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dawheat

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Originally posted by: theflyingpig
Originally posted by: Smartazz

But I'm arguing that it doesn't making a difference whether or not people believe in religion. It holds certain people back, but not everyone. The people advancing society aren't being held back completely by it.

It does make a difference. Open your eyes, my friend. The stupidity of religion infests nearly every aspect of our society. I would have no problem if people just practiced their religion quietly, but that is not the case. The fools come out to voice their ignorant opinions at every opportunity. They corrupt their children's minds with religious garbage, ensuring the continuation of stupidity for generations to come. This madness must end. Only then will humanity advance. Everyone knows this.

I think a more correct take on this is when people stop forcing their personal views on others - whether it is ignorant fundies, hypocritical atheists, or suicidal jihadists.

On topic - I think extending lifespans substantially would result in a fundamental change in society and life. If you can live productively for hundreds of years - would children be a rare sight, what would careers look like, etc.
 

ed21x

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Oct 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: ed21x
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internet -> unified system that we all become a part of. basically people will eventually live in a world where every aspect of their life is digitally linked to this system. soon this ditigal domain will be the main interface between us and everything else short of food and other things that require a tangible presence.
They'd darn well do something about improving reliability before then.

I'd also wonder about somehow using the networked computing power of the Internet for some kind of artificial intelligence. Those "maps" of the Internet look interestingly like a network of neurons. :D

if the porn industry can make use of it, i'm sure it will succeed ;)
 

PhatoseAlpha

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Oh, yes, absolutely. Won't waste time speculating on it, other then to say it will come from some venue of research that practical headed men consider an utter waste of time. Always does.
 

TruePaige

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Oct 22, 2006
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Originally posted by: ironwing
Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Nuclear technology holds so much promise for solving so many problems. But idiots on our planet insist that nuclear energy is somehow "Bad." Using nuclear rockets, we can reduce travel to Mars to weeks instead of months, we can have nearly unlimited supplies of energy (all clean), and we can use it in medicine.

There are sooo many awesome technologies out there that we're on the brink of discovering, but the stupid religious zealots and politicians are holding us back.

Explain please.

Currently for our space trips we carry all the fuel we need for the way there and back, so we must conserve fuel.

If we had a nuclear reactor on board we could create our fuel, and large quantities of it using almost no additional weight (enriched uranium is pretty light for the power output it can provide).

Through this we can utilize much more powerful engines as energy efficiency is no longer a concern.
 

TruePaige

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2010

* Supercomputers will have the same raw power as human brains (although not yet the equivalently flexible software).
* Computers will disappear as distinct physical objects, meaning many will have nontraditional shapes and/or will be embedded in clothing and everyday objects.
* Full-immersion audio-visual virtual reality will exist.





2010s

* Computers become smaller and increasingly integrated into everyday life.
* More and more computer devices will be used as miniature web servers, and more will have their resources pooled for computation.
* High-quality broadband Internet access will become available almost everywhere.
* Eyeglasses that beam images onto the users' retinas to produce virtual reality will be developed. They will also come with speakers or headphone attachments that will complete the experience with sounds. These eyeglasses will become a new medium for advertising as advertising will be wirelessly transmitted to them as one walks by various business establishments.
* The VR glasses will also have built-in computers featuring "virtual assistant" programs that can help the user with various daily tasks. (see Augmented Reality)
* Virtual assistants would be capable of multiple functions. One useful function would be real-time language translation in which words spoken in a foreign language would be translated into text that would appear as subtitles to a user wearing the glasses.
* Cell phones will be built into clothing and will be able to project sounds directly into the ears of their users.
* Advertisements will utilize a new technology whereby two ultrasonic beams can be targeted to intersect at a specific point, delivering a localized sound message that only a single person can hear. This was demonstrated in the films Minority Report and Back to the Future 2. See Sound from ultrasound.


2014

* Automatic house cleaning robots will have become common.


2018

* 10 Terabits (1013 bits) of computer memory?roughly the equivalent of the memory space in a single human brain--will cost $1000.


2020

* Personal computers will have the same processing power as human brains.





2020s

* Computers less than 100 nm in size will be possible.
* As one of their first practical applications, nanomachines will be used for medical purposes.
* Highly advanced medical nanobots will perform detailed brainscans on live patients.
* Accurate computer simulations of the entire human brain will exist due to these hyperaccurate brainscans, and the workings of the brain will be understood.
* Nanobots capable of entering the bloodstream to "feed" cells and extract waste will exist (though not necessarily be in wide use) by the end of this decade. They will make the normal mode of human food consumption obsolete. Thus, humans who have injected these nanobots into their bloodstream will evolve from having a normal human metabolism and become humanoid cyborgs. Eventually, according to Kurzweil, a large percentage of humans will evolve by this process into cyborgs.
* By the late 2020s, nanotech-based manufacturing will be in widespread use, radically altering the economy as all sorts of products can suddenly be produced for a fraction of their traditional-manufacture costs. The true cost of any product is now the amount it takes to download the design schematics.
* Also by the later part of this decade, virtual reality will be so high-quality that it will be indistinguishable from reality.
* The threat posed by genetically engineered pathogens permanently dissipates by the end of this decade as medical nanobots--far more durable, intelligent and capable than any microorganism--become sufficiently advanced.
* A computer will pass the Turing test by the last year of the decade (2029), meaning that it is a Strong AI and can think like a human (though the first A.I. is likely to be the equivalent of a kindergartner). This first A.I. is built around a computer simulation of a human brain, which was made possible by previous, nanotech-guided brainscanning.




