Will you being going to church on Sunday?

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ryan256

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Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: exdeath
Easter was/is a scam to seduce little kids into religious indoctrination.

LOL, that is the most ignorant statement I've heard on ATOT today! Do you mean the commercialization of the Easter Bunny and eggs? Or the 2000 year old celebration of the ressurection of Jesus?

Don't feed the trolls. ;)
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: ryan256
Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: exdeath
Easter was/is a scam to seduce little kids into religious indoctrination.

LOL, that is the most ignorant statement I've heard on ATOT today! Do you mean the commercialization of the Easter Bunny and eggs? Or the 2000 year old celebration of the ressurection of Jesus?

Don't feed the trolls. ;)

Feed the trolls? He IS a troll. The celebration of Easter predates Christianity.
 

JackBurton

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Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: exdeath
Easter was/is a scam to seduce little kids into religious indoctrination.

LOL, that is the most ignorant statement I've heard on ATOT today! Do you mean the commercialization of the Easter Bunny and eggs? Or the 2000 year old celebration of the ressurection of Jesus?
I like to think of it as a celebration of when Jesus flew into space.
 

Beller0ph1

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Yes and Yes. I'm Catholic and go to the Easter Vigil on Holy Saturday. It "counts" for our obligation, but I'm still going on Sunday. It is the most awesome Mass of the entire year. Full of spirituality, symbolism, and ritual.
 

Rob9874

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: ryan256
Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: exdeath
Easter was/is a scam to seduce little kids into religious indoctrination.

LOL, that is the most ignorant statement I've heard on ATOT today! Do you mean the commercialization of the Easter Bunny and eggs? Or the 2000 year old celebration of the ressurection of Jesus?

Don't feed the trolls. ;)

Feed the trolls? He IS a troll. The celebration of Easter predates Christianity.

It does? Link please. Even if it's true, it's still not a scam to seduce little kids into religious indoctrination.

 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: exdeath
Easter was/is a scam to seduce little kids into religious indoctrination.

LOL, that is the most ignorant statement I've heard on ATOT today! Do you mean the commercialization of the Easter Bunny and eggs? Or the 2000 year old celebration of the ressurection of Jesus?

The whole Easter Bunny thing, of course!

Religion is a business. Just ask the preachers giving sermons on not worshipping the golden calf who have their Mercedes parked outside in the faculty parking space. The front row of every larger than life church I drive past is always filled with top of the line BMWs, Mercedes, Lexus, etc, and these are the same people telling a family of five living on $20,000 a year that they have to give 20% or their income to God. Whatever.

Don't get me wrong, I know there are smaller honest churches with good sincere people that are all about the community, and helping one another and all that, but those are not what I'm calling out.
 

MrDudeMan

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: ryan256
Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: exdeath
Easter was/is a scam to seduce little kids into religious indoctrination.

LOL, that is the most ignorant statement I've heard on ATOT today! Do you mean the commercialization of the Easter Bunny and eggs? Or the 2000 year old celebration of the ressurection of Jesus?

Don't feed the trolls. ;)

Feed the trolls? He IS a troll. The celebration of Easter predates Christianity.

woah, what?
 

Kadarin

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Nov 23, 2001
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Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: ryan256
Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: exdeath
Easter was/is a scam to seduce little kids into religious indoctrination.

LOL, that is the most ignorant statement I've heard on ATOT today! Do you mean the commercialization of the Easter Bunny and eggs? Or the 2000 year old celebration of the ressurection of Jesus?

Don't feed the trolls. ;)

Feed the trolls? He IS a troll. The celebration of Easter predates Christianity.

It does? Link please. Even if it's true, it's still not a scam to seduce little kids into religious indoctrination.

Wikipedia link

Particularly of interest here is:

Bede's Historia ecclesiastica gentis Anglorum ("Ecclesiastic History of the English People") contains a letter from Pope Gregory I to Saint Mellitus, who was then on his way to England to conduct missionary work among the heathen Anglo-Saxons. The Pope suggests that converting heathens is easier if they are allowed to retain the outward forms of their traditional pagan practices and traditions, while recasting those traditions spiritually towards Christianity instead of to their indigenous gods (whom the Pope refers to as "devils"), "to the end that, whilst some gratifications are outwardly permitted them, they may the more easily consent to the inward consolations of the grace of God." The Pope sanctioned such conversion tactics as biblically acceptable, pointing out that God did much the same thing with the ancient Israelites and their pagan sacrifices. If his statement on the origin of the name "Easter" is accurate, this practice might explain the incorporation of Eostre traditions into the Christian holiday.

However, the giving of eggs at spring festivals was not restricted to Germanic peoples and could be found among the Persians, Romans, Jews and the Armenians. They were a widespread symbol of rebirth and resurrection and thus might have been adopted from any number of sources.



 

angminas

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I'm experienced enough by now with ATOT and the web in general not to read this entire thread. This reply is to those who care about what God says and wants. Atheists, trolls, humanists, deists, etc- I'm not talking to you.

The Sabbath is the 7th day. God spoke the Ten Commandments with his own voice to the entire assembly of Israel from the top of Mt. Sinai. It's going to take a lot more than some poor interpretation and half-logical gymnastics to change the word of God. If anyone wants to honestly debate the issue from the Bible, or hear what the Bible actually says, let me know.

