Will you help a not-so-n00bish guy build a rig?

RSI

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Alright, I am by no means a newbie to computers or building systems, but I would like everyone's input on putting together a rig. The only reason I bring this up in a thread is because lately my mom has been asking me all kinds of things, "is this computer good? *pointing at computer ad*", etc. She's been looking at systems $900-1550. This is in Québec, Canada.. so Canadian currency.

It will technically be for her, but I am the one that will be likely taking care of it, setting it up, choosing components, etc. So I, obviously, want the best components and things that I would choose for myself. I would go Athlon XP, DDR memory, DVD *MAYBE*, probably not... 17" Optiquest monitor, maybe a 17 or 19" samsung.. minimum 30GB hard drive, has to be either Quantum or Maxtor 7200rpm, sound and speakers are unimportant but must at least exist, modem extremely unimportant, NIC important but I know what i want, dfe-538tx (dlink), keyboard doesn't matter much as long as it works well, mouse will be logitech or MS standard plain wheelmouse maybe optical, hmm what else?

I just need suggestions on the place that would have the best price on all components. I'm not sure if my mom is doing this but she MAY buy it all from one place. You can't get the best price that way, but she has a plan at work where she pays no interest and some special deal thing.. but she has to buy from one place, like a whole system. If she doesn't have to buy from one place, I'd find the best deal on each individual component at different stores, and do it all m'self.

What about video? There's no way in HELL we are going to pay $800 for a video card. hell, $300 is still out of the question. why are video cards so insanely priced these days? Is it because 3dfx died and Matrox/ATI are being pretty quiet? Sup wit dat? Matrox had some good stuff, and ATi too ... why don't they speak up? Anyway... I will go nVidia, cause I want the best bang/buck BUT also GOOD DRIVERS AND SUPPORT. I don't want a single problem, especially with a system for my parents.

It's still not certain if they're buying one or not, but I figured I'd get some advice in advance. What do you guys think? Price me this system :

-300, maybe 350w ATX medium case.
-<Insert the mobo of your choice for the system, I am uninformed here>
-AMD Athlon XP 1600+
-256MB PC133, 256MB DDR, 512MB PC133 or 512MB DDR? Which should be the best pick for the $?
-30 or 40GB quantum/maxtor 7200rpm 8.5ms yaddyaddya ata100 probably
-64MB video card. GeForce2 MX400? GeForce2 GTS? GeForce 3 (unlikely)? Radeon..?
-52x cdrom.. maybe a 16x dvd. no cdwriter, I have one in my comp and that's enough
-one of those Aopen FM56 PCI modem or Diamond Supra Express?
-Basic SBlive PCI and some $50 speakers perhaps
-D-Link DFE-538TX 10/100mbps PCI
-17" Optiquest... preferrably just any monitor that can do 1600x1200 at a good refresh and is crystal clear at 1024x and 1280x.
-Logitech or Microsoft Wheelmouse, maybe Optical
-Good keyboard?

what am i missing... someone please help me out. :D thanks..

-RSI
 

gogeeta13

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Personally, for a mom system, I would pick up a celery 1Ghz and some cheap board. You want to make it as silent as possible, it isnt worth dealing with AMD heat issues
 

RSI

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<< Personally, for a mom system, I would pick up a celery 1Ghz and some cheap board. You want to make it as silent as possible, it isnt worth dealing with AMD heat issues >>

What AMD heat issues?

-RSI <- using his stock 1.3 tbird w/stock fan @ 35c
 

gogeeta13

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Let me make a quick rig for you
cerery 1ghz 60
MSI 815EP PRO LITE 72
512 ram 50 ish
gts-v 65
onboard audio...
spend 60-80 on a dvd or a burner
get a case from a local place, shipping isnt worth it
floppy 9
mouse 1or 2

those were all newegg prices, i know there are a few places in canada that have simular range prices(just in canadian money)
 

Woody419

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First ask you parents why they want a computer and what they plan to do with it. Do they want to play games or just do a little e-mail and Christmas letters.
Matrox cards are great with very stable and mature drivers.
Get a P3 with a Asus board, less heat, less noise.
A solid mid-tower case with a quiet 250w power supply.
Go to Mwave.com to get an idea of prices.
Whatever you decide to get keep thinking stability, stability, stability, stability, stability, stability, stability, stability.
 

