Will Obamacare create the new 29hr work week?

[JEDI]

This is happening to everyone we know who works part time in unskilled labor positions -

Employers are so freaked out about this they prevent anyone from being scheduled more than 28hrs a week for fear that a bit of OT could lead them to 30hrs, they are also hiring more staff and cutting hours.

These folks will be working two part-time unskilled labor jobs in order to earn a 40-50hr work week now.

How do I know this? Family members are in HS with HS friends who all work part time jobs in (retail, movie theater, ice cream shops, food service) and are having hours cut while also seeing an influx of new faces as hiring is way up. Of course the management have stated NO ONE is to have more than 28hrs other than Managers.

One way to get the unemployment rate down................

i thought unemployment rate was # of people receiving unemployment?
it's around ~$10/hr.

why would anyone work at any job thats less that $10/hr if the govt is paying them the same $ staying home?

 

[Patranus]

I wasn't talking about your disposable wage slaves. I was talking about people in skilled positions doing complex jobs where it is difficult to train/find someone else to fill the role.

EDIT:

http://www.shrm.org/hrdisciplines/benefits/articles/pages/benefits_loyalty.aspx

Its still a function of money regardless of what position the person is in or their skills.

Benefits are a substitute for direct compensation.

 

[IGBT]

Yikes. We'd better stop having them.

We'll just leave Obama in power. No more consequences.

..yes..And we will be entertained by his perpetual stupidity.

 

[glenn1]

Yep. Obamacare originated as a proposal from the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, as a way to have private industry provided health care reform. It's no coincidence Mitt Romney put it into place first as governor. Obamacare is nothing but a Republican health care plan, but since anything Obama has to be treated like it's Satan's worst excrement, suddenly it's ~*socialism*~

Obama is basically a 1990s centrist Republican president in every way except 1) he's black and 2) he's listed as a Democrat. It's pretty funny how he keeps proposing 1990s Republican ideas which are suddenly SOCIALISM AAHHHHH like cap and trade and Obama and Republicans.


These sort of unintended outcomes are why Democrats have been trying to amend and fix Obamacare as it slowly started going into effect. Unfortunately, the whiny baby caucus of the Congressional GOP won't allow any fixes to get through Congress since they think making Obamacare as bad as possible is how they're going to get it repealed, good of the nation be damned.

LOL, you dumb misguided bastard. You think you're taking money from Bill Gates to pay for slacker hipster's healthcare, and the reality is the young healthy are subsidizing the healthcare premiums for the middle aged CEOs of the world.

 

[KlokWyze]

i thought unemployment rate was # of people receiving unemployment?
it's around ~$10/hr.

why would anyone work at any job thats less that $10/hr if the govt is paying them the same $ staying home?

:thumbsup:

 

[berzerker60]

i thought unemployment rate was # of people receiving unemployment?
it's around ~$10/hr.

why would anyone work at any job thats less that $10/hr if the govt is paying them the same $ staying home?

Unemployment rate is the number of people currently seeking work without having found it. Someone without a job but not seeking (ex. a housewife or someone who's given up on a shitty market) isn't unemployed in this sense.

Putting aside that your second question is stupid, I'll answer it as if it was asked in good faith. People work for a lot of reasons besides money. Having a job provides identity, purpose, structure, and dignity. Also, unemployment runs out. Also, with jobs there are prospects for promotions and making more than $10/hr.

LOL, you dumb misguided bastard. You think you're taking money from Bill Gates to pay for slacker hipster's healthcare, and the reality is the young healthy are subsidizing the healthcare premiums for the middle aged CEOs of the world.

None of that contrasts with what I said, but also, so what? The young and healthy sacrifice for the old in tons of ways, from serving in the army to paying for Social Security. When I'm older, that benefit shifts to me, and even if it doesn't, I actually value helping other people. I'm not interested in saving $10/month in taxes if it means the majority of senior citizens living in flophouses and dying in poverty. Guess that makes me a radical socialist.

Democrats: The party of respecting and supporting your elders and fulfilling Christ's admonition to serve the poor above yourself
Republicans: The party of Fuck You, Got Mine

 

[Paul98]

It doesn't fix the problem which is the cost of health care. It also don't fix most of the problems in health insurance. Is it just me or does it seem like those in the government try to put as much crap in a bill that they can so they can attack it later on? Or put stuff in a bill to make it worse just so it doesn't succeed and the other party takes the blame?

