....
 

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Once again (man, this is getting tiresome :D) the LIARS have been exposed. Come on President Bush! Distance yourself from this garbage and denounce it! Show the country how Presimendential you can be.
 

Pepsei

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Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21239-2004Aug21.html
...Until now, eyewitness evidence supporting Kerry's version had come only from his own crewmen. But yesterday, The Post independently contacted a participant who has not spoken out so far in favor of either camp who remembers coming under enemy fire. "There was a lot of firing going on, and it came from both sides of the river," said Wayne D. Langhofer, who manned a machine gun aboard PCF-43, the boat that was directly behind Kerry's.

Langhofer said he distinctly remembered the "clack, clack, clack" of enemy AK-47s, as well as muzzle flashes from the riverbanks. Langhofer, who now works at a Kansas gunpowder plant, said he was approached several months ago by leaders of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth but declined their requests to speak out against Kerry....

Wow, these just kept coming.... I think the longer the Bush camp drags this swiftboat story out, the more it is going to hurt them.

Just maybe turn Virginia into a swing state. (I mean, we did put a democrat in the governor's chair)
 

Hossenfeffer

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
There are as many 'Versions' of what went down in Viet Nam as there are people that went there,
and days that were spent by individuals in country.
Somewhere between the days of boredom and the minutes of panic under fire is 'Your' truth.


I, for one, went first to Saigon in late '66 where we were getting hit each week by mortar with daily
hits on individual troops in town, along with the standard array of suicide bombings, then I moved to
the Central Highlands with the Armys 1st Cav - and their slightly more hectic two or three times a week early morning mortaring and rocket attacks, mixed in with the nightly probes and sporatic fire fights around the perimiter as 'Chuck' (after you got to know Charlie, he became Chuck) tried to infiltrate
the base to kill soldiers in their tents and blow up the helicopters and support aircraft.
This was of course offset by the individual strikes on the soldiers that went into town and were shot, stabbed, poisoned (acid drinks) and ambushed while in transit. Notice - I haven't even listed the
incidents yet where we actually had contact with enemy troops while on organized operations,
be they be 'Viet Cong' or NVA Regulars, along with their Chinese and Russian Army 'Advisors'.

From there I went to the once a week hits that were the norm for Phu Cat between mid December '66
through mid Feburary '67, and the perimiter snipers, mined runways from overnight incursions,
and exploding POL and munitions reventments that made such a spectacular display.

Then onward to the relative calm, safety, and total boredom of Cam Rahn Bay - which had not
actually been hit (on the Air Force side of the base) until the Rocket attacks from Nha Trang and the
co-ordinated sappers overunning the base hospital with satchel charges in September of '67.

The 'Brownwater Navy' was neck deep in the sh!t on a day to day basis, as was the Army,
Marines, and Air Force - as well as the 'other' Navy, the Carrier Pilots, like McCain.

We lost troops in Laos and Cambodia as well, but were real careful as to paint out the 'exact'
location and time of those 'alledged' happenings.

Were there attrocities commited ? Damn right there were.
Did EVERYONE commit attrocities ? No, but rest assured some did happen.

Was Kerry always right ? Of course not, but is everyone always RIGHT (not counting Limbaugh) ?
He did what he needed to do - sometimes it is better to just react than to think, the 'think' slows
you down and keeps the adreneline from acting quick enough, and the delay gets you dead.

Was he right to protest and make his point when he returned ? I think so, based on what I saw
and went through from my personal observations. I think he was a lot more correct in his
actions than the advisors to President Johnson and President Nixon were in their deceit.

I resent the use of partiotism as a weapon against the citizens of this country, and I blame
the structure of todays GOP leadership for that - they took the meaning on MY Republuican
Party away from me and replaced it with a mean and taunting bunch of self serving buffoons.

So much of Iraq is so different from the 'Nam - and at the same time so simular.

:beer:

Given that there can be vastly different accounts of the same event, I've yet to call anyone a liar on this issue. Precisely because it's such a relatively subjective thing is why I consider it a non-issue and I wish both sides would just get on with things. Actually, I wish they'd bump up Election day a couple months. I'm chomping at the bit to cast my vote for Kerry.

I want to feel proud of being an American. I don't. Bush had his chance and, imho, he failed to deliver. I'm ready to give someone else a shot at it. Kerry is not my ideal candidate, but someone must win.
 

umbrella39

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And the actual article that ran today: I hope you all take the time to read it and see that what these swiftboat LIARS are doing is not only trashing John Kerry, but other war heros like William Rood and Don Droz. Shame on them and anyone who supports them.

John Kerry and the Silver Star: I Was There
William B. Rood was the skipper of one of the three Swift boats that took part in the operation where John Kerry won the Silver Star. Rood has not talked publicly about what happened there for years, but decided to break his silence after seeing the lies being put out by the Republican attack group, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. Here is Rood's report in the Chicago Tribune, where he also works.