RSI

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<< First ask you parents why they want a computer and what they plan to do with it. Do they want to play games or just do a little e-mail and Christmas letters.
Matrox cards are great with very stable and mature drivers.
Get a P3 with a Asus board, less heat, less noise.
A solid mid-tower case with a quiet 250w power supply.
Go to Mwave.com to get an idea of prices.
Whatever you decide to get keep thinking stability, stability, stability, stability, stability, stability, stability, stability.
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Yeah, stability is always #1. WTF would be the point in using ANY system if it's not stable?

Well, I don't want it to be a wussy system, because I may use it as well. So I want it well equipped for me too. ;)

Hmmm, P3/Asus may be interesting, but overpriced for what I'd get.. I don't know. It'd be nice to have P3/Asus just for variety. I agree on another one of your points though, noise is also important as it is probably going to go in my parents' room, and I doubt they will want a jet engine sounding thing in there.

I think i'll just go with a Tbird XP solution but I need to know what the best choice of mobo would be...

-RSI
 

Atlantean

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Why not get an nforce mobo? If you don't want that, get an ati video card, they are afterall made in canada (I think). Probably just go with a cd drive, cause I doubt your mom will need a dvd drive in her computer. Take a look at seagate hdd's they are good reliable drives.
 

Woody419

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<< [I think i'll just go with a Tbird XP solution but I need to know what the best choice of mobo would be... >>


One that a Alpha 8045 with Papst fan will fit on, that will keep the noise down.
I have read that the boards with the AMD chipset are very stable.
I use Abit boards. I believe a board that overclocks great is better engineered will be more stable at the default settings.
 

RSI

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<<

<< I think i'll just go with a Tbird XP solution but I need to know what the best choice of mobo would be... >>



Like I said, stay away from ECS this time. Get a Gigabyte GA-7DX, it's a fairly cheap board of very good quality, and it works flawlessly!
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Really? My ECS mobo works flawlessly too... now that I use an AGP video card instead of a PCI one. ;) I don't know about Gigabyte boards... My friend had one and hated it.

<< Why not get an nforce mobo? If you don't want that, get an ati video card, they are afterall made in canada (I think). Probably just go with a cd drive, cause I doubt your mom will need a dvd drive in her computer. Take a look at seagate hdd's they are good reliable drives. >>

I don't know about nfart mobos.. what are they like? Matrox is good.. what could I get by them for a good price? As for seagate.. all I can say is blech blech blech. Like I said, Quantum/Maxtor please.

-RSI

 

Rellik

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Ok, here is the christmas special, just for RSI(and his parents) :)

Case: Antec SX 1030

PS: Some SILENT one, like modded 300 enermax or pcpower and cooling

Mobo: Epox 8kh+ (the KT266A one)

RAM: 384MB should suffice. Go with crucial or infinion

CPU: AMD Duron 1Ghz (you can always upgrade later)

HSF: Something silent, no more then 3500 prm and rated under 30dbA

Vid: Ati Radeon 64DDR VIVO (now 7200) cheap and still powerful, great 2D and DVD playback

Sound: pci card from Herc (Muse XL)

HDD: Seagate barracuda IV 40 gig. cheap, silent fast.

DVD: Pioneer IDE slot loading. (for the "wow" effect...yes ma, it cleans the disk everytime u put it in)

mouse: logitech optical

keyboard: keytronic,ibm or logitech (maybe a wireless set that is NOT optical)

don´t save pennies on the mouse and keyboard. U use them every time and a cheap mouse/keyboard is always giving you that cheap system feel.

