Will Georgia indict? May find out tonight! Update: Posted Jan 9 finally indicted Aug 14.

[Moonbeam]

I don't agree. Its just that most people don't want to call shitty people out, largely because of the hassle or it causing the shittiness to get redirected their way.

I've experienced this first hand with friends and family where they refuse to believe someone is lying or worse and I have to prove it to them and they still refuse to believe it or hold the people accountable. Stuff like lies (and being caught blatantly doing so in ways that can be irrefutably proven), and stuff like stealing thousands of dollars and again being caught red handed and people just do not want to accept it or deal with it.

These people aren't charming or good at manipulation. Its much more that no one wants to have to deal with such bullshit. In some instances they can't because people will report the stuff but some other idiot decides they'd rather look the other way, or the person has enough power/money so that it doesn't go anywhere.



People say the same thing about serial killers and other monsters and its always baffling to me. They aren't charming (they overhwelmingly show their true selves such that even the most naive person sees who they are), its just that most people don't actually want to believe people are lying to them or worse, or no one wants to really call out their bullshit because society at large doesn't hold monsters accountable until they do something truly monstrous (and the more of a monster they are the more proof they need to do that), so you put yourself in harms way by calling it out.

Its true whether its shitty spoiled rich kids (who rarely face any consequences), power tripping asshole cops (who shuffle around to different precincts), child molesting priests and others (that get shuffled around to different places instead of held accountable), dipshits that get into the public sector (where they fail their way upwards), and its true on financial scammers (ponzi schemes, etc) where it simply just comes down to them running out of money to keep the charade going that does them in. Oh and same with abusive partners.



I think its worse than that. Most people can't/don't want to be bothered or don't want to have to accept that someone could be shitty and people overwhelmingly don't want to be the ones to do something about it because its a giant pain in the ass to deal with such people because of how ridiculous they are in their lies and other bullshit. And if they have any sort of power or money it can be near impossible to actually hold them accountable for their behavior.

It must really suck for you to be the only person who sees how truly fucked up other people are since the only way I can imagine you could have noticed would be to have seen all that first in yourself.

 

[akugami]

It must really suck for you to be the only person who sees how truly fucked up other people are since the only way I can imagine you could have noticed would be to have seen all that first in yourself.

Aren't you the guy always finding fault with other posters, posting long walls of text full of pyschobabble?

Pot meet kettle.

 

[Moonbeam]

Aren't you the guy always finding fault with other posters, posting long walls of text full of pyschobabble?

Pot meet kettle.

Actually I am not that person. I am a person who has seen in himself things that I show others who don’t see them in themselves because they were brainwashed into thinking that having such things be true about themselves would cause them to feel shame and guilt and I show them those things they don’t want to see because they are not at fault for the fact they are that way and that there is an escape when knowing that.

What is happening then, in your case, is that your interest in blaming me for what is true about you also must be similarly denied and so, for you, the denial takes the form of the charge of psycho babble. This happens with great regularity as one does not have to know very much about one’s self to far surpass what most people understand about themselves. The result, of course, is that since ignorance is another of those truths about ourselves we are loath to admit, the association with stupidity so facilely made, anyone expressing that fact will have to be attacked too.

Finally, the post you quoted was not written to express what I believe, but for a completely different reason and would only likely be seen as such by the person to whom it was directed and perhaps not even then.

 

[akugami]

@Moonbeam

You can somehow do deep analysis on what someone else is feeling from a few random post. You feel as if you are so smart that, like some sort of psychologist doing a deep analysis of different posters, and you can see their different pains and tell them how they feel based off a few paragraphs of text in a forum.

At this point, I find the repeated wall of posts with such analysis of different posters on the annoying side. You did it to me, and you did it to others in various threads. In a previous thread, somehow you knew that I hated myself, and some other nonsense, when I spoke out against racist behavior. Now you're doing the same thing to others. Quite frankly, I find your psychobabble analysis to be 100% bullshit.

Let me analyze you in turn. You're one of those fake smart guys who no one liked in real life but desperately wants to fit in. Now that you have a venue where you can be anonymous and can pretend to be a super genius, you feel the need to disparage others with your psychobabble. You put down others to make yourself feel better. As if that rights the injustices done to you, which you feel deep down to your core today. Every time you make such analysis of others, it's because you feel like you're worthless. I'm here to tell you it's OK. There's no need to lash out. Look yourself in the mirror, and say, "I am a wonderful person. I am worth it. I am loved." Do that every day, and every time you want to lash out, and your life will turn around and be better. You can thank me later.

 

[Moonbeam]

@Moonbeam

You can somehow do deep analysis on what someone else is feeling from a few random post. You feel as if you are so smart that, like some sort of psychologist doing a deep analysis of different posters, and you can see their different pains and tell them how they feel based off a few paragraphs of text in a forum.