2025

* The most likely year for the debut of advanced nanotechnology.
* Some military UAVs and land vehicles will be 100% computer-controlled.






2030s

* Mind uploading becomes possible.
* Nanomachines could be directly inserted into the brain and could interact with brain cells to totally control incoming and outgoing signals. As a result, truly full-immersion virtual reality could be generated without the need for any external equipment. Afferent nerve pathways could be blocked, totally canceling out the "real" world and leaving the user with only the desired virtual experience.
* Brain nanobots could also elicit emotional responses from users.
* Using brain nanobots, recorded or real-time brain transmissions of a person's daily life known as "experience beamers" will be available for other people to remotely experience. This is very similar to how the characters in Being John Malkovich were able to enter the mind of Malkovich and see the world through his eyes.
* Recreational uses aside, nanomachines in peoples' brains will allow them to greatly expand their cognitive, memory and sensory capabilities, to directly interface with computers, and to "telepathically" communicate with other, similarly augmented humans via wireless networks.
* The economy transits in GDP percentage to more meta services such as reality fabrication, mind enhancement, mental software. The GDP percentile of simulated, beamed, and augmented pornography will increase from 0.5% to over 10%, as production techniques reduce physical production costs of real things.
* The same nanotechnology should also allow people to alter the neural connections within their brains, changing the underlying basis for the person's intelligence, memories and personality.





2040s

* Human body 3.0 (as Kurzweil calls it) comes into existence. It lacks a fixed, corporeal form and can alter its shape and external appearance at will via foglet-like nanotechnology. Organs are also replaced by superior cybernetic implants.
* There will be social splitting into different levels of use of reality argumentation, from those who want to live in a life of imagined harems, or those who dedicate their thoughts to philosophical extension. Human society will drift apart in its focus, but with ever increasing capabilities to make imagined things occur.
* People spend most of their time in full-immersion virtual reality (Kurzweil has cited The Matrix as a good example of what the advanced virtual worlds will be like, without the dystopian twist).
* Foglets are in use.






2045: The Singularity

* $1000 buys a computer a billion times more powerful than the human brain. This means that average and even low-end computers are hugely smarter than even highly intelligent, unenhanced humans.
* The Singularity occurs as artificial intelligences surpass human beings as the smartest and most capable life forms on the Earth. Technological development is taken over by the machines, who can think, act and communicate so quickly that normal humans cannot even comprehend what is going on; thus the machines, acting in concert with those humans who have evolved into postbiological cyborgs, achieve effective world domination. The machines enter into a "runaway reaction" of self-improvement cycles, with each new generation of A.I.s appearing faster and faster. From this point onwards, technological advancement is explosive, under the control of the machines, and thus cannot be accurately predicted.
* The Singularity is an extremely disruptive, world-altering event that forever changes the course of human history. The extermination of humanity by violent machines is unlikely (though not impossible) because sharp distinctions between man and machine will no longer exist thanks to the existence of cybernetically enhanced humans and uploaded humans.




Post-2045: "Waking up" the Universe

* The physical bottom limit to how small computer transistors can be shrunk is reached. From this moment onwards, computers can only be made more powerful if they are made larger in size.
* Because of this, A.I.s convert more and more of the Earth's matter into engineered, computational substrate capable of supporting more A.I.s. until the whole Earth is one, gigantic computer (but some areas will remain set aside as nature preserves).
* At this point, the only possible way to increase the intelligence of the machines any farther is to begin converting all of the matter in the universe into similar massive computers. A.I.s radiate out into space in all directions from the Earth, breaking down whole planets, moons and meteoroids and reassembling them into giant computers. This, in effect, "wakes up" the universe as all the inanimate "dumb" matter (rocks, dust, gases, etc.) is converted into structured matter capable of supporting life (albeit synthetic life).
* Kurzweil predicts that machines will have the ability to make planet-sized computers by 2099, which underscores how enormously technology will advance after the Singularity.
* The process of "waking up" the universe will be complete as early as 2199.
* With the entire universe made into a giant, highly efficient supercomputer, A.I./human hybrids (so integrated that, in truth it is a new category of "life") would have both supreme intelligence and physical control over the universe. Kurzweil suggests that this will open up all sorts of new possibilities such as doing the infinitely impossible and beyond.




Some indeterminate point within a few decades from now

* Space technology becomes advanced enough to provide the Earth permanent protection from the threat of asteroid impacts.
* The antitechnology "Luddite" movement will grow increasingly vocal and possibly resort to violence, possibly a new World War, as these people become enraged over the emergence of new technologies that threaten traditional attitudes regarding the nature of human life (radical life extension, genetic engineering, cybernetics) and the supremacy of mankind (artificial intelligence). Though the Luddites might, at best, succeed in delaying the Singularity, the march of technology is irresistible and they will inevitably fail in keeping the world frozen at a fixed level of development. However, some nature preserves may be set aside for them to live in.
* The emergence of distributed energy grids and full-immersion virtual reality will, when combined with high bandwidth Internet, enable the ultimate in telecommuting. This, in turn, will make cities obsolete since workers will no longer need to be located near their workplaces. The decentralization of the population will make societies less vulnerable to terrorist and military attacks.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: dawheat
On topic - I think extending lifespans substantially would result in a fundamental change in society and life. If you can live productively for hundreds of years - would children be a rare sight, what would careers look like, etc.
Careers could be especially interesting - imagine spending 100 years in college. How many Ph.D's could you rack up in that time? How many B.S. degrees? And then go out into industry with all that. (Or alternate between work and college.) So much cross-training by itself could give rise to still more new technologies.