 

[berzerker60]

It doesn't fix the problem which is the cost of health care. It also don't fix most of the problems in health insurance. Is it just me or does it seem like those in the government try to put as much crap in a bill that they can so they can attack it later on? Or put stuff in a bill to make it worse just so it doesn't succeed and the other party takes the blame?

It's too early to be certain it's going to stick, but health care costs have been slowing lately. Obamacare certainly does solve some of the biggest problems in health insurance, including insurers cancelling policies instead of paying, refusing preexisting conditions, or spending never paying out (now insurance companies have to spend at least 80% of the premiums they collect on health care costs, or else refund the extra to their customers). It's not perfect, but it's made the country a better place already. There are also plenty of things that need fixed, as any Democratic lawmaker will readily admit, but to fix them you have to pass bills, and good luck with the current House GOP.

 

[boomerang]

To answer to OP, yes it will make a 29 hour work week the norm. But Nancy told us that Obamacare would free people up to follow their dreams. So everyone can dream of the lifestyle they would have had with full employment at 40 hours and without the burden of the cost of mandated healthcare under Obamacare.

As we've already heard from one of the Obamabots, if you don't like it, it's not the fault of Democrats so be sure to continue to vote them in.

 

[JEDI]

Unemployment rate is the number of people currently seeking work without having found it. Someone without a job but not seeking (ex. a housewife or someone who's given up on a shitty market) isn't unemployed in this sense.

Democrats: The party of respecting and supporting your elders and fulfilling Christ's admonition to serve the poor above yourself
Republicans: The party of Fuck You, Got Mine

housewives dont collect unemployment.
how do they track people still seeking work after unemployment runs out?
even better, how do they know when these people have given up looking for work!??!

the poor in america are FAT and have cable TV!
the safety net has turned into a hammock 🙁

it's gotten too far to the left.
it needs to shift somewhat to the right a little, but i dont mean the extreme far right like today's terrorists repubs are.
more towards the center.

oh no.. i used the T word.. look out for the NSA!

 

[1prophet]

LOL, you dumb misguided bastard. You think you're taking money from Bill Gates to pay for slacker hipster's healthcare, and the reality is the young healthy are subsidizing the healthcare premiums for the middle aged CEOs of the world.

None of that contrasts with what I said, but also, so what? The young and healthy sacrifice for the old in tons of ways, from serving in the army to paying for Social Security. When I'm older, that benefit shifts to me, and even if it doesn't, I actually value helping other people. I'm not interested in saving $10/month in taxes if it means the majority of senior citizens living in flophouses and dying in poverty. Guess that makes me a radical socialist.

Democrats: The party of respecting and supporting your elders and fulfilling Christ's admonition to serve the poor above yourself
Republicans: The party of Fuck You, Got Mine

He said CEO's not average middle class elderly, they are selling you trickle down but you are ending up with this and you are too blind or brainwashed to see it.

 

[berzerker60]

housewives dont collect unemployment.
how do they track people still seeking work after unemployment runs out?
even better, how do they know when these people have given up looking for work!??!

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm

Some people think that to get these figures on unemployment, the Government uses the number of persons filing claims for unemployment insurance (UI) benefits under State or Federal Government programs. But some people are still jobless when their benefits run out, and many more are not eligible at all or delay or never apply for benefits. So, quite clearly, UI information cannot be used as a source for complete information on the number of unemployed.

Because unemployment insurance records relate only to persons who have applied for such benefits, and since it is impractical to actually count every unemployed person each month, the Government conducts a monthly sample survey called the Current Population Survey (CPS) to measure the extent of unemployment in the country. The CPS has been conducted in the United States every month since 1940, when it began as a Work Projects Administration project. It has been expanded and modified several times since then. For instance, beginning in 1994, the CPS estimates reflect the results of a major redesign of the survey. (For more information on the CPS redesign, see Chapter 1, "Labor Force Data Derived from the Current Population Survey," in the BLS Handbook of Methods.)