Anti-Kerry Vets Not There that Day
By William B. Rood
Chicago Tribune
Saturday 21 August 2004

There were three swift boats on the river that day in Vietnam more than 35 years ago?three officers and 15 crew members. Only two of those officers remain to talk about what happened on February 28, 1969.

One is John Kerry, the Democratic presidential candidate who won a Silver Star for what happened on that date. I am the other.

For years, no one asked about those events. But now they are the focus of skirmishing in a presidential election with a group of swift boat veterans and others contending that Kerry didn't deserve the Silver Star for what he did on that day, or the Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts he was awarded for other actions.

Many of us wanted to put it all behind us?the rivers, the ambushes, the killing. Ever since that time, I have refused all requests for interviews about Kerry's service?even those from reporters at the Chicago Tribune, where I work.

But Kerry's critics, armed with stories I know to be untrue, have charged that the accounts of what happened were overblown. The critics have taken pains to say they're not trying to cast doubts on the merit of what others did, but their version of events has splashed doubt on all of us. It's gotten harder and harder for those of us who were there to listen to accounts we know to be untrue, especially when they come from people who were not there.

Even though Kerry's own crew members have backed him, the attacks have continued, and in recent days Kerry has called me and others who were with him in those days, asking that we go public with our accounts.

I can't pretend those calls had no effect on me, but that is not why I am writing this. What matters most to me is that this is hurting crewmen who are not public figures and who deserved to be honored for what they did. My intent is to tell the story here and to never again talk publicly about it.

I was part of the operation that led to Kerry's Silver Star. I have no firsthand knowledge of the events that resulted in his winning the Purple Hearts or the Bronze Star.

But on Feb. 28, 1969, I was officer in charge of PCF-23, one of three swift boats?including Kerry's PCF-94 and Lt. j.g. Donald Droz's PCF-43?that carried Vietnamese regional and Popular Force troops and a Navy demolition team up the Dong Cung, a narrow tributary of the Bay Hap River, to conduct a sweep in the area.

The approach of the noisy 50-foot aluminum boats, each driven by two huge 12-cylinder diesels and loaded down with six crew members, troops and gear, was no secret.

Ambushes were a virtual certainty, and that day was no exception.

Instructions from Kerry
The difference was that Kerry, who had tactical command of that particular operation, had talked to Droz and me beforehand about not responding the way the boats usually did to an ambush.

We agreed that if we were not crippled by the initial volley and had a clear fix on the location of the ambush, we would turn directly into it, focusing the boats' twin .50-caliber machine guns on the attackers and beaching the boats. We told our crews about the plan.

The Viet Cong in the area had come to expect that the heavily loaded boats would lumber on past an ambush, firing at the entrenched attackers, beaching upstream and putting troops ashore to sweep back down on the ambush site. Often, they were long gone by the time the troops got there.

The first time we took fire?the usual rockets and automatic weapons?Kerry ordered a "turn 90" and the three boats roared in on the ambush. It worked. We routed the ambush, killing three of the attackers. The troops, led by an Army adviser, jumped off the boats and began a sweep, which killed another half dozen VC, wounded or captured others and found weapons, blast masks and other supplies used to stage ambushes.

Meanwhile, Kerry ordered our boat to head upstream with his, leaving Droz's boat at the first site.
It happened again, another ambush. And again, Kerry ordered the turn maneuver, and again it worked. As we headed for the riverbank, I remember seeing a loaded B-40 launcher pointed at the boats. It wasn't fired as two men jumped up from their spider holes.

We called Droz's boat up to assist us, and Kerry, followed by one member of his crew, jumped ashore and chased a VC behind a hooch?a thatched hut?maybe 15 yards inland from the ambush site. Some who were there that day recall the man being wounded as he ran. Neither I nor Jerry Leeds, our boat's leading petty officer with whom I've checked my recollection of all these events, recalls that, which is no surprise. Recollections of those who go through experiences like that frequently differ.

With our troops involved in the sweep of the first ambush site, Richard Lamberson, a member of my crew, and I also went ashore to search the area. I was checking out the inside of the hooch when I heard gunfire nearby.

Not long after that, Kerry returned, reporting that he had killed the man he chased behind the hooch. He also had picked up a loaded B-40 rocket launcher, which we took back to our base in An Thoi after the operation.

John O'Neill, author of a highly critical account of Kerry's Vietnam service, describes the man Kerry chased as a "teenager" in a "loincloth." I have no idea how old the gunner Kerry chased that day was, but both Leeds and I recall that he was a grown man, dressed in the kind of garb the VC usually wore.
The man Kerry chased was not the "lone" attacker at that site, as O'Neill suggests. There were others who fled. There was also firing from the tree line well behind the spider holes and at one point, from the opposite riverbank as well. It was not the work of just one attacker.