Because of this, A.I.s convert more and more of the Earth's matter into engineered, computational substrate capable of supporting more A.I.s. until the whole Earth is one, gigantic computer (but some areas will remain set aside as nature preserves).
And it is of course then blown up by a bypass-construction crew. ;)


 

bamacre

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Jul 1, 2004
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Originally posted by: theflyingpig
Originally posted by: Smartazz

But I'm arguing that it doesn't making a difference whether or not people believe in religion. It holds certain people back, but not everyone. The people advancing society aren't being held back completely by it.

It does make a difference. Open your eyes, my friend. The stupidity of religion infests nearly every aspect of our society. I would have no problem if people just practiced their religion quietly, but that is not the case. The fools come out to voice their ignorant opinions at every opportunity. They corrupt their children's minds with religious garbage, ensuring the continuation of stupidity for generations to come. This madness must end. Only then will humanity advance. Everyone knows this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...%27s_Research_Hospital
 

eldorado99

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Feb 16, 2004
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Originally posted by: TruePaige
2010

* Supercomputers will have the same raw power as human brains (although not yet the equivalently flexible software).
* Computers will disappear as distinct physical objects, meaning many will have nontraditional shapes and/or will be embedded in clothing and everyday objects.
* Full-immersion audio-visual virtual reality will exist.





2010s

* Computers become smaller and increasingly integrated into everyday life.
* More and more computer devices will be used as miniature web servers, and more will have their resources pooled for computation.
* High-quality broadband Internet access will become available almost everywhere.
* Eyeglasses that beam images onto the users' retinas to produce virtual reality will be developed. They will also come with speakers or headphone attachments that will complete the experience with sounds. These eyeglasses will become a new medium for advertising as advertising will be wirelessly transmitted to them as one walks by various business establishments.
* The VR glasses will also have built-in computers featuring "virtual assistant" programs that can help the user with various daily tasks. (see Augmented Reality)
* Virtual assistants would be capable of multiple functions. One useful function would be real-time language translation in which words spoken in a foreign language would be translated into text that would appear as subtitles to a user wearing the glasses.
* Cell phones will be built into clothing and will be able to project sounds directly into the ears of their users.
* Advertisements will utilize a new technology whereby two ultrasonic beams can be targeted to intersect at a specific point, delivering a localized sound message that only a single person can hear. This was demonstrated in the films Minority Report and Back to the Future 2. See Sound from ultrasound.


2014

* Automatic house cleaning robots will have become common.


2018

* 10 Terabits (1013 bits) of computer memory?roughly the equivalent of the memory space in a single human brain--will cost $1000.


2020

* Personal computers will have the same processing power as human brains.





2020s

* Computers less than 100 nm in size will be possible.
* As one of their first practical applications, nanomachines will be used for medical purposes.
* Highly advanced medical nanobots will perform detailed brainscans on live patients.
* Accurate computer simulations of the entire human brain will exist due to these hyperaccurate brainscans, and the workings of the brain will be understood.
* Nanobots capable of entering the bloodstream to "feed" cells and extract waste will exist (though not necessarily be in wide use) by the end of this decade. They will make the normal mode of human food consumption obsolete. Thus, humans who have injected these nanobots into their bloodstream will evolve from having a normal human metabolism and become humanoid cyborgs. Eventually, according to Kurzweil, a large percentage of humans will evolve by this process into cyborgs.
* By the late 2020s, nanotech-based manufacturing will be in widespread use, radically altering the economy as all sorts of products can suddenly be produced for a fraction of their traditional-manufacture costs. The true cost of any product is now the amount it takes to download the design schematics.
* Also by the later part of this decade, virtual reality will be so high-quality that it will be indistinguishable from reality.
* The threat posed by genetically engineered pathogens permanently dissipates by the end of this decade as medical nanobots--far more durable, intelligent and capable than any microorganism--become sufficiently advanced.
* A computer will pass the Turing test by the last year of the decade (2029), meaning that it is a Strong AI and can think like a human (though the first A.I. is likely to be the equivalent of a kindergartner). This first A.I. is built around a computer simulation of a human brain, which was made possible by previous, nanotech-guided brainscanning.




2025

* The most likely year for the debut of advanced nanotechnology.
* Some military UAVs and land vehicles will be 100% computer-controlled.






2030s

* Mind uploading becomes possible.
* Nanomachines could be directly inserted into the brain and could interact with brain cells to totally control incoming and outgoing signals. As a result, truly full-immersion virtual reality could be generated without the need for any external equipment. Afferent nerve pathways could be blocked, totally canceling out the "real" world and leaving the user with only the desired virtual experience.
* Brain nanobots could also elicit emotional responses from users.
* Using brain nanobots, recorded or real-time brain transmissions of a person's daily life known as "experience beamers" will be available for other people to remotely experience. This is very similar to how the characters in Being John Malkovich were able to enter the mind of Malkovich and see the world through his eyes.
* Recreational uses aside, nanomachines in peoples' brains will allow them to greatly expand their cognitive, memory and sensory capabilities, to directly interface with computers, and to "telepathically" communicate with other, similarly augmented humans via wireless networks.
* The economy transits in GDP percentage to more meta services such as reality fabrication, mind enhancement, mental software. The GDP percentile of simulated, beamed, and augmented pornography will increase from 0.5% to over 10%, as production techniques reduce physical production costs of real things.
* The same nanotechnology should also allow people to alter the neural connections within their brains, changing the underlying basis for the person's intelligence, memories and personality.





