Not to mention that Tasers are not cattle prods used to keep the cattle in compliance, they are used as a non lethal means to diffuse a dangerous situation. You don't taser people when they are not complying, you taser them when they are a danger to you, others, or themselves.
A swearing woman != danger to the officer.
Next?
JD50
Lifer
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You'd be better off just staying out of the Cop bashing threads. Anyone with actual experience and first hand knowledge is either ignored and/or accused of protecting their buddies. So far you've just been ignored, but give it some time, this thread is just getting started.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
So you don't think she has to comply with the orders to comply? I don't give a rats ass about cursing - she still has to comply when the cops want to talk with you. You can't just keep moving away.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
:roll: I didn't state that - I simply answered the question.
You think trying to get the woman to answer questions about the CC situation is "thug"? Wow, you kids these days have a distorted view of cops...
Well you know, maybe if you guys DID try and see the other point of view, you might get accused of that less. As it is, it hardly seems to matter WHAT the cops do, certain folks will be right there to defend them. Of course that goes the other way too, no matter what cops do, certain folks will attack them...but don't try and paint yourself as holding the intellectual high ground here...you don't.
In this particular case, I should think the complaint would be obvious. I think most people would agree that having a less lethal option is a good idea, but the problem with the TASER being better than an Asp is that they aren't really comparable...mostly because TASERs are used in all sorts of situations where clubbing someone in the head with an Asp would (rightly) be viewed as excessive force. TASERs are certainly used as an alternative to clubs and guns if possible, and I don't think anyone could object to that. But TASERs are also being used as an alternative to talking with a suspect or employing simple physical restraint. That is not what TASERs are meant for, and it is an obvious case of excessive force.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Agreed. I never stated otherwise. I've actually never stated the cops ultimate actions were "correct".
However, IMO there is no call for the level of hate spewed about cops here.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Except for the FACT that the cop was called in to look into the CC situation. But yeah, I guess the cop had no right to question that. :roll:
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
I guess I've just ignored these threads in the past(or just don't remember them) but damn, the level of hatred of cops is disgusting. I suppose I'll remember to stay away from these in the future if they just attract the angst filled kiddies.
And complete tools.
The problem with cop discussions here is that it's almost impossible to have a decent debate with the angst filled kiddies on one side and the goose stepping apologists on the other. Why cops can't be a decent group of people that try to protect the public while dealing with difficult trade-offs is beyond me, because I think that's what they are. But try telling that to the folks around here, for whom cops are either jack booted thugs or the perfect American heroes who we shouldn't DARE question.
Again how does leaving the storing and forgetting your credit card in anyway indicate the credit card is stolen. For the police to detain someone there must be something to back up the claim that a crime has been committed.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
She didn't start to move away until the officer attempted to falsely arrest her, hence the "resisting arrest without violence" charge. The "disorderly conduct" charge and initial attempt to arrest were apparently only for the bad language and yelling.
I have seen no indication that the woman disobeyed any lawful orders, but I would welcome any additional evidence proving my assessment incorrect.
form the link
Are you whining that I changed leaving to forgetting? But that doesn't matter. How does the above in anyway indicate that the credit card was stolen?
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Yes, you said forgot which was not the case. The cop was called over by the cashier. The cop was trying to get the straight story from the lady and she flipped out. If the lady would have just talked to the cop instead of flipping out.
AGAIN, I have not said the cop should have tased her - however the lady was STUPID for not obeying the commands and answering the cop's questions.
Yeah rights are stupid she should be water boarded then she would answer the questions. You don't have to obey the commands and answer the questions. The cop had no basis to detain her because the cop had no reason to believe a crime had been committed.
Uhh, you don't have the right to resist being detained or arrested.
If you think you do, then you have the right to be tazed.
You are quite possibly the dumbest person I have ever seen on this board and that is saying quite alot.
I know you might score some e-hard points for claiming you "hate pigs". But that doesn't make what you are saying correct in the slightest.
Get educated or STFU please.
I say bring back the billy club and then see how quickly the masses demand the tasers back.
A big problem right now is that a lot people have no respect for authority--just review half the posts here.
If a cop wants to talk to you, respect him and do so.
If a cop suspects that you are commiting a crime and you escalate the situation by non-compliance, be happy they use the taser instead of the billy club. Frankly if you have to be told this, you deserved to get tased.
My friend bought a taser so naturally I was tased by him. It's not that bad, the worst thing is that you can't control yourself--basically you have a full body muscle spasim. But after it you're just fine.
The taser is a great thing for cops to have and people tend to forget it was designed to remove the club and make it safer for both the cop and the suspect.
Really this thread points out two problems:
1. Do some cops use the taser when they shouldn't--yes.
2. Do a lot of people automatically assume that cops are at fault--yes.
Which is a bigger problem to you?
A big problem right now is that a lot people have no respect for authority--just review half the posts here.
If a cop wants to talk to you, respect him and do so.
If a cop suspects that you are commiting a crime and you escalate the situation by non-compliance, be happy they use the taser instead of the billy club. Frankly if you have to be told this, you deserved to get tased.
My friend bought a taser so naturally I was tased by him. It's not that bad, the worst thing is that you can't control yourself--basically you have a full body muscle spasim. But after it you're just fine.
The taser is a great thing for cops to have and people tend to forget it was designed to remove the club and make it safer for both the cop and the suspect.
Really this thread points out two problems:
1. Do some cops use the taser when they shouldn't--yes.
2. Do a lot of people automatically assume that cops are at fault--yes.
Which is a bigger problem to you?
BoberFett
Lifer
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And then see how quickly people just start killing cops. Do you really want to get into a pissing match with an armed populace?
When authority has respect for me, I'll have respect for authority. Those currently in power are drunk on that power and
Screw that. Why should I have to talk to a cop unless I'm committing a crime? They're our servants, not our masters. It's a two way street, but pigs seem to be increasingly thinking they are better than the citizens they work for.
Deserve it, huh? Anybody that doesn't grovel at the feet of the almighty pig deserves to be tasered, eh? Again, they're our servants, not our masters. Unless I'm committing a crime, I expect to be able to ignore a cop and not be physically assaulted.
Unless you're not fine, in which case you're dead.
Great, I hope you keep that in mind if you ever get zapped because some jackass pig on a power trip thought you looked at him funny. :roll:
#1 is definitely a bigger problem.
Sadly, for society, you've proven my point. I'd like to believe you're only saying this stuff to prove my point but sadly you actually feel this way and have no repect for authority.
People like you escalate a situation, come off like a lunatic to a cop, end of getting tased, and are too stupid to know why.
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