Monitor: Samsung syncmaster 750p- Best 17 incher around. Your eyes will thank you....

 

RSI

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<< whats wrong with seagate? >>

They suck the donkey! Nah, jk of course... cause I once bought a Seagate and did not like it. It was slow, and it had problems later too. I've had my quantum for two years now and it's been awesome since day 1. I love it, it's very fast and I've never had a single problem. How does that Seagate drive compare to Maxtor's 40GB 7200rpm drive?

Thanks for all the input, guys. Where can I find all this stuff?

-RSI
 

InVitro

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Gigabyte is evil, I bought a Gigabyte motherboard.. it was a piece! Computer kept crashing, stuff was hanging.. stay away from Gigabyte, no matter how good the price is!!! Its just not worth the problems.
 

Atlantean

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For canadian stores, you could try www.canadacomputers.com, www.atic.ca, www.ncix.com. They are all canadian companies, although the last two are in vancouver, so not sure about shipping costs. Oh and as for the seagate hdd's, I have one of the barracuda IV's in my system, and I have had no problems whatsoever with it, it is fast and it is silent. YOu could check out reviews at www.neoseeker.com, it has links to reviews for almost every piece of hardware available.
 

Atlantean

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Oh and if you need any other computer stores in canada, pm me cause I have a list somewhere of like 15 of them. Although you probably know what most of them are.
 

ST4RCUTTER

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There is no reason why you can't get the power of an XP based system because of "stability" or "heat" issues.

There are no stability or heat issues.

Here is a setup that should run flawlessly.

AMD XP 1700+ W/retail HSF.....$168
EPOX 8KHA+ KT266A................$105
256MB Crucial PC2100..............$61
ASUS V7100 GF2MX 64MB.........$97
Maxtor 40GB HDD......................$87
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Total: $518


The retail HSF is quiet. Period. I've got one running in my livingroom with an XP 1500+. The EPOX boards have been fast and stable since the 8KTA2 days, and the 8KHA+ continues in that tradition. Crucial has a name as good as gold, and ASUS is known for their product support and quality. Maxtor drives have some of the lowest failure rates I've ever seen...especially when compared to IBM's GXP75 series.

Aight, I'm done.
 

RSI

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<< There is no reason why you can't get the power of an XP based system because of "stability" or "heat" issues.

There are no stability or heat issues.

Here is a setup that should run flawlessly.

AMD XP 1700+ W/retail HSF.....$168
EPOX 8KHA+ KT266A................$105
256MB Crucial PC2100..............$61
ASUS V7100 GF2MX 64MB.........$97
Maxtor 40GB HDD......................$87
--------------------------------------------
Total: $518


The retail HSF is quiet. Period. I've got one running in my livingroom with an XP 1500+. The EPOX boards have been fast and stable since the 8KTA2 days, and the 8KHA+ continues in that tradition. Crucial has a name as good as gold, and ASUS is known for their product support and quality. Maxtor drives have some of the lowest failure rates I've ever seen...especially when compared to IBM's GXP75 series.

Aight, I'm done.
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Total $500USD is it not? And that is just the BASE of the computer. We need a case, power supply, keyboard and mouse, cdrom drive, floppy drive, sound card, network card, monitor!, etc..

-RSI
 

scoobydooby

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RSI, I don't see why you're getting your mom a 1600+. Unless she happens to be a gamer(!) she most likely won't notice any difference between an 800 mhz cpu and a 1.4 ghz. Also is your mom really going to use up a 30 gig hdd? I guess a geforce2 isn't such a bad choice since they're only like ~$65 but you could prolly save a little bit of money and find something cheaper. Just my opinion.
Scoob
 

jcmkk

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You should see the rig that I built for my grandma. Check my RIG profile and look at the Ultimate Fragger 1700+. She's complaining becuase it is too slow in RTCW, J/K.
 