At this point, I find the repeated wall of posts with such analysis of different posters on the annoying side. You did it to me, and you did it to others in various threads. In a previous thread, somehow you knew that I hated myself, and some other nonsense, when I spoke out against racist behavior. Now you're doing the same thing to others. Quite frankly, I find your psychobabble analysis to be 100% bullshit.

Let me analyze you in turn. You're one of those fake smart guys who no one liked in real life but desperately wants to fit in. Now that you have a venue where you can be anonymous and can pretend to be a super genius, you feel the need to disparage others with your psychobabble. You put down others to make yourself feel better. As if that rights the injustices done to you, which you feel deep down to your core today. Every time you make such analysis of others, it's because you feel like you're worthless. I'm here to tell you it's OK. There's no need to lash out. Look yourself in the mirror, and say, "I am a wonderful person. I am worth it. I am loved." Do that every day, and every time you want to lash out, and your life will turn around and be better. You can thank me later.

How would you feel if you were completely wrong, that the things that you say about me are completely wrong, that the people I interact with love me and turn to me with trust in times they need support? Wouldn’t you feel ashamed of yourself or would you make you even happier thinking your words might hurt me?

What if I were a nobody who has so little of what you think of as self respect, someone so self absent he has no need to look in a mirror with a self affirming story, someone who long ago died to any such hope that self flattery could ever pull me up our of depression and misery? What if I am a person who in the grips of such utter hopelessness simply died to suffering by an experience of grace. Would you know how such a person might love you?

What if such a person were hidden in everyone? Would you not want them to find that god within? Would you want them to be quiet about the possibility of such a transformation for you and everyone else?

What is self love without a self?

So know that I like you and I actually don’t care if you like me. I an not important. Perhaps though, you are to yourself. I can help you with that, I think.

 

[eelw]

How would you feel if you were completely wrong, that the things that you say about me are completely wrong, that the people I interact with love me and turn to me with trust in times they need support? Wouldn’t you feel ashamed of yourself or would you make you even happier thinking your words might hurt me?

lol but that’s his point. He can’t judge you. SO DONT FRIGGEN JUDGE THE REST OF US!!!!

 

[Moonbeam]

lol but that’s his point. He can’t judge you. SO DONT FRIGGEN JUDGE THE REST OF US!!!!

What judgement is that? What have I said?

What I have said is that we do not want to know the truth about ourselves and why that is so.

What have I said as to why it is so?

I have said that the reason is that long ago we were judged to be worthless and we internalized that judgement, that we were made to hate the innocence within us that rebelled against conformity to parental and societal standards.

I have said, then, that we are walking living judgment machines, filled with the most vile and negative revulsion against our own nature, and that the pain of being consciously aware of our own negative self judgement is unbearable.

I have also said that any indication that might raise this unconscious state of self hatred to a conscious level of awareness will bring all that hatred out and project it on the enlightening source in a frantic attempt to reseal and bolt down the door through which that information threatens to escape into the light.

In short, when shown a mirror of truth about our real condition we hate the image we see and blame the mirror and not the lies we believe.

I have judged you. And what is my judgement, that there is nothing wrong with anybody except the judgmental lies they believe and do not want to know they believe about themselves.

Did you but suffer you would not suffer. A saying attributed to Christ.

 

[BoomerD]

Moonie reminds me of one of those people who just wasn’t a science guy in school…so he took every psychology class available.

 

[Moonbeam]

Moline reminds me of one of those people who just wasn’t a science guy in school…so he took every psychology class available.

Who is this Moline? If you meant Moonie sorry to disappoint. I was voted the top science student in my high school, and majored in biochemistry at a prestigious California college. But I left it all to become a seeker. I am a nobody who defeated the Nothing. I won the moment I gave up. There is nowhere to go, nothing to do, nothing to become.

The science of psychology like physics etc is the application of psychological laws in this case to the understanding of human behavior. When you know the laws the rest is easy. You don’t want to know the laws. That is a law.

 

[you2]

Who is this Moline? If you meant Moonie sorry to disappoint. I was voted the top science student in my high school, and majored in biochemistry at a prestigious California college. But I left it all to become a seeker. I am a nobody who defeated the Nothing. I won the moment I gave up. There is nowhere to go, nothing to do, nothing to become.

The science of psychology like physics etc is the application of psychological laws in this case to the understanding of human behavior. When you know the laws the rest is easy. You don’t want to know the laws. That is a law.

Sound more like a loser to me or at least kind of missing a few marbles; might check under the table.

 

[Moonbeam]

Sound more like a loser to me or at least kind of missing a few marbles; might check under the table.

There is another law that suggests that you would. You know the story of the blind men and the elephant, right.

 

[BoomerD]

Who is this Moline? If you meant Moonie sorry to disappoint. I was voted the top science student in my high school, and majored in biochemistry at a prestigious California college. But I left it all to become a seeker. I am a nobody who defeated the Nothing. I won the moment I gave up. There is nowhere to go, nothing to do, nothing to become.