2040s

* Human body 3.0 (as Kurzweil calls it) comes into existence. It lacks a fixed, corporeal form and can alter its shape and external appearance at will via foglet-like nanotechnology. Organs are also replaced by superior cybernetic implants.
* There will be social splitting into different levels of use of reality argumentation, from those who want to live in a life of imagined harems, or those who dedicate their thoughts to philosophical extension. Human society will drift apart in its focus, but with ever increasing capabilities to make imagined things occur.
* People spend most of their time in full-immersion virtual reality (Kurzweil has cited The Matrix as a good example of what the advanced virtual worlds will be like, without the dystopian twist).
* Foglets are in use.






2045: The Singularity

* $1000 buys a computer a billion times more powerful than the human brain. This means that average and even low-end computers are hugely smarter than even highly intelligent, unenhanced humans.
* The Singularity occurs as artificial intelligences surpass human beings as the smartest and most capable life forms on the Earth. Technological development is taken over by the machines, who can think, act and communicate so quickly that normal humans cannot even comprehend what is going on; thus the machines, acting in concert with those humans who have evolved into postbiological cyborgs, achieve effective world domination. The machines enter into a "runaway reaction" of self-improvement cycles, with each new generation of A.I.s appearing faster and faster. From this point onwards, technological advancement is explosive, under the control of the machines, and thus cannot be accurately predicted.
* The Singularity is an extremely disruptive, world-altering event that forever changes the course of human history. The extermination of humanity by violent machines is unlikely (though not impossible) because sharp distinctions between man and machine will no longer exist thanks to the existence of cybernetically enhanced humans and uploaded humans.




Post-2045: "Waking up" the Universe

* The physical bottom limit to how small computer transistors can be shrunk is reached. From this moment onwards, computers can only be made more powerful if they are made larger in size.
* Because of this, A.I.s convert more and more of the Earth's matter into engineered, computational substrate capable of supporting more A.I.s. until the whole Earth is one, gigantic computer (but some areas will remain set aside as nature preserves).
* At this point, the only possible way to increase the intelligence of the machines any farther is to begin converting all of the matter in the universe into similar massive computers. A.I.s radiate out into space in all directions from the Earth, breaking down whole planets, moons and meteoroids and reassembling them into giant computers. This, in effect, "wakes up" the universe as all the inanimate "dumb" matter (rocks, dust, gases, etc.) is converted into structured matter capable of supporting life (albeit synthetic life).
* Kurzweil predicts that machines will have the ability to make planet-sized computers by 2099, which underscores how enormously technology will advance after the Singularity.
* The process of "waking up" the universe will be complete as early as 2199.
* With the entire universe made into a giant, highly efficient supercomputer, A.I./human hybrids (so integrated that, in truth it is a new category of "life") would have both supreme intelligence and physical control over the universe. Kurzweil suggests that this will open up all sorts of new possibilities such as doing the infinitely impossible and beyond.




Some indeterminate point within a few decades from now

* Space technology becomes advanced enough to provide the Earth permanent protection from the threat of asteroid impacts.
* The antitechnology "Luddite" movement will grow increasingly vocal and possibly resort to violence, possibly a new World War, as these people become enraged over the emergence of new technologies that threaten traditional attitudes regarding the nature of human life (radical life extension, genetic engineering, cybernetics) and the supremacy of mankind (artificial intelligence). Though the Luddites might, at best, succeed in delaying the Singularity, the march of technology is irresistible and they will inevitably fail in keeping the world frozen at a fixed level of development. However, some nature preserves may be set aside for them to live in.
* The emergence of distributed energy grids and full-immersion virtual reality will, when combined with high bandwidth Internet, enable the ultimate in telecommuting. This, in turn, will make cities obsolete since workers will no longer need to be located near their workplaces. The decentralization of the population will make societies less vulnerable to terrorist and military attacks.

There are plenty of problems with these predictions, the largest of which I can recognize quickly is the lack of recognition of quantum mechanics or computing, also the fact that we still do not the least bit understand dark matter or energy, or even come close to understanding how we may harness them in the future, which is what I believe may be our next biggest breakthrough, (though it may take 100 years or more).
 

TruePaige

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Originally posted by: eldorado99
Originally posted by: TruePaige
2010

* Supercomputers will have the same raw power as human brains (although not yet the equivalently flexible software).
* Computers will disappear as distinct physical objects, meaning many will have nontraditional shapes and/or will be embedded in clothing and everyday objects.
* Full-immersion audio-visual virtual reality will exist.





2010s

* Computers become smaller and increasingly integrated into everyday life.
* More and more computer devices will be used as miniature web servers, and more will have their resources pooled for computation.
* High-quality broadband Internet access will become available almost everywhere.
* Eyeglasses that beam images onto the users' retinas to produce virtual reality will be developed. They will also come with speakers or headphone attachments that will complete the experience with sounds. These eyeglasses will become a new medium for advertising as advertising will be wirelessly transmitted to them as one walks by various business establishments.
* The VR glasses will also have built-in computers featuring "virtual assistant" programs that can help the user with various daily tasks. (see Augmented Reality)
* Virtual assistants would be capable of multiple functions. One useful function would be real-time language translation in which words spoken in a foreign language would be translated into text that would appear as subtitles to a user wearing the glasses.
* Cell phones will be built into clothing and will be able to project sounds directly into the ears of their users.
* Advertisements will utilize a new technology whereby two ultrasonic beams can be targeted to intersect at a specific point, delivering a localized sound message that only a single person can hear. This was demonstrated in the films Minority Report and Back to the Future 2. See Sound from ultrasound.


