Yeah, everywhere "Men in Black" is italicized it means "Independence Day", and where it's not italicized, it means "Men in Black".
I'm kinda hoping that this movie will be a surprise summer movie like Minority Report was. Then again, with movies of late, I'm very prepared for disappointment.
Schadenfreude
Lifer
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I'm not too keen on Will Smith, but if Alex Proyas is directing, the same man that directed and wrote Dark City, then I'm game!
Yeah, sorry, it wasn't on Apple's site, but that is it, and in my opinion is a much better trailer and makes me actually look forward to seeing this movie (well, I was giving it the benefit of the doubt anyways since Alex Proyas was directing it)
From what I have seen, it seems to be a mix. A bit of the idea from the Little Lost Robot short story in I, Robot, a dash of The Caves Of Steel, and some original ideas. Basically, all of the stories in I, Robot center around the robots and their extreme or odd interpretations of the Three Laws of Robotics, and the mishaps that occur because of them. So it appears they are basing it not directly on I, Robot, since it is a collection of short stories, but on the primary theme of the book.
Up until now, I had only read Asimov's short fiction, which includes the first short story in I, Robot. I just finished the whole book now, and am going to start reading The Caves Of Steel next. Perhaps someone more familiar with Asimov's robot novels could offer some input?
Ok, I liked that trailer more than the American one I saw in the theaters. Based on the Japanese and American Trailers, it doesn't look like any one of the Robot stories in "I, Robot" or in the subsequent Robot novels (w/Elijah Bailey and R.Daneel Olivaw). It looks like it might be based on one of the short stories in I, Robot, but it's been a few years since I read that book.
BTW, Dr. Susan Calvin is NOT supposed to be a hottie....but I guess I won't complain
The Japanese Trailer gives away a VERY important piece of information:
POSSIBLE SPOILER!!!!! - (or at least my best guess)
It shows the robot pointing a gun at a human. If this is a real gun, and that's a real human, the robot cannot possibly be governed by the First Law of Robotics (A robot may not harm a human being, or through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm).
Also, it shows a robot jumping out of a high-rise window, and landing a few feet away from a bunch of humans, impacting heavily on the concrete. An "Asimovian" robot could NOT do this, because it would think that it MIGHT land and kill a human on the ground. Again, this is a First Law violation.
Therefore, the accused Robot probably does not have the First Law in it's programming. It might be lacking part of the First Law. One of the "I, Robot" stories dealt with this scenario.
Actually, now that I'm writing this, I'm remembering a little more about Asimov's robots....
There IS a scenario where a robot MIGHT be able to do the aforementioned actions and still obey the First Law...but I suspect Asimov would have written that the robot would eventually go insane....
You don't think robots have "minds" that can do math quickly enough to calculate where they would land with a forward jumping force?Originally posted by: tk149
Ok, I liked that trailer more than the American one I saw in the theaters. Based on the Japanese and American Trailers, it doesn't look like any one of the Robot stories in "I, Robot" or in the subsequent Robot novels (w/Elijah Bailey and R.Daneel Olivaw). It looks like it might be based on one of the short stories in I, Robot, but it's been a few years since I read that book.
BTW, Dr. Susan Calvin is NOT supposed to be a hottie....but I guess I won't complain
The Japanese Trailer gives away a VERY important piece of information:
POSSIBLE SPOILER!!!!! - (or at least my best guess)
It shows the robot pointing a gun at a human. If this is a real gun, and that's a real human, the robot cannot possibly be governed by the First Law of Robotics (A robot may not harm a human being, or through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm).
Also, it shows a robot jumping out of a high-rise window, and landing a few feet away from a bunch of humans, impacting heavily on the concrete. An "Asimovian" robot could NOT do this, because it would think that it MIGHT land and kill a human on the ground. Again, this is a First Law violation.
Therefore, the accused Robot probably does not have the First Law in it's programming. It might be lacking part of the First Law. One of the "I, Robot" stories dealt with this scenario.
Actually, now that I'm writing this, I'm remembering a little more about Asimov's robots....
There IS a scenario where a robot MIGHT be able to do the aforementioned actions and still obey the First Law...but I suspect Asimov would have written that the robot would eventually go insane....
Then again, the robot didn't seem to look where he was jumping.
The window was opaque. There was no way the robot could have seen all the way down to the ground before taking his runnning leap out of the window. It was sheer luck that he landed ten feet away from people, and not ON somebody.Originally posted by: Howard
You don't think robots have "minds" that can do math quickly enough to calculate where they would land with a forward jumping force?Originally posted by: tk149
Ok, I liked that trailer more than the American one I saw in the theaters. Based on the Japanese and American Trailers, it doesn't look like any one of the Robot stories in "I, Robot" or in the subsequent Robot novels (w/Elijah Bailey and R.Daneel Olivaw). It looks like it might be based on one of the short stories in I, Robot, but it's been a few years since I read that book.
