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Will Ichiro do it?

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
I'll bet you $10,000 that Ichiro smashes Sisler's record in 154 games.
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I think you owe the man some money. 😉

He's been hitting at a fairly constant 1 hit/game (other than last night, anyway), so he should have it by Saturday (of course, given that Sunday is the M's last game of the season, that's pretty close). He could just bust out 5 hits tonight too. It'll be very interesting to watch.
 
Originally posted by: Kev
damn, SP33Demon, i'm glad you're an eagles fan cause I would sure hate to argue against you.

btw what is the "dead ball" era, i know nothing about baseball
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Thanks, I really follow baseball more than football though... but debating football is fun too.

Dead Ball Era.

Basically, pitchers dominated in the dead ball era because the type of ball used made it hard to hit homeruns. Most pitching records were set in either the 1800's or the deadball era. Sisler's hit record was set the year after they did away with this "dead" ball (1920), and then he started his torrid hitting throughout the 1920's.
 
Originally posted by: Strang
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
I'll bet you $10,000 that Ichiro smashes Sisler's record in 154 games.
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I think you owe the man some money. 😉

He's been hitting at a fairly constant 1 hit/game (other than last night, anyway), so he should have it by Saturday (of course, given that Sunday is the M's last game of the season, that's pretty close). He could just bust out 5 hits tonight too. It'll be very interesting to watch.
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LoL, the bet was if all pitchers facing Ichiro pitched the whole game, so bet's off 😉

Yeah, I think he'll do it either Friday or Saturday. Quite an accomplishment...

 
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
you are wrong, the league ERA was higher than today's modern ERA.
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Actually you are wrong. 2004 league ERA (AL or NL) is higher than 1920 or 1922, Sisler's two biggest seasons. Maybe you have a different MLB record book than I do, one with a chapter entitled "Horrendous 1920's Pitchers."

And you're way off in your idea of what 1920's pitching was. There's some interesting stuff I saw recently on estimating pitches thrown, and the few staff workhorses of the early 20's I just looked at seemed to average in the neighborhood of 120-130 pitches per start. The bulk of the starters were in the 200-275 IP range. None of that is out of line with a lot of pitchers up until the 70's when the closer was developed, and then in the 80's and 90's with 5 man rotations and finally today when babying starters with 100-110 pitch limits has become the norm.

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Like I said, make starting pitchers pitch the whole game, and I'll bet you 10 Grand that Ichiro would beat Sisler's 154 game record.
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Do we get to cull the current ~150 starters down to the ~70 best, divide them into 2 8-team leagues, and give them a full knees-to-letters strike zone, no DH to waste pitches on, and a pre-1969 mound like Sisler had to deal with?
 
The amount of pooh-poohing by the sports media is starting to annoy me. This record is going to be incredibly polarizing between the people saying that anyone could hit that many singles if that's all they focused on vs. people who acknowledge how impressive it is. Regardless of the advantages and disadvantages of the Dead Ball Era and today, it's impressive in that no one else has managed to do anything close (and I don't consider 240 or 242 hits to be that close) in 80-some years. It only took, what, 30-some years for Ruth's single season HR record to be broken (and only another 30-some years for that record to fall). Instead of that, the bulk of the press seems to want to use this as an excuse to piss on Ichiro for being voted MVP in 2001, heh.
 
In statistics we were shown an example like this. It showed Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, and whoever was at the top during 2001. Then, it showed them in relation to a plot with _all_ professional baseball players at the time.

The lesson showed that the guy in 2001 was better in relation to his peers than the others were, because all of the complicated pitching techniques just weren't around.
 
Originally posted by: MalikChen
In statistics we were shown an example like this. It showed Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, and whoever was at the top during 2001. Then, it showed them in relation to a plot with _all_ professional baseball players at the time.

The lesson showed that the guy in 2001 was better in relation to his peers than the others were, because all of the complicated pitching techniques just weren't around.
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for some reason i just don't think an example in your statistics class should be taken more seriously then the other mounds of research that has been done on this topic in the past decade

 
Welp, that does it, just bought tickets for tomorrow's game. He's one away from the record, so hopefully he'll at least tie it tomorrow. 😉
 
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