MrHelpful

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Hey RSI, I haven't talked to you for a long time... :)

Athlon XP 1700+ Retail - $282
ECS K7S5A - $102
256MB PC2100 - $82
Maxtor 80GB 7200RPM - $308
Afreey 8X DVD-ROM - $55
1.44MB FDD - $10
Inno3D GeForce2 MX-200 64MB - $77
Logitech Internet Keyboard - $18
Logitech Wheel Mouse OEM - $12
Samsung 753DF - $238
300W MidTower - $39
MidiLand MLi-460 - $34

Logitech Quickcam Express - $36
Agfa SnapScan 1212u USB - $45

Total - $1353

Doesn't have a modem, but you can sub out the scanner and web cam. Yeah, this is CAD.
 

MrHelpful

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<< Monitor: Samsung syncmaster 750p- Best 17 incher around. Your eyes will thank you... >>


Sorry, but the Samsung 700NF takes that crown.
 

oldfart

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What about something like this?

eMachine Specifications:
Processor: Intel® Celeron 900 MHz (w/128KB)
Chipset: Intel® 810 Chipset, 100MHz FSB
Memory: 128 MB SDRAM
Drives:
20 GB HDD
48x Max. CD-ROM Drive
3.5" 1.44MB FDD
Video: Intel® DirectAGP 3D (810 Shared)
Audio: AC '97 Audio
Modem: 56K ITU V.90 Fax/Modem

I/F:
2 USB ports (1 is on front bezel)
1 Serial / 1 Parallel / 1 Midi-Game
2 PS/2, Audio In & Out, Microphone In
Stereo Speakers
104-key Standard Keyboard

Software:
Microsoft® Windows® XP
Microsoft® Works 2000, Money 2000, Encarta® Online
Adobe® Acrobat® Reader
Media Player
Internet Explorer
AOL® 6.0
CompuServe® 2000

CRT: 17-inch, 0.27 mm dot pitch, Flat Square Tube, Invar? shadow mask, Double Focus Gun, Glare
Viewable Area (Max.): 330 x 250 mm (16.1 inch diagonal)

Lexmark Z23 Features:
1200 x 1200 dpi (black and color)

Dont know if there is a deal like this in Canada, but for $400 (after rebates), a complete PC with a 17" monitor, OS, and a printer is hard to beat. Really, for the average casual user, a PC like this would do fine.


 

teriba

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I just built this and it has been running amazingly for a month or so now. I am Canadian and these were all bought from Canadian shops.

AMD Athlon XP 1600+
Shuttle AK31 v3.1 (KT266A)
256MB PC2100 DDR
ATI Radeon 64MB DDR VIVO
Seagate Barracuda ATAIV 7200rpm 40GB
LG 16x/10x/40x CD-RW
Lite-On 16x/10x DVD-ROM
Microsoft Natural Pro Keyboard
Microsoft Wireless Intellimouse Explorer
Antec SX-1030B
Windows XP Home oem

Memory Express (http://www.memoryexpress.net)
GBComp (http://www.gbcomp.com) - in Quebec!
Microserve (http://www.techwarehouse.com)
Silicon Solutions (http://www.siliconsolutions.bc.ca)
 

BigNeko

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RSI,
Got most of my stuff from newegg, thanks to all the good recs found here. Had no problems, but ordered everything in three shipments. If you put all the stuff on one order, shipping will be cheaper. Yea, I know it sounds like basic stuff, but I forgot and paid extra for it.
Processor- If you got the bucks, the XP1600 seems the best deal (what I got :) otherwise the regular Tbird 1GHz is less than Duron 1GHz.
Mboard- ECS K7S5a is still the big $57, but lotsa questions about quality, AK31 seems better @ $80 (also what I got :)
Enlight 7237 still $47 - shipping will raise the price, but I am happy with this case
Skip the DVD and CDRW unless you or your Mom need it.
Maxtor 40GB (J2) 7200 for under a hundred. But if you order all the other stuff from newegg, get the 60GB (J3) for $117.00
My three cents.