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you2

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Oof, I'd suggest thinking this through thoroughly. Policy is infinitely more impactful than behavior unless the behavior has crossed into fascist territory or is so bad it is preventing good policy from being implemented.
I should put in context; i would vote for him over some dumb ass maga candidate.
 

mindless1

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Pardon Trump only when he admits swallowing Putin’s seed in Helsynke and is defenestrated on camera by Pence. Then pardon Pence and give him Metal of Freedom
There is something wrong with you, and it's not Trump.
 

mindless1

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I mean, there's plenty of things being argued over right now that are actually relevant to the survival of our species, and the success of our culture and society as a whole. It's not hard to argue for one thing and against another over topics like forced carrying of rape babies to term.
No it's pretty easy to argue for carrying rape babies to term, if you think murder is worse than rape, and you consider the fetus a living being.

I'm in the camp that believes there's a window of opportunity for abortion where the fetus is not yet a cognisant being, (regardless of whether it was rape or not) but after that point, it is murder and should not be allowed. The argument stemming from that would be, at what point is the fetus more than just a growing mass of cells.
 

Vic

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No it's pretty easy to argue for carrying rape babies to term, if you think murder is worse than rape, and you consider the fetus a living being.

I'm in the camp that believes there's a window of opportunity for abortion where the fetus is not yet a cognisant being, (regardless of whether it was rape or not) but after that point, it is murder and should not be allowed. The argument stemming from that would be, at what point is the fetus more than just a growing mass of cells.
Given that rape has been a successful evolutionary strategy, I think we shouldn't allow rapists to procreate and perpetuate the rapist gene, un-self aware fetuses be damned.
I also think that all persons have the inherent right to self-ownership and that the anti-abortion agenda is a deliberate attempt to undermine that right, dishonestly masquerading as saving babies.
 

Moonbeam

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Kemp pretty clearly wants to control prosecutors in his state and protect his right flank but also pretty clearly wants Trump prosecuted.

Trump shouldn’t have tried to unseat him. Big mistake.
Vengeance is a poor excuse for virtue but I guess I’ll take what I can get. We do create what we fear.
 

dank69

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No it's pretty easy to argue for carrying rape babies to term, if you think murder is worse than rape, and you consider the fetus a living being.

I'm in the camp that believes there's a window of opportunity for abortion where the fetus is not yet a cognisant being, (regardless of whether it was rape or not) but after that point, it is murder and should not be allowed. The argument stemming from that would be, at what point is the fetus more than just a growing mass of cells.
Like a newborn is cognizant. Try again.
 
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Vic

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There is something wrong with you, and it's not Trump.
Why do you apologize for a would-be dictator who openly wanted to suspend the Constitution and implement martial law in order to overturn an election he lost?
What do you think "it's all a political witch hunt!" Trump would be doing to his political enemies right now if he had been successful in overturning the election?
 
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akugami

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How would you be any different than a Republican, regardless of evidence, calling Democrats shit stains. How can anybody be guilty of bigotry and require forgiving. We are talking about programs that are running at an unconscious level that can only be altered by self awareness. Can you will self awareness of is it a form of grace that is beyond rational understanding?

When you seek pardon for an opinion you can be sure that opinion is a form of prison defined as a need to reject guilt. A need to reject indicates an unconscious acceptance you feel guilty and don't want to know it. You are neither guilty or innocent. You hold unexamined unconscious beliefs that are programs that run in our sleep.

Let me know when the entire Democratic party is made up of fascist, racist, shit stains. On that day, we can revisit your comment. But until then, save your "both sides" crap.
 
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mindless1

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Why do you apologize for a would-be dictator

I don't apologize for anyone. I've stated multiple times over the years that the only reason trump was elected was that he was put in place instead of a cardboard box. US citizens would have rather elected a cardboard box instead of the liberal f-tards he was opposing.

All the rest of your nonsense, shows you have TDS and can't fathom an alternative that is free from that.

Thanks for trolling again, introducing nonsense not backed by any evidence, that shows you are incompetent of even very basic reading skills.

You don't realize do you, that this kind of post completely invalidates every single thought you have, when you can't even stick to very simple english and let your imagination run wild instead?