So a statistical sample survey each month, basically.

the poor in america are FAT and have cable TV!
the safety net has turned into a hammock 🙁

They're fat because food that's awful for you is the cheapest and most available, not because they're so well off. Unless you very literally want them to starve to death, cutting the amount of money they have available for food won't make them skinnier, it will just make them even more miserable and malnourished. Cable TV is extremely cheap, and people working two jobs to scrape by even with the meager help that the government provides need some kind of entertainment to stay sane. It's stupid to complain about every minor luxury someone has while they're poor. I promise you that if you swapped shoes with the working poor in America you'd be begging to get back your current, oh so poor little you taxed life within a month.

it's gotten too far to the left.
it needs to shift somewhat to the right a little, but i dont mean the extreme far right like today's terrorists repubs are.
more towards the center.

oh no.. i used the T word.. look out for the NSA!

It's not gotten anywhere near 'the left,' America still does its best to sink itself into being a third world country despite being the richest country in the world. Basically every other first-world nation has better health care, primary education, and more social mobility (yes, the Swedish Dream is a more real-life thing than the American Dream these days, by a whole lot) than we do in this country.

He said CEO's not average middle class elderly, they are selling you trickle down but you are ending up with this and you are too blind or brainwashed to see it.

How and the hell are you getting that? There simply aren't that many CEOs, and they've always had excellent health care. Making sure everyone has health insurance means the young and healthy pay marginally higher premiums to make up for those with preexisting conditions and in worse health, but that works both ways. In what way is that trickle down?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'm not sure who these smug "this is what you get" statements are addressed to. Nobody's in here wailing and gnashing teeth at how horrible and apocalyptic things are getting. We'll see what happens, and once the insane caucus of the GOP gets kicked out - be it in 2 years of 10 - we'll start revising Obamacare to remove some of its problems and strengthen other areas. Hell, maybe the death of today's GOP over the next 20 years will mean we finally get civilized, single-payer health care and this whole discussion will be moot.

You won't have good health care ever in this nation as long as politicians decide what that is. The Reps are clueless and the Dems are stupid. Neither knows the first thing about the subject. Might as well have them operate on you.

 

[Doppel]

If they do they will hire more. This must be what pelosi meant by the health care bill creating jobs. Genius!

 

[bshole]

Well to be honest, the DJIA has more than doubled since Obama got into office. It has been on steady incline for 4 straight consecutive years.

In other the news the deficit will shrink to 760 billion this year. Bush's last year had a deficit of 1.3 trillion.

The unemployment rate is now lower than the one Obama inherited from Bush.

Bush handed Obama a broken mess. From those sour lemons, Obama has created lemonade. All the fear mongering from the Republicans in the last election has not come to fruition. We are in MUCH MUCH MUCH better economic shape than we were when Obama first took office.

 

[Genx87]

I have said this before. Obamacare will destroy more full time jobs than any austerity program under consideration. Also a new term call the 49er is being coined in small business to avoide getting stuck in this quagmire of legislation.

 

[unokitty]

Well to be honest, the DJIA has more than doubled since Obama got into office. It has been on steady incline for 4 straight consecutive years.

In other the news the deficit will shrink to 760 billion this year. Bush's last year had a deficit of 1.3 trillion.

The unemployment rate is now lower than the one Obama inherited from Bush.

Bush handed Obama a broken mess. From those sour lemons, Obama has created lemonade. All the fear mongering from the Republicans in the last election has not come to fruition. We are in MUCH MUCH MUCH better economic shape than we were when Obama first took office.

You're free to think differently, but the transition from full time to part time jobs under Obama doesn't appeal to me.

Neither does the fact that the number of Americans receiving food assistance has surpassed the number of full-time private sector workers in the U.S.

And when Only 47% Of Adults Have a Full-Time Job in Obama "Recovery", I don't see a lot of reason to party.

But if you want to celebrate, then party on...

Uno

 

[berzerker60]

You're free to think differently, but the transition from full time to part time jobs under Obama doesn't appeal to me.

And when Only 47% Of Adults Have a Full-Time Job in Obama "Recovery", I don't see a lot of reason to party.

But if you want to celebrate, then party on...

Uno

Agreed, these are clearly still problems and the economy has a long way to go to recovery from the Great Recession. Anyone celebrating is going so prematurely.

Neither does the fact that the number of Americans receiving food assistance has surpassed the number of full-time private sector workers in the U.S.

