Will there be an uproar when Obamacare is repealed?

[Staples]

We talk a lot about the odds of it being repealed (which are high) but I often wonder if there will even be an uproar, especially among republican voters. I am sure there are at lease a few hundred thousand republican voters who reap the benefits of this program and without it, they probably wouldn't be able to afford health insurance.

The republican voters who you'd are at high odds of complaining are the ones benefiting from the program however, these people are already voting against their own interests so this does not inspire much confidence that they think about things rationally this time.

 

[brycejones]

We talk a lot about the odds of it being repealed (which are high) but I often wonder if there will even be an uproar, especially among republican voters. I am sure there are at lease a few hundred thousand republican voters who reap the benefits of this program and without it, they probably wouldn't be able to afford health insurance.

The republican voters who you'd are at high odds of complaining are the ones benefiting from the program however, these people are already voting against their own interests so this does not inspire much confidence that they think about things rationally this time.

Any uproar will come much later when 20M people lose their coverage or they find their costs actually going or coverage declining significantly.

 

[Homerboy]

It all depends on what it is replaced with. Since there has been no hints or indication of what that is, it's impossible to say how people are going to react.
Maybe it's replaced with something kick-ass? We don't know until the GOP lays it on the table. They have been shielding it from us though this entire time, so I'm a little worried.

 

[MrSquished]

Any uproar will come much later when 20M people lose their coverage or they find their costs actually going or coverage declining significantly.

I've been hearing 20 million for what has to be close to 2 years now. I heard or read a news report the other day, I forget where, that said 30 million Obamacare users at this point. I wonder what the real numbers are.

 

[Sonikku]

It all depends on what it is replaced with. Since there has been no hints or indication of what that is, it's impossible to say how people are going to react.
Maybe it's replaced with something kick-ass? We don't know until the GOP lays it on the table. They have been shielding it from us though this entire time, so I'm a little worried.

They're just waiting until Trump does something truly outrageous so they can ram it through while everyone's distracted.

 

[First]

Short answer is it's not going to be adequately replaced, if it's replaced at all. Repeal still isn't in the bag either because Trump is unpredictable. But assuming repeal happens, which is a decent chance, R's are likely to replace it with something entirely unacceptable to most people (far less people covered, "cheaper" plans that don't actually cover health services, etc.). If Trump sticks to his word (I'd call that a 50-50 proposition at best), then the replace portion will be so slapdash that an inadequate R replacement plan would pass and, frankly, lots of disaster would ensue.

Of course, the real outside shot I wonder about is if Trump and R's go full retard and just adopt all the progressive tenets of ACA (like community rating, subsidies & state-based insurance markets + minimum standards) but call it "Trumpcare" and pretend it was their idea. A very real possibility only because of Trump himself. Of course, R's are likely to bust the budget in that scenario because they'll repeal all its tax funding, as I think tax cuts are still sacrosanct to them even when they're monstrously irresponsible.

Sort of a double whammy of stupid, but again, something entirely predictable ahead of time, even if Trump himself is not.

 

[brycejones]

I've been hearing 20 million for what has to be close to 2 years now. I heard or read a news report the other day, I forget where, that said 30 million Obamacare users at this point. I wonder what the real numbers are.

The real number is 12, but the obama administration has been hiding the truth.

 

[jman19]

There will certainly be a bit of a shock for poor red-staters when ACA, Medicare, and Medicaid are gutted.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Whatever makes healthcare affordable I'm for. For many people right now it's currently not.

 

[Muse]

The people who voted most heavily for Trump are the ones who have benefited from ACA. They are oxymoronic.

What T is going to do, he says, he's going to "unveil" shortly. I figure it will be very insurance company friendly, quite ungainly and ineffective for a wide range of the populace. It will be replaced a few years down the line by another system. That too will likely be replaced by another. By that time, a lot of things will have changed. What we have now will be ancient history.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Of course the people that support Obamacare will piss, moan, cry and roar after it's repealed. Everyone else will be happy.

 

[brycejones]

Of course the people that support Obamacare will piss, moan, cry and roar after it's repealed. Everyone else will be happy.

