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Will the A380 be the next air force one?

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ZeGermans

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I'm posting in here just to be safe in case this turns into a flamewar.

So, as we all know or should know, airbus is coming out with a new super jumbo jet called the A380 which is about 33% larger than 747s, the current largest production plane. It's also built throughout europe, specifically in france, germany, etc. So my question, poll included! is, once this plane goes into full production, will the administration in charge at the time switch to this much more modern, larger plane, or will they shun it because of it's nation and/or continent or origin?
 
Doesn't it need to land on specific airfield or tarmacks? Or something like that? Since it's so big..
 
I doubt it. Boeing is coming out with a competitor (can't recall the name at the moment), I'm not sure a larger plane is something the government is looking for, and buying from a non-American company is bad political form.
 
I believe that the new Marine One (the helicopter) is being designed by a joint US-Europe venture over an all-American bid. So, I don't see it completely out of the question.
 
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
I'm posting in here just to be safe in case this turns into a flamewar.

So, as we all know or should know, airbus is coming out with a new super jumbo jet called the A380 which is about 33% larger than 747s, the current largest production plane. It's also built throughout europe, specifically in france, germany, etc. So my question, poll included! is, once this plane goes into full production, will the administration in charge at the time switch to this much more modern, larger plane, or will they shun it because of it's nation and/or continent or origin?
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Your poll choices don't match your post. Further proof...

 
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
I think it's been designed to work on any 747-ready airport
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That's not entirely correct. My understanding is it needs larger taxiways among other things to effectively use the same airports. LAX for instance had to enlarge some of its taxiways to accomidate the A-380. The number of airports in the US that are actually going to be capable of hosting the A-380 is going to be relatively small for quite some time.

Furthermore, especially with the 747ADV likely to be announced in the near future, the only thing the A-380 has for it is that its somewhat larger, which may not matter much at this point. Basically the question is what significant benefits justify an even larger plane, otherwise its just wasting fuel. The 747 also apparently has a slighly higher max speed than the A-380, which might actually matter with Air Force One. If the US buys a European plane sometime considerably in the future to be Air Force One, I don't see it being the A-380. The benefits are not significant enough to justify buying European instead of US.
 
CanOWorms:

Your right. Still, though the aircraft is a European design (Augusta EH-101), the contract was awarded to Lockheed Martin, definitely an American company.

Rainsford:

I think Boeing abandoned their A380 competitor to seek the mid-sized jumbo jet market.

ZeGermans:

I doubt Airbus will be the sole contractor for the next Air Force One, seeing that the systems integrated into Air Force One will always be matters of 'national security.' Perhaps Airbus would be contracted to provide the airframe, while other American subcontractors will work on the innards. Of course, you'd have to have all the companies agree to allow this sort of 'intimacy'.

Still, I think Boeing is going to provide the next Air Force One, considering their long-time partnership with the government and countless projects worked on. If size is still so important, maybe it'll be based of off a '747NG' (like Aegeon stated above) in the mold of Boeing's 737NG-700-900; basically improved airframe, avionics and perhaps engines. Or it might be a 777 or a 787. Who knows.

Well, not too much middle-ground on the poll, so I'm just gonna go with the eurotrash option. But the A380 is far from eurotrash. Fedex is buying a few to replace my darling MD-11s (made by Boeing).
 
I'm feel I should point out that the last Air Force One jet lasted a couple of decades
before being replaced; and the first president to make use of the new model is
GW Bush. In all likelyhood, it will be quite a while before another AF1 jet
needs to be produced.

 
given all the trouble boeing has been in with the gov't and lockheed, would lockheed be able to whip up a design and win a contract to build airforce one?
isnt a large portion of the A380 going to be produced in the US -> shipped to europe for assembly? even if it is, i doubt the gov't would ever give a contract for AF1 to a non us company.
 
Originally posted by: PottedMeat
given all the trouble boeing has been in with the gov't and lockheed, would lockheed be able to whip up a design and win a contract to build airforce one?
isnt a large portion of the A380 going to be produced in the US -> shipped to europe for assembly? even if it is, i doubt the gov't would ever give a contract for AF1 to a non us company.
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DING DING DING, we have a winner!
 
