Will George W. Bush go down in history...

[kstu]

...as one of the worst presidents ever.

Basically, in 25 years, what will we read about our current president in our children's history books.

 

[hemiram]

I think you are totally correct. As far as I'm concerned, even though Nixon was a paranoid crook, and Carter was totally worthless as a President, they both tower over Bush, the worst President, easily in my lifetime. IMO, of course.

I voted for him the first time, I'm sad to say, but the second time, I would have voted for just about anyone on the other side. At that point, I already had enough, and now, it's 10X worse.

 

[Polish3d]

If Iraq really dissolves into civil war, yeah, IMO he will go down as one of the absolute worst.

 

[dmcowen674]

You guys are on drugs or something.

Bush will be regarded even better than Reagan as the greatest President ever.

 

[Polish3d]

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[trenchfoot]

ah yes...so far, i'll remember bush for his marvelous policies concerning our national debt, just as much as i will remember that the reagans used an astrologer for making important decisions, and clinton's explanation of what "is" is, etc.

i'd say it's premature to add bush to the list of eligible candidates for "worst". i'll reserve judgement until after his term expires. because, as far as the american public perception is concerned, it would take just one momentous deed from him to be proclaimed the hero of all time or the fool that put us on the path to ruin.

 

[techs]

Bushes legacy will be determined by the next President and Congress.
If it is the Democrats and they actually put the budget in order, get us out of Iraq and expose the Bushes abuses of government power then Bush will go down as the worst President.
If the next President and Congress continue on the Bushie legacy than Bush will just be considered an expression of the public will and the problems he created will be blamed on the American people.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Yes. Bush will be remembered as the Worst President in American History.

Not for Iraq, but for helping to oversee the destruction of the American economy and the American middle class. Under Bush, the nation increased the pace of its participation in global labor wage arbitrage and it became obvious that it was a problem, but instead of doing anything about it, he encouraged businesses to pick up the pace. When we are an impoverished, overpopulated third world country, those of us who are left to remember the good ol' days will look back and place the blame squarely on him. I, too, voted for this loser in 2000. I'm not sure I'll ever be foregiven.

 

[Drakkon]

hopefully you people saying he is the "Worst president ever" are actually doing something. Writting your congressman, writting the president, writting your government, rather than just hiding behind a computer screen bitching and moaning about how he is leading our country to hell in a handbasket. If its so bad get out there and protest, get out there and let it be known how dissatisfied you are. There are still 2 years left in this presidents term and that is plenty of time for things to change. You have an election this nov where you can get people in, and out of, office that can cause a change.
I think its stupid to call a president a failure while he is still in office. If you do it only gives more fodder so that if he were to try anything good in the next couple years it will be considered a failure before it starts and ultimately dropped. Yes this president is stubborn, bullheaded, and probobly doesnt listen to himself but mostly his "advisors" most of the time, so chances are he wont change, but with the power of congress theres still a lot of possibilities that they can pass that he may not be able to avoid.

*not a bush supporter, just a supporter of patriotism.

 

[filterxg]

He be remembered as a deeply flawed, and weak president. He'll be above Carter, Nixon, and LBJ but below all the others in the last 60 years. Without a doubt bottom quarter. The reason is Iraq. What saves him from those depths is history will also remember his performance right after 9/11, especially on ground zero. Those speeches and rally's will be replayed and ingrained into our youth just like FDR's call to arms after Pearl Habor, or Woodrow Wilson's "Making the world safe for democracy" speech.

The dems should still be hitting themselves for that presidential field in 2004. Couldn't you guys find a governor that could appeal to the masses? You're overflowing with them now (Vilsack, Richardson, Warner and maybe others).

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: filterxg
He be remembered as a deeply flawed, and weak president. He'll be above Carter, Nixon, and LBJ but below all the others in the last 60 years. Without a doubt bottom quarter. The reason is Iraq. What saves him from those depths is history will also remember his performance right after 9/11, especially on ground zero. Those speeches and rally's will be replayed and ingrained into our youth just like FDR's call to arms after Pearl Habor, or Woodrow Wilson's "Making the world safe for democracy" speech.

The dems should still be hitting themselves for that presidential field in 2004. Couldn't you guys find a governor that could appeal to the masses? You're overflowing with them now (Vilsack, Richardson, Warner and maybe others).

Right now I think he'll be dead last, and that's how I rate him. It was painfully obvious that we would replay the 1920's Brits scenario. Hey, who wouldn't want to be another GB, right?

Americans are egocentric. Those in power believe we are superior to every other people. That attitude does not allow for the fact that the rest of the world's population do not see themselves as little Americans in training. It doesn't allow for the fact that perhaps democracy isn't the most important thing in their lives.

The White Mans Burden 21st century style.

The failing is of course as much the American public as Bush. We have evolved into political Imperialists. We are the White Man, we are the Master Race. Oh yes we have kinder and gentler wars but it's not of need now. It's social engineering with a gun.