2014

* Automatic house cleaning robots will have become common.


2018

* 10 Terabits (1013 bits) of computer memory?roughly the equivalent of the memory space in a single human brain--will cost $1000.


2020

* Personal computers will have the same processing power as human brains.





2020s

* Computers less than 100 nm in size will be possible.
* As one of their first practical applications, nanomachines will be used for medical purposes.
* Highly advanced medical nanobots will perform detailed brainscans on live patients.
* Accurate computer simulations of the entire human brain will exist due to these hyperaccurate brainscans, and the workings of the brain will be understood.
* Nanobots capable of entering the bloodstream to "feed" cells and extract waste will exist (though not necessarily be in wide use) by the end of this decade. They will make the normal mode of human food consumption obsolete. Thus, humans who have injected these nanobots into their bloodstream will evolve from having a normal human metabolism and become humanoid cyborgs. Eventually, according to Kurzweil, a large percentage of humans will evolve by this process into cyborgs.
* By the late 2020s, nanotech-based manufacturing will be in widespread use, radically altering the economy as all sorts of products can suddenly be produced for a fraction of their traditional-manufacture costs. The true cost of any product is now the amount it takes to download the design schematics.
* Also by the later part of this decade, virtual reality will be so high-quality that it will be indistinguishable from reality.
* The threat posed by genetically engineered pathogens permanently dissipates by the end of this decade as medical nanobots--far more durable, intelligent and capable than any microorganism--become sufficiently advanced.
* A computer will pass the Turing test by the last year of the decade (2029), meaning that it is a Strong AI and can think like a human (though the first A.I. is likely to be the equivalent of a kindergartner). This first A.I. is built around a computer simulation of a human brain, which was made possible by previous, nanotech-guided brainscanning.




2025

* The most likely year for the debut of advanced nanotechnology.
* Some military UAVs and land vehicles will be 100% computer-controlled.






2030s

* Mind uploading becomes possible.
* Nanomachines could be directly inserted into the brain and could interact with brain cells to totally control incoming and outgoing signals. As a result, truly full-immersion virtual reality could be generated without the need for any external equipment. Afferent nerve pathways could be blocked, totally canceling out the "real" world and leaving the user with only the desired virtual experience.
* Brain nanobots could also elicit emotional responses from users.
* Using brain nanobots, recorded or real-time brain transmissions of a person's daily life known as "experience beamers" will be available for other people to remotely experience. This is very similar to how the characters in Being John Malkovich were able to enter the mind of Malkovich and see the world through his eyes.
* Recreational uses aside, nanomachines in peoples' brains will allow them to greatly expand their cognitive, memory and sensory capabilities, to directly interface with computers, and to "telepathically" communicate with other, similarly augmented humans via wireless networks.
* The economy transits in GDP percentage to more meta services such as reality fabrication, mind enhancement, mental software. The GDP percentile of simulated, beamed, and augmented pornography will increase from 0.5% to over 10%, as production techniques reduce physical production costs of real things.
* The same nanotechnology should also allow people to alter the neural connections within their brains, changing the underlying basis for the person's intelligence, memories and personality.





2040s

* Human body 3.0 (as Kurzweil calls it) comes into existence. It lacks a fixed, corporeal form and can alter its shape and external appearance at will via foglet-like nanotechnology. Organs are also replaced by superior cybernetic implants.
* There will be social splitting into different levels of use of reality argumentation, from those who want to live in a life of imagined harems, or those who dedicate their thoughts to philosophical extension. Human society will drift apart in its focus, but with ever increasing capabilities to make imagined things occur.
* People spend most of their time in full-immersion virtual reality (Kurzweil has cited The Matrix as a good example of what the advanced virtual worlds will be like, without the dystopian twist).
* Foglets are in use.






2045: The Singularity

* $1000 buys a computer a billion times more powerful than the human brain. This means that average and even low-end computers are hugely smarter than even highly intelligent, unenhanced humans.
* The Singularity occurs as artificial intelligences surpass human beings as the smartest and most capable life forms on the Earth. Technological development is taken over by the machines, who can think, act and communicate so quickly that normal humans cannot even comprehend what is going on; thus the machines, acting in concert with those humans who have evolved into postbiological cyborgs, achieve effective world domination. The machines enter into a "runaway reaction" of self-improvement cycles, with each new generation of A.I.s appearing faster and faster. From this point onwards, technological advancement is explosive, under the control of the machines, and thus cannot be accurately predicted.
* The Singularity is an extremely disruptive, world-altering event that forever changes the course of human history. The extermination of humanity by violent machines is unlikely (though not impossible) because sharp distinctions between man and machine will no longer exist thanks to the existence of cybernetically enhanced humans and uploaded humans.




Post-2045: "Waking up" the Universe

* The physical bottom limit to how small computer transistors can be shrunk is reached. From this moment onwards, computers can only be made more powerful if they are made larger in size.
* Because of this, A.I.s convert more and more of the Earth's matter into engineered, computational substrate capable of supporting more A.I.s. until the whole Earth is one, gigantic computer (but some areas will remain set aside as nature preserves).
* At this point, the only possible way to increase the intelligence of the machines any farther is to begin converting all of the matter in the universe into similar massive computers. A.I.s radiate out into space in all directions from the Earth, breaking down whole planets, moons and meteoroids and reassembling them into giant computers. This, in effect, "wakes up" the universe as all the inanimate "dumb" matter (rocks, dust, gases, etc.) is converted into structured matter capable of supporting life (albeit synthetic life).
* Kurzweil predicts that machines will have the ability to make planet-sized computers by 2099, which underscores how enormously technology will advance after the Singularity.
* The process of "waking up" the universe will be complete as early as 2199.
* With the entire universe made into a giant, highly efficient supercomputer, A.I./human hybrids (so integrated that, in truth it is a new category of "life") would have both supreme intelligence and physical control over the universe. Kurzweil suggests that this will open up all sorts of new possibilities such as doing the infinitely impossible and beyond.




