Will McCains current tactics work?

retrospooty

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Now that McCain has been publicly outed for lying repeatedly, and its a pretty well known fact that they are throwing every dirty trick in the book at Obama from lies to faking being offended by such (rolls eyes) sexist remarks as lipstick on a pig (even though McCain uses that phrase too). Even Carl Rove says he went too far, and that is like the pot telling the kettle to chill out man!

Will it work, or start to backfire. Int he past few weeks he is obviously up with the Sarah Palin bounce.I think it will start to backfire as people stop believing it.

Obama truth.
Not teaching sex ed to kindergarteners
Not going to take our guns away
Not a muslim
Not unpatriotic
Not going to raise taxes on those making under 600K per year
Not wrong on Iraq
etc etc...


 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: retrospooty
Now that McCain has been publicly outed for lying repeatedly, and its a pretty well known fact that they are throwing every dirty trick in the book at Obama from lies to faking being offended by such (rolls eyes) sexist remarks as lipstick on a pig (even though McCain uses that phrase too). Even Carl Rove says he went too far, and that is like the pot telling the kettle to chill out man!

Will it work, or start to backfire. Int he past few weeks he is obviously up with the Sarah Palin bounce.I think it will start to backfire as people stop believing it.

Obama truth.
Not teaching sex ed to kindergarteners
Not going to take our guns away
Not a muslim
Not unpatriotic
Not going to raise taxes on those making under 600K per year
Not wrong on Iraq
etc etc...

I think the same question in another form is, how many AMericans are the sort of irrational cult followers that will eat that stuff up, and how many are more rational?
 

OrByte

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I think there is no question

its still working

Palin was in CO. today with her stump speech. She is still making the same claims (lies) that she has been claiming since day one.

Doesn't sound like McCain and Palin are phased by it.

I wonder how McCain sleeps at night knowing he is doing EXACTLY the low-brow tactics that were used against him in 2000? I wonder how he truely feels about the "Sex ed" lie?
 

yllus

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There's a good article about this in TIME. Senator McCain's tactics may have pissed off the press enough to the point that they might start taking the fight into their own hands. It's a pretty dangerous game they're playing.

McCain's Outraged and Outrageous Campaign

Steve Schmidt, John McCain's bald-headed message maven, made his first mark on national politics in the Bush-Cheney war room in 2004. Schmidt specialized in the generous dispersal of indignation ? like a friendly neighbor handing out Halloween candy ? to a quote-hungry press.

"It is simply outrageous that John Kerry is questioning people's patriotism," he told the New York Times in April of that year. "John Kerry will say anything for his political benefit," he told Reuters in October. "Now his campaign surrogates have taken those attacks to a new low," he told the Philadelphia Inquirer in November.

In the heat of a campaign, Schmidt understood that outrage could cut through the news clutter like a buzz saw. It didn't matter much if the outrage was fueled by fact ? better if it was fueled by emotion, which would tweak the fury of his base, leading to exciting exchanges on cable television and fresh chatter around the water cooler.

Now four years later, Schmidt and the McCain campaign have returned to outrage, and there is little doubt that the tactic is again having the desired effect.

This imbalance has caused some soul-searching and second-guessing in newsrooms, as reporters realize that they are being successfully manipulated by the McCain campaign. "Stop the madness," said TIME's own Mark Halperin, in an appearance on CNN to discuss the controversy. "I think this is the press just absolutely playing into the McCain campaign's crocodile tears."

By the weekend, many news organizations had mounted a backlash of their own, running prominent pieces accusing the self-branded "Straight Talking" McCain of deceiving voters. "The "Straight-Talk Express" has detoured into doublespeak," announced the Associated Press, while the New York Times blared, "McCain Barbs Stirring Outcry as Distortions."

The backlash has not yet had an impact on voter's perceptions of McCain's credibility though, with the press emboldened, that could change. But to date, the numbers don't show it.

In late July, the Real Clear Politics average of McCain's favorable rating stood at 53 percent, with 34 percent of voters saying they held an unpopular view of McCain. Since then, his favorability rating has gone up three points, while his un-favorability number has gone up just more than a point.

Over the same period, the favorability rating for Obama has remained constant, at 55 percent, while Obama's un-favorability has increased by more than three points to 37 percent.

Regardless of who prevails in November, one thing is certain: Steve Schmidt, lord of outrage, has a long and prosperous career ahead of him.
 

OrByte

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It is important to note.