This part actually doesn't bother me by itself - it's terrible that that many people are earning so little that they have to be on SNAP, but at least they're getting the help they need. It's kind of like how autism rates have shot up over the years, but the number of people labelled as 'feeble-minded' or 'retarded' have declined by the same amount - it's unfortunate that the problem exists, but at least now they're getting the help they need. Meanwhile, food assistance is going directly back into the economy, feeding money to local stores, then distributors, then farmers along the way. It's the least offensive form of welfare and stimulus possible.

 

[bshole]

Unokitty,

I went to the site and read the article. Here is the pertinent bit I read:

Oh, don't expect to get this data anywhere else.

Now if this data is NOWHERE else, is this site just making stuff up out of whole cloth? How can we trust data that is NOWHERE else but a highly partisan website? Why would you trust such data (other than the fact that it conforms to your worldview)?

 

[hans030390]

To answer to OP, yes it will make a 29 hour work week the norm. But Nancy told us that Obamacare would free people up to follow their dreams. So everyone can dream of the lifestyle they would have had with full employment at 40 hours and without the burden of the cost of mandated healthcare under Obamacare.

As we've already heard from one of the Obamabots, if you don't like it, it's not the fault of Democrats so be sure to continue to vote them in.

Obamacare doesn't force employers to cut hours. That's the employer's choice. Perhaps if people weren't so obsessed with money, we could actually start treating people right and with some dignity (we certainly have the technological and physical capabilities, even if untapped). Not having to worry about health care, food, housing, education, basic needs, etc. would enable many more people to pursue their dreams vs. being stuck in a rut trying to make ends meet every paycheck. But not until we all stop chasing the all powerful and controlling money! So, maybe it's a dream situation, but at least it's a dream worth chasing compared to spinning our wheels in place.

I'm just glad I work for a corporation that actually values its employees and treats us very well rather than just looking at us as individual sacks of meat and cheap, expendable labor. Same goes for how the company sees, values, and treats its customers.

 

[Theb]

i thought unemployment rate was # of people receiving unemployment?
it's around ~$10/hr.

why would anyone work at any job thats less that $10/hr if the govt is paying them the same $ staying home?

Unemployment benefits are based on what you made when you were working (the last 5 quarters). In Oregon it can be as little as $122 a week or as much as $507 a week. That is until you exhaust your benefit, then you get $0 a week.

 

[unokitty]

I went to the site and read the article.

How do I know that you didn't read the article?

Because if you had read the article's the first sentence, you would know that the data is from the Non Farm Payroll (NFP) data released by the United States Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics. (By the way, if you click that link, you can download the data yourself.)

You are of course free to continue to think that the US Department of Labor is "a highly partisan website."

So just party on dude!
Uno

 

[werepossum]

This is happening to everyone we know who works part time in unskilled labor positions -

Employers are so freaked out about this they prevent anyone from being scheduled more than 28hrs a week for fear that a bit of OT could lead them to 30hrs, they are also hiring more staff and cutting hours.

These folks will be working two part-time unskilled labor jobs in order to earn a 40-50hr work week now.

How do I know this? Family members are in HS with HS friends who all work part time jobs in (retail, movie theater, ice cream shops, food service) and are having hours cut while also seeing an influx of new faces as hiring is way up. Of course the management have stated NO ONE is to have more than 28hrs other than Managers.

One way to get the unemployment rate down................

From the standpoint of Obama and the Dems, this is not a problem. In the short term, this pain helps them by keeping people poor and in need of government intervention. In the long term, this extra pain helps them usher in universal government health care.

From the standpoint of the Pubbies, this is not a problem. In the short term, this pain can be blamed on Obama and government intervention. In the long term, they will replace us all with robots and foreign workers anyway.

Translation: We're all screwed.

 

[xBiffx]

The unemployment rate is now lower than the one Obama inherited from Bush.

Bush handed Obama a broken mess. From those sour lemons, Obama has created lemonade. All the fear mongering from the Republicans in the last election has not come to fruition. We are in MUCH MUCH MUCH better economic shape than we were when Obama first took office.

What do Bush or Obama have to do with the unemployment rate?

 

[BoberFett]

Our Dear Leader's followers shall not hold him accountable for anything.

Anything bad that happens in this country is the direct fault of those dirty republicans.



🙄

LOL, it's funny isn't it?

When touting the wonders of Obamacare, his disciples go on about how much better life will be with His Law improving the lives of millions.

Any unintended consequences that show up are the fault of those evil Republicans who designed this legislation years ago. It's all their fault.