This is going to bite us in the face like it has everyone else, and Bush is helping it along nicely.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
You guys are on drugs or something.

Bush will be regarded even better than Reagan as the greatest President ever.

:thumbsup:

 

[1EZduzit]

I think Jr. will go down in history as a fool, and not even a well-intentioned fool. Just a "born with a silver spoon in his mouth" garden variety fool.

 

[Meuge]

Bush: great or greatest president?

 

[RightIsWrong]

I think that he will go down as one of the worst. I think that there will be some good that will come out of his presidency that we don't see at the present time. However, I don't know what that could be. Maybe his exit??

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: filterxg
He be remembered as a deeply flawed, and weak president. He'll be above Carter, Nixon, and LBJ but below all the others in the last 60 years. Without a doubt bottom quarter. The reason is Iraq. What saves him from those depths is history will also remember his performance right after 9/11, especially on ground zero. Those speeches and rally's will be replayed and ingrained into our youth just like FDR's call to arms after Pearl Habor, or Woodrow Wilson's "Making the world safe for democracy" speech.

The dems should still be hitting themselves for that presidential field in 2004. Couldn't you guys find a governor that could appeal to the masses? You're overflowing with them now (Vilsack, Richardson, Warner and maybe others).

Right now I think he'll be dead last, and that's how I rate him. It was painfully obvious that we would replay the 1920's Brits scenario. Hey, who wouldn't want to be another GB, right?

Americans are egocentric. Those in power believe we are superior to every other people. That attitude does not allow for the fact that the rest of the world's population do not see themselves as little Americans in training. It doesn't allow for the fact that perhaps democracy isn't the most important thing in their lives.

The White Mans Burden 21st century style.

The failing is of course as much the American public as Bush. We have evolved into political Imperialists. We are the White Man, we are the Master Race. Oh yes we have kinder and gentler wars but it's not of need now. It's social engineering with a gun.

This is going to bite us in the face like it has everyone else, and Bush is helping it along nicely.

Quality post but I actually give the American public a little more of a pass. Many of them are simple people trying to make ends meet from one week to the next. They hadn't heard of Afghanistan prior to 9/11, didn't know the Iraqi political structure any better than the various Jewish extants, didn't know many dollars spent at WalMart went to China, didn't know China then loaned many of those dollars back to us, didn't realize that "social issues" that had NO effect whatsoever on their lives were just political diversions from the really important issues.

I could go on but basically much of America is apathetic b/c leadership, both Democrat and Republican, haven't done much to make their lives better and probably don't care . . . so these people don't vote.

Many of the ones that vote are ill-informed or downright ignorant.

That's how America wound up with Bush43. I place more blame on the Democrats than the general public. If Gore and Kerry are the best Dem donkeys have to offer, they shouldn't be surprised the voting American public favored a polished turd. Republicans come in a close second b/c . . . geez . . . even they know Bush sux. But they cared more about finding the candidate most likely to win instead of nominating the candidate most competent to lead.

 

[K1052]

It is impossible to judge accurately how kind history will be to Bush's presidency at this time.

The bar is pretty high for worst president anyway. LBJ got thousands killed in Vietnam, Buchanan let the next guy elected deal with his mess (immenent US civil war), Andew Jackson botched the reconstruction in the worst ways possible and got himself impeached, FDR left us a leagacy of an immense federal government that is only getting bigger, Jefferson and Madison get credit for disarming us then declaring war on the world's formost military power, and the list goes on.....

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: K1052
It is impossible to judge accurately how kind history will be to Bush's presidency at this time.

The bar is pretty high for worst president anyway. LBJ got thousands killed in Vietnam, Buchanan let the next guy elected deal with his mess (immenent US civil war), Andew Jackson botched the reconstruction in the worst ways possible and got himself impeached, FDR left us a leagacy of an immense federal government that is only getting bigger, Jefferson and Madison get credit for disarming us then declaring war on the world's formost military power, and the list goes on.....

Wow! Your analysis is pretty suspect.

LBJ was left a mess in Vietnam. Arguably, he made it worse but his primary failing was not realizing it was always a losing proposition. I think McNamara deserves some of that credit.

Jackson's impeachment was almost as political as Clinton's. Except of course, what Jackson did actually mattered.

FDR didn't make every Congress spend the SS surplus. It could have easily been restructured as a pay-go program but that would hide the fiscal mismanagement of more recent administrations. Medicare was created by LBJ but I don't think he advocated Americans becoming fat and sedentary. He also isn't responsible for the largest expansion of public healthcare since Medicare . . . Bush's drug benefit.

So Jefferson and Madison disarmed us and the consequences were??

Based solely on the "quality" of his 1st term, Bush easily outpaces your examples when it comes to crappy POTUS. He's only going to get worse unless there's a miracle in Iraq and near miracle in our domestic fiscal situation.

