Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: techs
Wow. As much as people hate George Bush for what he has done as President, the Anti-Clinton crowd makes them look like sissies!.
Have you ever, ever seen such hatred, lies, innuendo against someone who has only been a short term Senator?
In fact, the only Democrat I can think of who was so hated, villified and smeared by the Republicans was Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
Please get help. It's absolutely fascinating to me that some of the very same people who were so critical of the blind, irrational support of the Bush faithful are equally and oppositely delusional in their support of Hillary Clinton. Wake up and spell the donkey shit for crying out loud. H.Clinton isn't the worst person who's ever run for President, but she is certainly a mediocre candidate. More importantly, she is the epitome of the partisan D.C. insider, the exact thing so many of you railed against for the last few years, and she is the one Democratic candidate most likely to lose in November.
You see this clearly -- "the only Democrat I can think of who was so hated, villified and smeared" -- yet your cognitive dissonance refuses to acknowledge the implications, even as your nose is rubbed in it dozens of times per day. You rationalize that it is "the Republicans" who oppose Clinton, even though anyone who is at all objective can see her opposition cuts across party and ideological boundaries. Yes, lots of Republicans loathe her, but so do many independents and a fair number of Democrats. She is divisive. She is polarizing. She is in too many ways GWB's doppelganger. That's not what America needs.
I'll certainly grant you Clinton is far more intelligent and capable than Bush. (Who isn't?) That's not enough in my book. The Dems have an exceptional opportunity to raise the bar this year. They have fielded several smart and capable candidates this year; Clinton is the only one that carries so much negative baggage. Unfortunately, there are too many like you who want to pay back the Republicans with the same bitter, small-minded partisanship that has ruled D.C. of late. You are turning your back on great candidates who could really pull America up just so you can stick one to the right. It's sad, it's destructive, and it very likely will result in you getting your asses kicked once again come November.
With that said, I don't suggest anybody base their vote on who they think can win. If you truly feel H.Clinton is the best candidate, then vote you conscience and let the chips fall where they may. If the Republicans nominate an equally deficient candidate, maybe we can finally raise serious interest in third parties. None of them have a chance of winning in 2008, of course, but if we can start changing the presumption that third parties aren't viable, maybe in a few more elections we can put this destructive two party system behind us. Americans will never be represented well as long as it controls our government.
Anyone who's been around P&N knows I'm hardly a right-winger. Indeed, I've regularly been called things like "commie-lib" by dimwits here who never could grasp the difference between anti-Bush and liberal. Here's your chance to show you're smarter than they are, because I'll tell you right now I won't be voting for Hillary Clinton. While I don't find her repugnant, I also don't find her to be a good choice to lead this country. We'll see who the Republicans nominate, but if the Dems go with Clinton, I will likely vote for a third-party candidate.
You can hop on the short bus too by dismissing me as a "Republican", or you can open your mind and recognize there are a lot of other independents and even Democrats who have similar reservations. The choice is yours. You don't have to agree with me about her, but you're deluding yourself if you dismiss all the anti-Clinton criticism as being "smeared by the Republicans."
(And for the record, I don't think we've seen the Republican smears start yet, not really. They'll hold their big guns until the primaries are over and more people are watching the main event. Anything they do now will be forgotten by November. As I said several months ago, if the Dems do run Clinton, the Republican slime machine will have 51% of voters convinced she aborts babies for her lunch and is the love spawn of Hitler and Satan. Just watch.)
Maybe its a sign that Hillary is going to be a great President.
I wanted to comment on this separately because it's a great example of just how irrational you've become. You compare H.Clinton to GWB in noting both are widely despised, yet you then somehow suggest this indicates Clinton may be a great President. Really? By that (il)logic, I guess you must believe Bush is a great President, right? Indeed, that must be why you despise Bush yourself, because he's such a great President. Right? Or maybe, just maybe, it's because Bush's opponents recognize just how bad he is for America ... and Clinton's opponents recognize comparable flaws in her. Maybe? Something to think about if you can find a moment of lucidity.
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