Some indeterminate point within a few decades from now

* Space technology becomes advanced enough to provide the Earth permanent protection from the threat of asteroid impacts.
* The antitechnology "Luddite" movement will grow increasingly vocal and possibly resort to violence, possibly a new World War, as these people become enraged over the emergence of new technologies that threaten traditional attitudes regarding the nature of human life (radical life extension, genetic engineering, cybernetics) and the supremacy of mankind (artificial intelligence). Though the Luddites might, at best, succeed in delaying the Singularity, the march of technology is irresistible and they will inevitably fail in keeping the world frozen at a fixed level of development. However, some nature preserves may be set aside for them to live in.
* The emergence of distributed energy grids and full-immersion virtual reality will, when combined with high bandwidth Internet, enable the ultimate in telecommuting. This, in turn, will make cities obsolete since workers will no longer need to be located near their workplaces. The decentralization of the population will make societies less vulnerable to terrorist and military attacks.

There are plenty of problems with these predictions, the largest of which I can recognize quickly is the lack of recognition of quantum mechanics or computing, also the fact that we still do not the least bit understand dark matter or energy, or even come close to understanding how we may harness them in the future, which is what I believe may be our next biggest breakthrough, (though it may take 100 years or more).

The Singularity is Now seems well researched to me.

Looking at all those predictions, could you point out which one seems problematic? I looked over them all and didn't see a single one, but think you may be referring to the waking up of the universe.
 

Molondo

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Wireless power transfer on a large scale and commercial. Alternative fuel energy
 

eldorado99

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Originally posted by: TruePaige

The Singularity is Now seems well researched to me.

Looking at all those predictions, could you point out which one seems problematic? I looked over them all and didn't see a single one, but think you may be referring to the waking up of the universe.

The one I really didn't like was how it implied one of our biggest downfalls (or problems anyway) would be that we would fill the entire universe with computers. I just don't see that happening ever. Like I said mainly because of quantum computing, and even with traditional computers, that still ain't ever gonna happen.

EDIT: The other problem I had was that some of those predictions are too far reaching to have a realistic perspective, and I don't feel are capable of being accurate.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: So
1. Self replicating nanorobots. If you can build anything at the atomic level at home for virtually free, manufacturing will go de-centralized like IP did with the internet.

and in the process, we all die
 

TruePaige

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Originally posted by: eldorado99
Originally posted by: TruePaige

The Singularity is Now seems well researched to me.

Looking at all those predictions, could you point out which one seems problematic? I looked over them all and didn't see a single one, but think you may be referring to the waking up of the universe.

The one I really didn't like was how it implied one of our biggest downfalls (or problems anyway) would be that we would fill the entire universe with computers. I just don't see that happening ever. Like I said mainly because of quantum computing, and even with traditional computers, that still ain't ever gonna happen.

EDIT: The other problem I had was that some of those predictions are too far reaching to have a realistic perspective, and I don't feel are capable of being accurate.

It's not supposed to be a downfall though, we will be able to control the universe, live forever, and save the universe from dying.

We can do anything with enough time and knowledge. :)

Here are some nice charts he provides:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...Growthof_Computing.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...oSingularityLinear.jpg
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: eldorado99
Originally posted by: TruePaige

The Singularity is Now seems well researched to me.

Looking at all those predictions, could you point out which one seems problematic? I looked over them all and didn't see a single one, but think you may be referring to the waking up of the universe.

The one I really didn't like was how it implied one of our biggest downfalls (or problems anyway) would be that we would fill the entire universe with computers. I just don't see that happening ever. Like I said mainly because of quantum computing, and even with traditional computers, that still ain't ever gonna happen.

EDIT: The other problem I had was that some of those predictions are too far reaching to have a realistic perspective, and I don't feel are capable of being accurate.

the fact that another species hasn't already done this means that the prediction is false.
 

TruePaige

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: eldorado99
Originally posted by: TruePaige

The Singularity is Now seems well researched to me.

Looking at all those predictions, could you point out which one seems problematic? I looked over them all and didn't see a single one, but think you may be referring to the waking up of the universe.

The one I really didn't like was how it implied one of our biggest downfalls (or problems anyway) would be that we would fill the entire universe with computers. I just don't see that happening ever. Like I said mainly because of quantum computing, and even with traditional computers, that still ain't ever gonna happen.

EDIT: The other problem I had was that some of those predictions are too far reaching to have a realistic perspective, and I don't feel are capable of being accurate.

the fact that another species hasn't already done this means that the prediction is false.

Why's that?

Seems like a rational thought.

Not sure if we'll get there though, we have a lot of useless bickering/fighting/greed/war/destruction/waste/ignorance/etc... in our species.
 

flexy

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Originally posted by: darkxshade
How about a pill that induces an orgasm that lasts for as long as you like without all the mess?

You realize it would totally destroy society? :) I am not even joking...
This would be worse than the worst drug.
 