It's not even 20 years old yet. But if it's lost that "new plane" smell it must be time to spend another billion and replace that POS. :disgust:
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
It's not even 20 years old yet. But if it's lost that "new plane" smell it must be time to spend another billion and replace that POS. :disgust:
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I'll say the same thing to you that I did to my 12 year-old nephew when he got out of line. Respect grown-ups and stop making faces.
 
not unless we invade europe first.

plus the a380 as big as it is.. is freakin hideous. its bloated. its like a person with the top of their skull inflated like a balloon. total freak.

plus the name.. air bus.. air BUS..not inspiring.
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
It's not even 20 years old yet. But if it's lost that "new plane" smell it must be time to spend another billion and replace that POS. :disgust:
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lol like the B1 to the B2? Besides, it's not that expensive
 
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
I'm posting in here just to be safe in case this turns into a flamewar.

So, as we all know or should know, airbus is coming out with a new super jumbo jet called the A380 which is about 33% larger than 747s, the current largest production plane. It's also built throughout europe, specifically in france, germany, etc. So my question, poll included! is, once this plane goes into full production, will the administration in charge at the time switch to this much more modern, larger plane, or will they shun it because of it's nation and/or continent or origin?

Topic Title: Will the A380 be the next air force one?
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Your poll sucks but the question is on point.

The U.S. will not have anything it can call its own other than debt.

It's all by Republican design so what's the point or problem????
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
I'm posting in here just to be safe in case this turns into a flamewar.

So, as we all know or should know, airbus is coming out with a new super jumbo jet called the A380 which is about 33% larger than 747s, the current largest production plane. It's also built throughout europe, specifically in france, germany, etc. So my question, poll included! is, once this plane goes into full production, will the administration in charge at the time switch to this much more modern, larger plane, or will they shun it because of it's nation and/or continent or origin?

Topic Title: Will the A380 be the next air force one?
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Your poll sucks but the question is on point.

The U.S. will not have anything it can call its own other than debt.

It's all by Republican design so what's the point or problem????
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:cookie:
 
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
I'm posting in here just to be safe in case this turns into a flamewar.

So, as we all know or should know, airbus is coming out with a new super jumbo jet called the A380 which is about 33% larger than 747s, the current largest production plane. It's also built throughout europe, specifically in france, germany, etc. So my question, poll included! is, once this plane goes into full production, will the administration in charge at the time switch to this much more modern, larger plane, or will they shun it because of it's nation and/or continent or origin?

Topic Title: Will the A380 be the next air force one?
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Your poll sucks but the question is on point.

The U.S. will not have anything it can call its own other than debt.

It's all by Republican design so what's the point or problem????
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:cookie:
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At least offer me some :beer: to wash it down, it's cheaper at Wally World too so you could afford it. :thumbsup:
 
FAR Part 25 outlines the acquisition of foreign products/services. Knowing this, and knowing that there is an extra %50 [I believe it's %50 anyway, it may be less] added to a foreign contractors bid, i'd have to say that the government will never use sole source foreign made products/services.

For those that don't know, the FAR is the Federal Acquisition Regulation.
 
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
I think it's been designed to work on any 747-ready airport
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You're forgetting one thing: The 747 model that Air Force One is built from is a military model, not a commercial model. It is built to be able to land at smaller airports than a normal 747, so an A380 would not be able to land in all the same places AFO could.
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
I doubt it. Boeing is coming out with a competitor (can't recall the name at the moment), I'm not sure a larger plane is something the government is looking for, and buying from a non-American company is bad political form.
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I haven't heard of a direct competitor to the A380, but Boeing is taking contracts and is about to start producing the 7E7 "Dreamliner" It's small, fast, and fuel efficient.
 
As a sign of good will it would be awsome if the US would take the new airbus as a new airforce one and for the EU to pick one of boeing new planes for their main diplomatic jet.. if they have one that is
 
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