Cause we're going to get the best healthcare! We're going to get so much healthcare we're going to be tired of it!

 

[Bitek]

Of course the people that support Obamacare will piss, moan, cry and roar after it's repealed. Everyone else will be happy.

And it's this type of fact or consequence free thinking of the base that will run the GOP into a corner.

Full repeal cannot happen without D votes.
Replace cannot happen without D votes.

Only thing they have votes for is blowing up the insurance market.
Even that is shaky.

Reality does not depend on your acknowledgement of it.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I've been hearing 20 million for what has to be close to 2 years now. I heard or read a news report the other day, I forget where, that said 30 million Obamacare users at this point. I wonder what the real numbers are.

I think the breakdown that I heard was 20 million added (many with the help of subsidies) and 10-20(?) million helped by no exemptions for existing conditions.
I'm speculating but I heard that on the radio.

I do find it hilarious that when R's knew a repeal wouldn't be signed they'd hump out dozens of bills to do it. Now that they can actually get a repeal passed & arguably signed they can't do it.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

And it's this type of fact or consequence free thinking of the base that will run the GOP into a corner.

Full repeal cannot happen without D votes.
Replace cannot happen without D votes.

Only thing they have votes for is blowing up the insurance market.
Even that is shaky.

Reality does not depend on your acknowledgement of it.

What did we have before Obamacare?

 

[ElFenix]

how many threads do we need on obamacare repeal?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

how many threads do we need on obamacare repeal?

One for every butthurt liberal/progressive posting in P&N.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

What did we have before Obamacare?

Consumers getting fucked in many States.
I live in MA so it hasn't applied to me but before RomneyCare I saw on my fortune 50 employers terms that I had a lifetime coverage limit of 500k.
That's a big number but if you're not that old and have a chronic condition that money can be used up with just regular Dr visits and lab work over a couple of decades.
I also loved the condition that you could be dropped at any moment and be put on some silly 80/20 plan where you paid all expenses 80%.

 

[IronWing]

If the ACA is repealed w/o replacement, the insurance industry will scream. All that government money will no longer be flowing their way. If the Reps don't replace it, at some point in the future the Dems will. And, hopefully, next time they'll cut the insurance industry for dead.

 

[Staples]

If the ACA is repealed w/o replacement, the insurance industry will scream. All that government money will no longer be flowing their way. If the Reps don't replace it, at some point in the future the Dems will. And, hopefully, next time they'll cut the insurance industry for dead.

While it is true that revenue is probably way up for insurers because of the government's involvement, their cost has gone way up because of restrictions of dropping clients when they become ill. So I am not so sure insurers will complain too much if it goes.

What we truly need as a measure to lower costs is "death panels." But we know how this went last time Obama tried to introduce this topic.

 

[Ns1]

I just want to know what's going to happen to people with pre-existing conditions.

 

[ivwshane]

What did we have before Obamacare?

How old are you? The ACA was only passed 7 years ago, was that too long ago for you?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

While it is true that revenue is probably way up for insurers because of the government's involvement, their cost has gone way up because of restrictions of dropping clients when they become ill. So I am not so sure insurers will complain too much if it goes.

What we truly need as a measure to lower costs is "death panels." But we know how this went last time Obama tried to introduce this topic.

Proof of mentioned death panels by Obama please.....Proof means proof from Obama, not proof from some blog or a Sarah Palin speech.
Years ago I did see a show on healthcare, I forgot which two Countries I think it was Taiwan and Denmark. They both had pretty strict health systems that essentially didn't spend much on the very ill, very old or very young who weren't likely to have good outcomes. Strange thing was that both places scored very high on overall satisfaction from patients. Even from the very old and very sick, Parent of the very young and not likely to have a good outcome and the very ill.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Did TH ever find a job or did he finally get on Obamacare to only lose it due to his vote?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

How old are you? The ACA was only passed 7 years ago, was that too long ago for you?

I'm old enough to know that the majority of people were happy with their healthcare and didn't want Obamacare to pass. The Democrats and Obama forced it though with no support from Republicans. President-elect Trump and Republicans have been trying to get rid of it for years, they won, elections have consequences.