MikeMike

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Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: eldorado99
Originally posted by: TruePaige
2010

* Supercomputers will have the same raw power as human brains (although not yet the equivalently flexible software).
* Computers will disappear as distinct physical objects, meaning many will have nontraditional shapes and/or will be embedded in clothing and everyday objects.
* Full-immersion audio-visual virtual reality will exist.





2010s

* Computers become smaller and increasingly integrated into everyday life.
* More and more computer devices will be used as miniature web servers, and more will have their resources pooled for computation.
* High-quality broadband Internet access will become available almost everywhere.
* Eyeglasses that beam images onto the users' retinas to produce virtual reality will be developed. They will also come with speakers or headphone attachments that will complete the experience with sounds. These eyeglasses will become a new medium for advertising as advertising will be wirelessly transmitted to them as one walks by various business establishments.
* The VR glasses will also have built-in computers featuring "virtual assistant" programs that can help the user with various daily tasks. (see Augmented Reality)
* Virtual assistants would be capable of multiple functions. One useful function would be real-time language translation in which words spoken in a foreign language would be translated into text that would appear as subtitles to a user wearing the glasses.
* Cell phones will be built into clothing and will be able to project sounds directly into the ears of their users.
* Advertisements will utilize a new technology whereby two ultrasonic beams can be targeted to intersect at a specific point, delivering a localized sound message that only a single person can hear. This was demonstrated in the films Minority Report and Back to the Future 2. See Sound from ultrasound.


2014

* Automatic house cleaning robots will have become common.


2018

* 10 Terabits (1013 bits) of computer memory?roughly the equivalent of the memory space in a single human brain--will cost $1000.


2020

* Personal computers will have the same processing power as human brains.





2020s

* Computers less than 100 nm in size will be possible.
* As one of their first practical applications, nanomachines will be used for medical purposes.
* Highly advanced medical nanobots will perform detailed brainscans on live patients.
* Accurate computer simulations of the entire human brain will exist due to these hyperaccurate brainscans, and the workings of the brain will be understood.
* Nanobots capable of entering the bloodstream to "feed" cells and extract waste will exist (though not necessarily be in wide use) by the end of this decade. They will make the normal mode of human food consumption obsolete. Thus, humans who have injected these nanobots into their bloodstream will evolve from having a normal human metabolism and become humanoid cyborgs. Eventually, according to Kurzweil, a large percentage of humans will evolve by this process into cyborgs.
* By the late 2020s, nanotech-based manufacturing will be in widespread use, radically altering the economy as all sorts of products can suddenly be produced for a fraction of their traditional-manufacture costs. The true cost of any product is now the amount it takes to download the design schematics.
* Also by the later part of this decade, virtual reality will be so high-quality that it will be indistinguishable from reality.
* The threat posed by genetically engineered pathogens permanently dissipates by the end of this decade as medical nanobots--far more durable, intelligent and capable than any microorganism--become sufficiently advanced.
* A computer will pass the Turing test by the last year of the decade (2029), meaning that it is a Strong AI and can think like a human (though the first A.I. is likely to be the equivalent of a kindergartner). This first A.I. is built around a computer simulation of a human brain, which was made possible by previous, nanotech-guided brainscanning.




2025

* The most likely year for the debut of advanced nanotechnology.
* Some military UAVs and land vehicles will be 100% computer-controlled.






2030s

* Mind uploading becomes possible.
* Nanomachines could be directly inserted into the brain and could interact with brain cells to totally control incoming and outgoing signals. As a result, truly full-immersion virtual reality could be generated without the need for any external equipment. Afferent nerve pathways could be blocked, totally canceling out the "real" world and leaving the user with only the desired virtual experience.
* Brain nanobots could also elicit emotional responses from users.
* Using brain nanobots, recorded or real-time brain transmissions of a person's daily life known as "experience beamers" will be available for other people to remotely experience. This is very similar to how the characters in Being John Malkovich were able to enter the mind of Malkovich and see the world through his eyes.
* Recreational uses aside, nanomachines in peoples' brains will allow them to greatly expand their cognitive, memory and sensory capabilities, to directly interface with computers, and to "telepathically" communicate with other, similarly augmented humans via wireless networks.
* The economy transits in GDP percentage to more meta services such as reality fabrication, mind enhancement, mental software. The GDP percentile of simulated, beamed, and augmented pornography will increase from 0.5% to over 10%, as production techniques reduce physical production costs of real things.
* The same nanotechnology should also allow people to alter the neural connections within their brains, changing the underlying basis for the person's intelligence, memories and personality.





2040s

* Human body 3.0 (as Kurzweil calls it) comes into existence. It lacks a fixed, corporeal form and can alter its shape and external appearance at will via foglet-like nanotechnology. Organs are also replaced by superior cybernetic implants.
* There will be social splitting into different levels of use of reality argumentation, from those who want to live in a life of imagined harems, or those who dedicate their thoughts to philosophical extension. Human society will drift apart in its focus, but with ever increasing capabilities to make imagined things occur.
* People spend most of their time in full-immersion virtual reality (Kurzweil has cited The Matrix as a good example of what the advanced virtual worlds will be like, without the dystopian twist).
* Foglets are in use.






2045: The Singularity

* $1000 buys a computer a billion times more powerful than the human brain. This means that average and even low-end computers are hugely smarter than even highly intelligent, unenhanced humans.
* The Singularity occurs as artificial intelligences surpass human beings as the smartest and most capable life forms on the Earth. Technological development is taken over by the machines, who can think, act and communicate so quickly that normal humans cannot even comprehend what is going on; thus the machines, acting in concert with those humans who have evolved into postbiological cyborgs, achieve effective world domination. The machines enter into a "runaway reaction" of self-improvement cycles, with each new generation of A.I.s appearing faster and faster. From this point onwards, technological advancement is explosive, under the control of the machines, and thus cannot be accurately predicted.
* The Singularity is an extremely disruptive, world-altering event that forever changes the course of human history. The extermination of humanity by violent machines is unlikely (though not impossible) because sharp distinctions between man and machine will no longer exist thanks to the existence of cybernetically enhanced humans and uploaded humans.