You need to seek professional help. And get out more.
 
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Vic

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I don't apologize for anyone. I've stated multiple times over the years that the only reason trump was elected was that he was put in place instead of a cardboard box. US citizens would have rather elected a cardboard box instead of the liberal f-tards he was opposing.

All the rest of your nonsense, shows you have TDS and can't fathom an alternative that is free from that.

Thanks for trolling again, introducing nonsense not backed by any evidence, that shows you are incompetent of even very basic reading skills.

You don't realize do you, that this kind of post completely invalidates every single thought you have, when you can't even stick to very simple english and let your imagination run wild instead?

You need to seek professional help. And get out more.
Yes, it's all the libtards fault that you voted for a wannabe dictator who openly tried to suspend the Constitution and implement martial law in order to overturn an election he lost.

Lol wtf
 

Vic

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Let me know when the entire Democratic party is made up of fascist, racist, shit stains. On that day, we can revisit your comment. But until then, save your "both sides" crap.
How about just let know us when the Dems try to violently overturn an election they lost?
Lol.. could you just imagine the conservative uproar if Biden said he wouldn't accept the results of an election? Omg the pearls that would be clutched! And rightfully so.
But their guy says that at every opportunity and they love him for it. They even take up arms to help him tear down our Constitution.
So yes, clearly "both sides" is bullshit.
 

Moonbeam

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When one of them asserts the earth is flat and you show them on board video of a rocket launch do we continue to entertain their so called assertion the earth is flat?

How about we offer to put them on the rocket with the caveat once you reach an altitude of 1200 miles if you see a flat earth we will return you. If not have a nice life in low earth orbit.
Are you forgetting the difference between ethical questions and physical ones as regards proof. The scientific method can be applied to the shape of the earth. Moral questions require a different approach.
 

Moonbeam

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Let me know when the entire Democratic party is made up of fascist, racist, shit stains. On that day, we can revisit your comment. But until then, save your "both sides" crap.
Why do you ask me to tell you when that happens? You are clearly confused. I’m not the one saying liberals are shit stains. It’s nut case Republicans that do that. I e. am saying they do that because they are running indoctrinated programs they do not and cannot morally justify. They just feel they are right. I am saying that to called programmed robots shit stains back is similarly insane.
U.
I am saying you have to be nuts yourself to go apeshit over the actions of programmed machines. They are not conscious or in possession of free will and your emotional revulsion of them says you are too. You feel they are shit stains just as they feel that about you. You are also running a program.

I would say also that the reason you want to see them as shit stains goes hand in hand with a need you have for someone to blame because instead of calm awareness of the insanity of so many cult driven conservatives you are terrified and thus enraged at them. You want to imagine they are evil by choice because you use that to justify your own rage.

What they really are, in my opinion, is pitiful. They are blind, trapped in a prison of foolish beliefs, and self destructive.

We are all the same.
 

HomerJS

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I don't apologize for anyone. I've stated multiple times over the years that the only reason trump was elected was that he was put in place instead of a cardboard box. US citizens would have rather elected a cardboard box instead of the liberal f-tards he was opposing.

All the rest of your nonsense, shows you have TDS and can't fathom an alternative that is free from that.

Thanks for trolling again, introducing nonsense not backed by any evidence, that shows you are incompetent of even very basic reading skills.

You don't realize do you, that this kind of post completely invalidates every single thought you have, when you can't even stick to very simple english and let your imagination run wild instead?

You need to seek professional help. And get out more.
An accusation of TDS suggests concerns about Trump are unwarranted. Considering the long list of indictments against him suggests a large part of your brain has gone dormant. You are lucky it isn't the medulla oblongata.

IMO - the top reasons Trump was elected.

Flawed electoral college. It has outlived its usefulness.
Obama backlash. A lot of people were pissed this country elected a black President.
There are a lot of people admire a sexual assaulter, wannabe murder and overt racist. These are all things we know about Trump or he admitted.
People just disliked Hillary and didn't look at the bigger picture.