BTW, Dr. Susan Calvin is NOT supposed to be a hottie....but I guess I won't complain
The Japanese Trailer gives away a VERY important piece of information:
POSSIBLE SPOILER!!!!! - (or at least my best guess)
It shows the robot pointing a gun at a human. If this is a real gun, and that's a real human, the robot cannot possibly be governed by the First Law of Robotics (A robot may not harm a human being, or through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm).
Also, it shows a robot jumping out of a high-rise window, and landing a few feet away from a bunch of humans, impacting heavily on the concrete. An "Asimovian" robot could NOT do this, because it would think that it MIGHT land and kill a human on the ground. Again, this is a First Law violation.
Therefore, the accused Robot probably does not have the First Law in it's programming. It might be lacking part of the First Law. One of the "I, Robot" stories dealt with this scenario.
Actually, now that I'm writing this, I'm remembering a little more about Asimov's robots....
There IS a scenario where a robot MIGHT be able to do the aforementioned actions and still obey the First Law...but I suspect Asimov would have written that the robot would eventually go insane....
Then again, the robot didn't seem to look where he was jumping.
well, in the trailer that played before harry potter, it appeared that there were robot v.s. human en masse battles going on, so unless they were playing a "dream sequence" from the film as a way to suck in the average viewer by appealing to the action/violence crowd, there's no question that the robots are very much not restrained by asimov's laws.
NFS4
No Lifer
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Originally posted by: tk149
The window was opaque. There was no way the robot could have seen all the way down to the ground before taking his runnning leap out of the window. It was sheer luck that he landed ten feet away from people, and not ON somebody.Originally posted by: Howard
You don't think robots have "minds" that can do math quickly enough to calculate where they would land with a forward jumping force?Originally posted by: tk149
Ok, I liked that trailer more than the American one I saw in the theaters. Based on the Japanese and American Trailers, it doesn't look like any one of the Robot stories in "I, Robot" or in the subsequent Robot novels (w/Elijah Bailey and R.Daneel Olivaw). It looks like it might be based on one of the short stories in I, Robot, but it's been a few years since I read that book.
BTW, Dr. Susan Calvin is NOT supposed to be a hottie....but I guess I won't complain
The Japanese Trailer gives away a VERY important piece of information:
POSSIBLE SPOILER!!!!! - (or at least my best guess)
It shows the robot pointing a gun at a human. If this is a real gun, and that's a real human, the robot cannot possibly be governed by the First Law of Robotics (A robot may not harm a human being, or through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm).
Also, it shows a robot jumping out of a high-rise window, and landing a few feet away from a bunch of humans, impacting heavily on the concrete. An "Asimovian" robot could NOT do this, because it would think that it MIGHT land and kill a human on the ground. Again, this is a First Law violation.
Therefore, the accused Robot probably does not have the First Law in it's programming. It might be lacking part of the First Law. One of the "I, Robot" stories dealt with this scenario.
Actually, now that I'm writing this, I'm remembering a little more about Asimov's robots....
There IS a scenario where a robot MIGHT be able to do the aforementioned actions and still obey the First Law...but I suspect Asimov would have written that the robot would eventually go insane....
Then again, the robot didn't seem to look where he was jumping.
Leave it to the GEEKS to overanalyze a movie before it is even OUT!!!! Good lord!!!!
PingSpike
Lifer
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I like that Japanese trailer much better. Leave it to hollywood marketing teams to strip any intellectual subject matter out of a movie and try to water it down to a simple premise like "Blast some motherfvcking robots." This poor marketing plan is likely to just bring in people who want action, only to be disappointed and turn off people who might have enjoyed it.
I still have high hopes for the film though.
I still have high hopes for the film though.
It's a summer blockbuster and people are stupid. Marketing to the lowest common denominator is the safest bet. Of course it also speaks volumes for the average American movie goer. Which is easier to sell explosions or intelligence?
Lethal
I forget to mention, don't put too much weight on this interview. It's still Smith's job to sell the movie. Of course he is going to talk about good, and deep, and genre-bending it is. That's part of his job. That's the whole reason for the interview. You can find Vin Diesel giving Chronicles of Riddick the same kind of praise. And we all know how good CoR is...
Lethal
Lethal
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: tk149
So what's your point?
Go to the movie. Enjoy it. Then analyze it. If you start overanalyzing stuff before you even go see the flick, how can you even enjoy it when you DO see it?
I'm going to tell myself that this movie bears as much resemblance to Asimov's writings as Jurassic Park 2 did to Crichton's novel (i.e. very little). Then I'm going to sit back and enjoy a movie with lots of cool special effects, and hope that Will Smith gets his butt kicked.
I do hope it's a good movie, but I really doubt that it will be true to Asimov's legacy.
I just started reading The Caves Of Steel last night. It says in the introduction that the movie rights for I, Robot were sold back in 1981. I shudder to think what this movie would have looked like if it had been done in the early 80's.
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