Post-2045: "Waking up" the Universe

* The physical bottom limit to how small computer transistors can be shrunk is reached. From this moment onwards, computers can only be made more powerful if they are made larger in size.
* Because of this, A.I.s convert more and more of the Earth's matter into engineered, computational substrate capable of supporting more A.I.s. until the whole Earth is one, gigantic computer (but some areas will remain set aside as nature preserves).
* At this point, the only possible way to increase the intelligence of the machines any farther is to begin converting all of the matter in the universe into similar massive computers. A.I.s radiate out into space in all directions from the Earth, breaking down whole planets, moons and meteoroids and reassembling them into giant computers. This, in effect, "wakes up" the universe as all the inanimate "dumb" matter (rocks, dust, gases, etc.) is converted into structured matter capable of supporting life (albeit synthetic life).
* Kurzweil predicts that machines will have the ability to make planet-sized computers by 2099, which underscores how enormously technology will advance after the Singularity.
* The process of "waking up" the universe will be complete as early as 2199.
* With the entire universe made into a giant, highly efficient supercomputer, A.I./human hybrids (so integrated that, in truth it is a new category of "life") would have both supreme intelligence and physical control over the universe. Kurzweil suggests that this will open up all sorts of new possibilities such as doing the infinitely impossible and beyond.




Some indeterminate point within a few decades from now

* Space technology becomes advanced enough to provide the Earth permanent protection from the threat of asteroid impacts.
* The antitechnology "Luddite" movement will grow increasingly vocal and possibly resort to violence, possibly a new World War, as these people become enraged over the emergence of new technologies that threaten traditional attitudes regarding the nature of human life (radical life extension, genetic engineering, cybernetics) and the supremacy of mankind (artificial intelligence). Though the Luddites might, at best, succeed in delaying the Singularity, the march of technology is irresistible and they will inevitably fail in keeping the world frozen at a fixed level of development. However, some nature preserves may be set aside for them to live in.
* The emergence of distributed energy grids and full-immersion virtual reality will, when combined with high bandwidth Internet, enable the ultimate in telecommuting. This, in turn, will make cities obsolete since workers will no longer need to be located near their workplaces. The decentralization of the population will make societies less vulnerable to terrorist and military attacks.

There are plenty of problems with these predictions, the largest of which I can recognize quickly is the lack of recognition of quantum mechanics or computing, also the fact that we still do not the least bit understand dark matter or energy, or even come close to understanding how we may harness them in the future, which is what I believe may be our next biggest breakthrough, (though it may take 100 years or more).

The Singularity is Now seems well researched to me.

Looking at all those predictions, could you point out which one seems problematic? I looked over them all and didn't see a single one, but think you may be referring to the waking up of the universe.

so what he is saying is that we will CREATE an EVOLVED being?
 

PlasmaBomb

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Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: Smartazz
Originally posted by: Platypus
stem cells

Good call, although I can't see it changing life as we know it. Btw, how did your post end up above mine?

Behold the miracle of stem cells. Now do you believe they are life changing?

This should have been Smartazz's response...
 

PlasmaBomb

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Originally posted by: Smartazz
Originally posted by: theflyingpig
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: theflyingpig
The next major advancement for mankind will be the realization that there is no God, and that all religion is a pursuit of foolishness. Only when we achieve this, will we be released from the confines of stupidity. Everyone knows this.

Do you say this stuff just to say it, or do you really think that's an advancement?



Anyway, I think our understanding of quantum mechanics is going to bring about amazing breakthroughs in the next 100 years. Also, propulsion technology that is able to take us to other planets cheaply and quickly will be huge.

Of course it would be an advancement. It would be like children realizing that there is no Santa. Religion has held the human race back for thousands of years. It is time for it to end. Everyone knows this.

But I'm arguing that it doesn't making a difference whether or not people believe in religion. It holds certain people back, but not everyone. The people advancing society aren't being held back completely by it.

So why don't we have stem cell technology yet...? Oh yeah because Bush banned it to keep the bible belt happy.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: Smartazz
Originally posted by: theflyingpig
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: theflyingpig
The next major advancement for mankind will be the realization that there is no God, and that all religion is a pursuit of foolishness. Only when we achieve this, will we be released from the confines of stupidity. Everyone knows this.

Do you say this stuff just to say it, or do you really think that's an advancement?



Anyway, I think our understanding of quantum mechanics is going to bring about amazing breakthroughs in the next 100 years. Also, propulsion technology that is able to take us to other planets cheaply and quickly will be huge.

Of course it would be an advancement. It would be like children realizing that there is no Santa. Religion has held the human race back for thousands of years. It is time for it to end. Everyone knows this.

But I'm arguing that it doesn't making a difference whether or not people believe in religion. It holds certain people back, but not everyone. The people advancing society aren't being held back completely by it.

Exactly. People aren't governed by religion the way they were 300 years ago.
Not to mention he's failed to explain why it would actually be better for the human race as a whole to know unequivocally that they are purely the result of chemical reactions and physics influences and they are of literally no more merit to the universe at all than a rock or a tree and it doesn't care about them now and never has and never will.