The science of psychology like physics etc is the application of psychological laws in this case to the understanding of human behavior. When you know the laws the rest is easy. You don’t want to know the laws. That is a law.

yeah, damned phone...making typos and stuff...I indeed meant moonie. IMO, psychology is just theory, not facts. There's no actual science behind it.

 

[Amused]

Moline, Moline, Moline, Moline
I'm begging of you please don't hijack this thread
Moline, Moline, Moline, Moline
Please go other places to pontificate about your head

 

[Moonbeam]

Moline, Moline, Moline, Moline
I'm begging of you please don't hijack this thread
Moline, Moline, Moline, Moline
Please go other places to pontificate about your head

By hijack, you must mean, don’t say anything I don’t want to hear, because, not only did I create this thread, but I have done nothing but respond to what others have raised in it, including and especially regarding the nature of cult behavior, the seemingly unbelievable nature of which so many seem not to be able to credit.

So let me ask you instead, rather than pissing and moaning like a spoiled child about being exposed to information that seems likely only to offend your entitled sense of ego, why not make some attempt to give logical reasons that encapsulate your opinions and points of view that go to the heart of what you find wrong with mine.

But be warned, if you do I and I don’t like what you say, I will simply accuse you of pontification.

 

[gothuevos]

Are we awake yet?

And I agree with Carville that some other, younger normie Dem candidate would probably win comfortably against Trump. Dems getting too comfortable/casual with Biden's chances.

Carville: Democrats need to ‘wake the f‑‑‑ up’ about Biden’s 2024 risks

Democratic strategist James Carville is warning his party that President Biden could lose to former President Trump in 2024. “Let’s say the election was November the third of this year. And t…

thehill.com

 

[VashHT]

Are we awake yet?

And I agree with Carville that some other, younger normie Dem candidate would probably win comfortably against Trump. Dems getting too comfortable/casual with Biden's chances.

Carville: Democrats need to ‘wake the f‑‑‑ up’ about Biden’s 2024 risks

Democratic strategist James Carville is warning his party that President Biden could lose to former President Trump in 2024. “Let’s say the election was November the third of this year. And t…

thehill.com

Who? I always see stuff like this but there's never any names mentioned, just vague references to someone younger.

 

[fskimospy]

Are we awake yet?

And I agree with Carville that some other, younger normie Dem candidate would probably win comfortably against Trump. Dems getting too comfortable/casual with Biden's chances.

Carville: Democrats need to ‘wake the f‑‑‑ up’ about Biden’s 2024 risks

Democratic strategist James Carville is warning his party that President Biden could lose to former President Trump in 2024. “Let’s say the election was November the third of this year. And t…

thehill.com

Man I’m starting to think a 99-1 Republican senate majority is likely.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Feels like another "how could this have happened" moment is rapidly approaching. Is there anyone normal that can step up and primary this old fool before it's too late???

Biden lead over Trump evaporates in new poll showing dead heat

President Biden’s lead over former President Trump has diminished in a new poll that shows the 2024 front-runners locked in dead heat. The latest YouGov/Yahoo News poll found that Biden a…

thehill.com

What about this poll? Does this one count too?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1707046242579087816

 

[eelw]

Man I’m starting to think a 99-1 Republican senate majority is likely.

Pfft, Manchin will side with the R's for the full 100

 

[Moonbeam]

I guess the self hate among Republican blue collar uneducated Whites is such that they find abhorrent the idea of voting for a President that walks the picket line to help out the working man.

 

[gothuevos]

What about this poll? Does this one count too?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1707046242579087816

Certainly more encouraging.

 

[eelw]

I guess the self hate among Republican blue collar uneducated Whites is such that they find abhorrent the idea of voting for a President that walks the picket line to help out the working man.

Yup. They’d stick a fork in an electrical outlet to spite Biden if he told them not to.

 

[dank69]

I don't know if I would be tempted to respond here because I don't think I understand what you are saying.

He's saying millennials and Gen Z would rather fellate a beehive than pick up a phonecall from an unknown number, so polls at this point do not reflect a proper population sample.

 

[dainthomas]

He's saying millennials and Gen Z would rather fellate a beehive than pick up a phonecall from an unknown number, so polls at this point do not reflect a proper population sample.

I'm old enough to remember the pre-caller ID days, when people would just answer their home phone with literally no clue who it is. Is it meemaw? Someone selling life insurance? Your doctor calling with those test results? Let's find out!

Madness.

 

[you2]

I'm old enough to remember the pre-caller ID days, when people would just answer their home phone with literally no clue who it is. Is it meemaw? Someone selling life insurance? Your doctor calling with those test results? Let's find out!

Madness.

In those days - before caller-id the worse we had to fear was someone calling to sell life insurance once a week now we have to worry about 10 million 'spam' calls a second; time change.