 

[Proletariat]

It really all depends on the situation in Iraq... Can't tell yet.

 

[spunkz]

Originally posted by: Meuge
Bush: great or greatest president?

lol was that Colbert?

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: K1052
It is impossible to judge accurately how kind history will be to Bush's presidency at this time.

The bar is pretty high for worst president anyway. LBJ got thousands killed in Vietnam, Buchanan let the next guy elected deal with his mess (immenent US civil war), Andew Jackson botched the reconstruction in the worst ways possible and got himself impeached, FDR left us a leagacy of an immense federal government that is only getting bigger, Jefferson and Madison get credit for disarming us then declaring war on the world's formost military power, and the list goes on.....

Wow! Your analysis is pretty suspect.

LBJ was left a mess in Vietnam. Arguably, he made it worse but his primary failing was not realizing it was always a losing proposition. I think McNamara deserves some of that credit.

Jackson's impeachment was almost as political as Clinton's. Except of course, what Jackson did actually mattered.

FDR didn't make every Congress spend the SS surplus. It could have easily been restructured as a pay-go program but that would hide the fiscal mismanagement of more recent administrations. Medicare was created by LBJ but I don't think he advocated Americans becoming fat and sedentary. He also isn't responsible for the largest expansion of public healthcare since Medicare . . . Bush's drug benefit.

So Jefferson and Madison disarmed us and the consequences were??

Based solely on the "quality" of his 1st term, Bush easily outpaces your examples when it comes to crappy POTUS. He's only going to get worse unless there's a miracle in Iraq and near miracle in our domestic fiscal situation.

He just seems so crappy because hes the current pres and everyone talks about him.

There have been worse.

 

[fjord]

The GWB administration is the worst in modern times. That is how it is regarded now.

How will it be viewed into the future? No doubt as time reveals just how disasterous this administrations policies have affected Americans--it will be viewed as the worst administration to date in our history.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Proletariat, I'm old enough to remember Bush41 and Clinton even a bit of Reagan. Despite the malaise of the early 90s, Bush41 wasn't that bad. Even when things weren't going that well Reagan got passing votes from most . . . granted, he probably wasn't running the government. Clinton underachieved and was impeached but still remained popular.

Bush just sux. It's not b/c he's the current POTUS. It's not b/c we don't have anything else to talk about. He just sux.

In a historical context, there's probably been worse. Ask me that question 10 years from now and my guess is we will call Bush the worst President of the past century . . . which means even Coolidge and Hoover can breathe a sigh of relief.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: K1052
It is impossible to judge accurately how kind history will be to Bush's presidency at this time.

The bar is pretty high for worst president anyway. LBJ got thousands killed in Vietnam, Buchanan let the next guy elected deal with his mess (immenent US civil war), Andew Jackson botched the reconstruction in the worst ways possible and got himself impeached, FDR left us a leagacy of an immense federal government that is only getting bigger, Jefferson and Madison get credit for disarming us then declaring war on the world's formost military power, and the list goes on.....

Wow! Your analysis is pretty suspect.

LBJ was left a mess in Vietnam. Arguably, he made it worse but his primary failing was not realizing it was always a losing proposition. I think McNamara deserves some of that credit.

Jackson's impeachment was almost as political as Clinton's. Except of course, what Jackson did actually mattered.

FDR didn't make every Congress spend the SS surplus. It could have easily been restructured as a pay-go program but that would hide the fiscal mismanagement of more recent administrations. Medicare was created by LBJ but I don't think he advocated Americans becoming fat and sedentary. He also isn't responsible for the largest expansion of public healthcare since Medicare . . . Bush's drug benefit.

So Jefferson and Madison disarmed us and the consequences were??

Based solely on the "quality" of his 1st term, Bush easily outpaces your examples when it comes to crappy POTUS. He's only going to get worse unless there's a miracle in Iraq and near miracle in our domestic fiscal situation.

LBJ was responsible for his decisions.

Andrew Johnson (I wrote Jackson for some reason initally ) failed us at one of the most critical points in our history.

Many FDR's programs were well over the line of what is constitutional. You remember what happened when some of them were shot down by the Supreme Court? He blatantly tried to pack the court via expansion so he could appoint an additional justice to swing the votes his way.

Jefferson disarmed us then Madison went to war on land and sea with the British in the War of 1812. We barely managed to hold on the country and went into massive high interest debt in the process since the Republicans had let the legislation chartering Bank of the United States sunset.

There are many other "gems" littering presidential history.

 

[tommywishbone]

Dum-Dum's legacy is clear; when you see something you want, you take it. No morals, no discussion, no consideration for anyone other than you & your immeadiate klan. He's Gordon Gecko with a invasion force at the ready. He's a mindless thug gangster wannabe, masqurading as a holy man. He makes the entire planet a nasty, vile place to be. He's sheet and billions of people hate his guts.

His history? Mass murder, destruction & greed.