That prior to this election the word "lie" mainly was not used, by the press, to describe a campaigns tactics.

Even Karl Rove skirted using the word with his "beyond the 100% truth test" jargon.

As more and more press begins to actually USE the word "Lie" you might see a change in tactics by McCain.

same goes for Obama, but it is McCains camp that is really beginning to earn the "liar" label.

I think its a good thing that the press is growing a pair.
 

Grunt03

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Our elections have always come down to dirty tactics. It's a shame and I wish we would get one person into office that truely cares for the country and it's people.

I would like to see them all step into the UFC ring and beast the shit out of each other, winner takes all............... and the belt.....
 

Dari

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Considering his post-election super bump has disappeared, I doubt it's working. Now people will see him as nothing more than an out-of-touch liar.
 

StageLeft

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I hope they don't but I'm learning more and more not to underestimate the ignorance of the average American.

Just today I received an email from a guy who fancies himself quite an educated republican and it included, for example, that tidbit about Obama's 28% tax on all house profits among some other dandies. People are fvcking dumb. I think that the ruling elite nobles had it right :)
 

Moonbeam

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I don't know but I have little fear the morons who voted twice for Bush will also fall for McSame.
 

retrospooty

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Originally posted by: JS80
lol this thread is turning into a left wing circle jerk

And your contribution is what? Nothing of value to say (becasue you know McCain is full of crap) so you just spit out the insults. Nice mirror of the McCain campaign though. he would be proud.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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McCain went negative way too early. That is why Rove had to chide him on national TV, he knows the danger of going so outrageously negative too early. It bites you in the ass.
 

Tab

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It doesn't seem to be holding out, he's losing the edge he had according to the polls.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I don't know but I have little fear the morons who voted twice for Bush will also fall for McSame.
How can you say it? Millions are falling for it.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I don't know but I have little fear the morons who voted twice for Bush will also fall for McSame.
How can you say it? Millions are falling for it.

There are a lot of people who aren't going to vote for Obama because he's too smart. They consider him elitist, they'd prefer someone who's not as bright to run the country.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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There is a surprisingly large chunk of voters in America who will not put a black man in office, period. Obama was never getting their votes.

If Obama is going to win it will be because of his extraordinary popularity with voters under the age of 30. He must get their support in record numbers though.
 

QED

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You mean by exposing Obama as the inexperienced, opportunistic old school liberal masquerading as a centrist that he is?

Yes, it does look like its working. It's also not hurting that the MSM and Obama can't keep their lips off of Palin...
 

OneOfTheseDays

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Palin is quickly becoming old news.

The economy is front and center, which is about the worst thing that could happen for John McCain.
 

Thump553

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If you pay any attention to the economy, the meltdown that is now happening on Wall Street stands a very probability of spreading to Main Street. Lehman Brothers went into Chapter 11 today without a bit of federal intervention (just talk) and now it looks like a very major insurer, AIG, could be going the same route as soon as tomorrow. Even a few days ago it was absolutely unthinkable AIG's situation would unravel this far or this fast.

Alan Greenspan today said this is a once a century occurence, and he hasn't seen anything like this in his lifetime. To me that's like having your doctor gasp "Holy f*ck" when he looks at your chart.

We had the worst day on Wall Street today since 9/11 and tomorrow is shaping up to be more of the same.

McCain's response-repeated again today-the economy is fundamentally sound, and he railed about the high salaries CEOs of failed institutions get. That's like complaining about a parking lot ding on your car that subsequently got run over by a tank. He is pathetically out of his league with financial issues, and frankly out of touch.

I think this may jolt Americans into selecting a President who can (and does) dare to think, and the lipstick, etc issues that the GOP is so fond of will diminish rapidly. We need to select a leader, not choose the best sideshow distraction.

 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I don't know but I have little fear the morons who voted twice for Bush will also fall for McSame.
How can you say it? Millions are falling for it.

There are a lot of people who aren't going to vote for Obama because he's too smart. They consider him elitist, they'd prefer someone who's not as bright to run the country.

That wouldn't be so bad if it were literally true, but they seem to want somebody not only not as bright as Obama, but not as bright as them. There's the rub. People that dumb and are politicians, too, means scraping the bottom of the barrel.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
McCain went negative way too early. That is why Rove had to chide him on national TV, he knows the danger of going so outrageously negative too early. It bites you in the ass.
You have not even seen negative yet.

Wait till "God damn America!!!" is repeated on TV a few dozen times a day.