If nothing else, consider this- the Bible explicitly says what day the Sabbath is, and it says many times to observe it. The Bible says to observe Saturday (Luke 4:16, Exodus 20:8-11). Where does it say to observe Sunday? NOWHERE. Not one single time. Why do people do it? To be brief, sun worship and incorporating pagan customs into what was at that point no longer what Jesus taught anyway, but (and this is an important point) which was still called by his name. Why is that wrong? Deuteronomy 12 is one of the clearest chapters on the subject, though there are many others.

Jesus read, taught, and quoted from the scriptures (Matthew 4). A Christian is one who imitates Christ and his teachings (1John2:6). Therefore, faced with an important question on doctrine, a Christian will not rely on their own judgment or opinions, but diligently search the scriptures to see what God actually says (Acts 17:11). Incorporating pagan rituals into the worship of God is an ABOMINATION (Deuteronomy 12:29-32). Don't believe me, believe God. It's in there, if you want it. There are usually several or many quotes I could list for each one I have put here- none of this is taking single verses out of context, though I am being extremely brief.

To me, the Sabbath issue is one of the best proofs of the existence of Satan, because the Bible is absolutely crystal clear on the subject. But Satan deceives the whole world (Revelation 12:9), which is the only way people could honestly read the Bible in an attempt to obey God and still observe Sunday and not Saturday.

There are answers to all of the vague little "no more Sabbath" passages people twist in an attempt to change their meaning, if anyone wants to understand God rather than justify their own opinions. I'm sure people will respond to this by saying what they think God means, and what customs have changed, and how the church fathers adapted this and that, and how I'm a loser for reading an old book that (so they say) might have been written by man instead of a new book that definitely was written by man, but none of that interests me.

The Bible says observing Saturday as the Sabbath is right. It says observing Sunday as the Sabbath is wrong. Read it for yourself.

?5? ?Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, ?Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?? 6? He answered and said to them, ?Well did Isaiah prophesy of you ??hypocrites, as it is written:

???This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
7 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.? (Matthew 7:6-7)
 

Ameesh

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Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
Originally posted by: LolaWiz
I will be going to church on sunday with my grandma and two great aunts.
I normally do not go to church anymore but they cannot drive so i offered to take them. It makes me sad to be in church beacause of the crap the preist spews... always asking for more money or talking about we should fear God... It truly annoys me and that is why i stopped going to church.
When i go there, i want to feel uplifted, happy and loved, not scared because my spiteful God wants to reign terror upon his own children.

what kind of church preaches to fear God?

Well if you don't do what God commands you are going to burn in hell for eternity.
I'd be scared too.

If that's the religion that you are aware of, definitely not the same as mine. And if it is, it's a really fvcked up interpretation of it.

I'm Catholic.

please :roll: catholics invented guilt and sin
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: angminas
Incorporating pagan rituals into the worship of God is an ABOMINATION (Deuteronomy 12:29-32).

On one hand, I think fundamentalism is bad, because it often leaves little room for flexibilty, reason, and common sense. On the other hand, I agree with you on this, in that I feel that grafting Christian meaning onto existing pagan holidays (Easter, Christmas) debases and corrupts both traditions.
 

Xyclone

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We go late at night on Saturday, and the Easter service finishes early around 1-2 AM on Sunday. We don't usually go to church, though.
 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Why would anyone go to church on Sunday? Looking to go to hell? The sabbath is Saturday.

Isn't observing the sabbath one of the big ones?
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: LolaWiz
I will be going to church on sunday with my grandma and two great aunts.
I normally do not go to church anymore but they cannot drive so i offered to take them. It makes me sad to be in church beacause of the crap the preist spews... always asking for more money or talking about we should fear God... It truly annoys me and that is why i stopped going to church.
When i go there, i want to feel uplifted, happy and loved, not scared because my spiteful God wants to reign terror upon his own children.

Seriously you should try a new Church then. There are plenty of the kind you are looking for in the Detroit area.
 

BoomerD

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I'd be concerned that the place would collapse, and I'd be stuck with the guilt of killing all those "innocent people"...just because "Gawd" wanted to smite this sinner...
 

angminas

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Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Isn't observing the sabbath one of the big ones?

Yup. It's one of the Ten Commandments, spoken by the voice of God Himself. It's listed ahead of "You shall not kill", which is considered one of the biggest by many people. It's also called the test commandment, since God said by it he would know if his people would walk in his law or no. In more than one place, if memory serves. For one, when he started giving the Israelites manna. (Exodus 16:4- for those who think there was no Law before Mt. Sinai, note that this verse comes BEFORE the Ten Commandments were given.) It most certainly was not abolished in the NT- Jesus Himself was absolutely clear about that (Matthew 5:17-19).

People are prideful, forgetful, and self-righteous. If we don't take a day off specifically to connect with God, we will very quickly forget Him. It's human nature. Besides which, we weren't designed to be vroom-vroom 24-7. Just ask anybody in health care. Or your pharmacist. Or a trucker.

Though I don't agree with the line about going to hell, in a number of different ways.