Our initial reports of the day's action caused an immediate response from our task force headquarters in Cam Ranh Bay.

Congratulatory message
Known over radio circuits by the call sign "Latch," then-Capt. and now retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffmann, the task force commander, fired off a message congratulating the three swift boats, saying at one point that the tactic of charging the ambushes was a "shining example of completely overwhelming the enemy" and that it "may be the most efficacious method of dealing with small numbers of ambushers."
Hoffmann has become a leading critic of Kerry's and now says that what the boats did on that day demonstrated Kerry's inclination to be impulsive to a fault.

Our decision to use that tactic under the right circumstances was not impulsive but was the result of discussions well beforehand and a mutual agreement of all three boat officers.

It was also well within the aggressive tradition that was embraced by the late Adm. Elmo Zumwalt, then commander of U.S. Naval Forces, Vietnam. Months before that day in February, a fellow boat officer, Michael Bernique, was summoned to Saigon to explain to top Navy commanders why he had made an unauthorized run up the Giang Thanh River, which runs along the Vietnam-Cambodia border. Bernique, who speaks French fluently, had been told by a source in Ha Tien at the mouth of the river that a VC tax collector was operating upstream.

Ignoring the prohibition against it, Bernique and his crew went upstream and routed the VC, pursuing and killing several.

Instead of facing disciplinary action as he had expected, Bernique was given the Silver Star, and Zumwalt ordered other swifts, which had largely patrolled coastal waters, into the rivers.

The decision sent a clear message, underscored repeatedly by Hoffmann's congratulatory messages, that aggressive patrolling was expected and that well-timed, if unconventional, tactics like Bernique's were encouraged.

What we did on Feb. 28, 1969, was well in line with the tone set by our top commanders.
Zumwalt made that clear when he flew down to our base at An Thoi off the southern tip of Vietnam to pin the Silver Star on Kerry and assorted Bronze Stars and commendation medals on the rest of us.

Error in citation
My Bronze Star citation, signed by Zumwalt, praised the charge tactic we used that day, saying the VC were "caught completely off guard."

There's at least one mistake in that citation. It incorrectly identifies the river where the main action occurred, a reminder that such documents were often done in haste and sometimes authored for their signers by staffers. It's a cautionary note for those trying to piece it all together. There's no final authority on something that happened so long ago?not the documents and not even the strained recollections of those of us who were there.

But I know that what some people are saying now is wrong. While they mean to hurt Kerry, what they're saying impugns others who are not in the public eye.

Men like Larry Lee, who was on our bow with an M-60 machine gun as we charged the riverbank, Kenneth Martin, who was in the .50-caliber gun tub atop our boat, and Benjamin Cueva, our engineman, who was at our aft gun mount suppressing the fire from the opposite bank.

Wayne Langhoffer and the other crewmen on Droz's boat went through even worse on April 12, 1969, when they saw Droz killed in a brutal ambush that left PCF-43 an abandoned pile of wreckage on the banks of the Duong Keo River. That was just a few months after the birth of his only child, Tracy.
The survivors of all these events are scattered across the country now.

Jerry Leeds lives in a tiny Kansas town where he built and sold a successful printing business. He owns a beautiful home with a lawn that sweeps to the edge of a small lake, which he also owns. Every year, flights of purple martins return to the stately birdhouses on the tall poles in his back yard.
Cueva, recently retired, has raised three daughters and is beloved by his neighbors for all the years he spent keeping their cars running. Lee is a senior computer programmer in Kentucky, and Lamberson finished a second military career in the Army.

With the debate over that long-ago day in February, they're all living that war another time.

edit for ease of reading :)
 

Gaard

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It's sad, but after all of this, I don't think Runner's opinion on anything covered in this thread has changed.

There was some noob ;) who replied in another thread about this just being an internet forum and his abrasive/argumentative posts were just a form of passing the time. Was that this fool?

Every now and then, one of these guys will admit to just posting obvious wrong/flamebait posts to...
[*] play devil's advocate
[*] get a rise out of others
[*] pass the time

Our friends bugsbunny and xxxxjohngaltxxxx are the first that come to mind having made these admissions. Now, if I'm correct that Runner is the guy who stated that passing the time phrase in the other thread, we can add Runner to the list of posters who don't necessarily believe what they post.
 

umbrella39

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After reading the article by someone who WAS actually there on the river that day commanding one of the 3 SwiftBoats, how can anyone question his heroism?
 

Harvey

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umbrella39 -- Thanks for the link to a great read. :)

May I suggest that you edit your post to include spaces between the paragraphs. It's an important article, and doing so would make it much easier to read.

I hope you don't mind if I post the quote in replies in other threads. Disspelling the malicious allegations by the Not So Swift boat liars is important.

TIA :cool:
 

umbrella39

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No problem :0 There will still be one like RIP who will now call Rood a liar as well as Kerry. What a shame.