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LOL. An unworkable health insurance overhaul that passed without a single Republican vote in the Senate or House is a Republican plan.
 
berzerker60 said:
We'd certainly all be much better off if Obama had been able to pass single-payer health care instead of this watered down Republican health care plan. Then employers wouldn't be in the health care game at all.
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Are you stupid? Single-payer is just wrong and not what this country needs you moron. We need a free market system.
 
bshole said:
WhipperSnapper,

Excellent posts. The cost of health care in the United States is far higher than any other nation.

Health care in the United States is double that of Canada yet Canadians have a longer life expectancy and lower infant moratlity rate. Canada has socialized medicine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_(PPP)_per_capita

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ow-americas-health-care-prices-are-ludicrous/
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Another idiot advocating for socialized medicine. Do you have any shame?
 
The United States is the only first world country without socialized medicine. It pays twice as much if not more than any other country for health care. Despite that spending it is DEAD LAST in health.

They add to a growing pile of research showing that despite lavish spending on healthcare in the United States, Americans are failing to make significant gains in many measures of overall health.

In a 2010 report by the nonprofit Commonwealth Fund, the United States, despite spending twice as much on healthcare, came in dead last compared with six peers - Britain, Canada, Germany, Netherlands, Australia and New Zealand.

The latest study in JAMA compared 20 years of health data from a vast number of surveys, published studies and death certificates in the United States with similar records in 34 high-income countries in Europe, Asia and North America.

Overall, the United States fell in the rankings between 1990 and 2010 on nearly every major health measure.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/10/us-usa-health-studies-idUSBRE9690I320130710
 
bshole said:
The United States is the only first world country without socialized medicine. It pays twice as much if not more than any other country for health care. Despite that spending it is DEAD LAST in health.



http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/10/us-usa-health-studies-idUSBRE9690I320130710
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Half of our healthcare spending in this country is socialized on the public side. The other half is socialized via private insurance. We live in a very socialized healthcare system. Our costs of healthcare have more to do with regulation, supply demand curve distortions because of these socialized systems, and the quality of care which costs more. One thing people should understand is spending does not correlate to outcomes all the time. A lot of our spending is in the last few years of life. We have this insane idea as a country we should spend a lot of money keeping people alive who are terminal. Pain management would imo reduce costs a lot for terminal patients.
 
Genx87 said:
One thing people should understand is spending does not correlate to outcomes all the time.....Pain management would imo reduce costs a lot for terminal patients.
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That is why single provider WOULD save us a ton of money- it would force rationing care down the throat of an American public that is used to a "the customer is always right, do everything possible to give Granda an extra day!" situation.

The only other answer is to bottom out care so much that people expect NOTHING, so a ration system that rose from the ashes would seem like an improvement.
 
Genx87 said:
Half of our healthcare spending in this country is socialized on the public side. The other half is socialized via private insurance. We live in a very socialized healthcare system. Our costs of healthcare have more to do with regulation, supply demand curve distortions because of these socialized systems, and the quality of care which costs more.
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Do you think that the huge amount of money spent on having insurance companies and everything related to it could possibly have anything to do with the high cost of health care? Where does the money come from to pay for all the employees at the insurance company and all the medical billing specialists at the hospital and the insurance consultants and benefits plan managers for businesses? Where does the money come from to pay for all hospitals' and insurance companies' advertisements?

The reason why health insurance is so expensive in this country is because about 30-40% of the people who make their living from the health care industry have nothing to do with actually providing health care.

If socialized medicine is the problem, then all of those other nations' health care systems should be in far worse shape than ours or they should be spending a higher percentage of their GDP on it than we are.
 
Gen.

I remember reading somewhere that 90% of a person's medical expenses occurred in the last year of their life. If that is true (and I don't know if it is), it represents an collosal waste of resources. So I guess I agree with you on that.

In Canada, they have rationed care and make triage type decisions on who to save or not. Here's a hint if you are over 75, they aren't going to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to save your life, they will simply ease your suffering.

I'm ok with going to a Canada like system on the sole condition that I myself should be exempt from all such triage type decisions.
 
poofyhairguy said:
That is why single provider WOULD save us a ton of money- it would force rationing care down the throat of an American public that is used to a "the customer is always right, do everything possible to give Granda an extra day!" situation.

The only other answer is to bottom out care so much that people expect NOTHING, so a ration system that rose from the ashes would seem like an improvement.
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According to your theory, people should be dying left and right in all of those "people's states" that have socialized medicine. Why aren't the people in those nation's demanding free market medicine?

We already have health care rationing in the U.S. right now, btw. If you can't afford to pay your insurance premiums or your deductibles then you are welcome to "don't get sick, and if you do get sick, die quickly and quietly".
 
bshole said:
Gen.

I remember reading somewhere that 90% of a person's medical expenses occurred in the last year of their life. If that is true (and I don't know if it is), it represents an collosal waste of resources. So I guess I agree with you on that.

In Canada, they have rationed care and make triage type decisions on who to save or not. Here's a hint if you are over 75, they aren't going to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to save your life, they will simply ease your suffering.

I'm ok with going to a Canada like system on the sole condition that I myself should be exempt from all such triage type decisions.
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Sounds like death panels, what gives them the right to deny healthcare. You're a fucking hypocrite you want special conditions for yourself.
 
Incorruptible said:
bshole said:
Gen.

I remember reading somewhere that 90% of a person's medical expenses occurred in the last year of their life. If that is true (and I don't know if it is), it represents an collosal waste of resources. So I guess I agree with you on that.

In Canada, they have rationed care and make triage type decisions on who to save or not. Here's a hint if you are over 75, they aren't going to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to save your life, they will simply ease your suffering.

I'm ok with going to a Canada like system on the sole condition that I myself should be exempt from all such triage type decisions.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like death panels, what gives them the right to deny healthcare. You're a fucking hypocrite you want special conditions for yourself.
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Why must you continue your support for terrorism? Please answer us!
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unokitty said:


You're free to think differently, but the transition from full time to part time jobs under Obama doesn't appeal to me.

Neither does the fact that the number of Americans receiving food assistance has surpassed the number of full-time private sector workers in the U.S.

And when Only 47% Of Adults Have a Full-Time Job in Obama "Recovery", I don't see a lot of reason to party.

But if you want to celebrate, then party on...

Uno
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You do realize that the chart you posted implicates Bush far more than it does Obama, right?
 
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