There is evidence for all of these.
 

fskimospy

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I don't apologize for anyone. I've stated multiple times over the years that the only reason trump was elected was that he was put in place instead of a cardboard box. US citizens would have rather elected a cardboard box instead of the liberal f-tards he was opposing.

All the rest of your nonsense, shows you have TDS and can't fathom an alternative that is free from that.

Thanks for trolling again, introducing nonsense not backed by any evidence, that shows you are incompetent of even very basic reading skills.

You don't realize do you, that this kind of post completely invalidates every single thought you have, when you can't even stick to very simple english and let your imagination run wild instead?

You need to seek professional help. And get out more.
It’s always funny to see people say that US citizens preferred Trump in an election he lost by millions of votes. He won in 2016 due to the system but the preference of US citizens as a whole was clearly not for him.

Trump is a lifelong criminal who tried to end democracy in the US. If you think opposition to criminals trying to end democracy is deranged then you’re the one who needs professional help.

More likely it’s that your tribalism is overwhelming your capacity for rational thought.
 

HomerJS

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Are you forgetting the difference between ethical questions and physical ones as regards proof. The scientific method can be applied to the shape of the earth. Moral questions require a different approach.
Everyone has their own moral code and is completely subjective. Using my example the physical question is solvable. Despite the agreement I would allow them to return to earth to stew in their new reality.
 

Lost_in_the_HTTP

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Correction to post 891. There is only ONE reason the Orangutan got in.

People thoroughly and completely DESPISE everything Clinton and voted against them more than for the Orange.
 

fskimospy

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Correction to post 891. There is only ONE reason the Orangutan got in.

People thoroughly and completely DESPISE everything Clinton and voted against them more than for the Orange.
While Clinton's favorability numbers were bad they were higher than Trump's so this explanation makes no sense.
 
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Moonbeam

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While Clinton's favorability numbers were bad they were higher than Trump's so this explanation makes no sense.
I would say that the Republican Party over many decades learned how to augment and focus the insecurity of conservative leaning people and global competition into a political grievance machine against government generally. They became the establishment by pretending to oppose it. They primed the American people to welcome a strongman daddy figure and the chaos he represented and they are still sucking that tit. In those decades they also managed locally to gerrymander numerous states sufficiently to maintain power as a minority favorable party.
 

HomerJS

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No it's pretty easy to argue for carrying rape babies to term, if you think murder is worse than rape, and you consider the fetus a living being.

I'm in the camp that believes there's a window of opportunity for abortion where the fetus is not yet a cognisant being, (regardless of whether it was rape or not) but after that point, it is murder and should not be allowed. The argument stemming from that would be, at what point is the fetus more than just a growing mass of cells.
Let's see you argue carrying an unviable fetus to term. Like the one with no skull
 
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Moonbeam

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Everyone has their own moral code and is completely subjective. Using my example the physical question is solvable. Despite the agreement I would allow them to return to earth to stew in their new reality.
Haha. I find this rather funny. Here you are justifying your moral right to call Republicans shitheads because they are while also claiming that all such opinions are subjective. In short you are claiming to be absolutely certain about something that you also claim is just a matter of personal opinion.
 

fskimospy

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Let's see you argue carrying an unviable fetus to term. Like the one with no skull
I think what he is saying is correct, at least from a logical perspective. If you believe a fetus is a human and abortion is the killing of a human being why would the fact that this human's mom was raped factor in? Generally speaking they say it's because it wasn't the woman's 'fault' she got pregnant there, but why does that excuse murder?

This all stems from the fact that actually logically consistent anti-abortion views are horrifically unpopular in America so right wingers make incoherent compromises/lies to make them less unpopular. It's the same thing with how the 'life begins at conception' people wouldn't save a tray of 1,000 embryos instead of one actual baby even though according to them that's 1,000 babies vs. 1.
 

HomerJS

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Haha. I find this rather funny. Here you are justifying your moral right to call Republicans shitheads because they are while also claiming that all such opinions are subjective. In short you are claiming to be absolutely certain about something that you also claim is just a matter of personal opinion.
I have a moral code that does not prevent me from calling it as I see it. That why it's an opinion.

If someone robs your house, I doubt you would refer to them as a "nice fellow"
 

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