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Will F-22 Raptor beat this?

Topic Title: Will F-22 Raptor beat this?
Topic Summary: Pretty awesome jetfighter
Created On: 11/13/2006 06:34 PM

Yes.
 
probably one of the worst videos I have seen.

not informative, took half the clip just to get the plane in the air... mostly because of the ghey pilot slow walking to the plane.

Even if it is better than a raptor, that video had zero way of showing it. It was all cinema and gay french movie making.



Furthermore, isn't it unpatriotic and considered treason to "think" that anything else in the world is better than something in our military? lol.
 
I'm sure it's an extremely capable airplane. I would question its ability to effectively detect and track a F-22 because of that fighter's stealthy profile, though.
 
Originally posted by: SophalotJack
probably one of the worst videos I have seen.

not informative, took half the clip just to get the plane in the air... mostly because of the ghey pilot slow walking to the plane.

Even if it is better than a raptor, that video had zero way of showing it. It was all cinema and gay french movie making.



Furthermore, isn't it unpatriotic and considered treason to "think" that anything else in the world is better than something in our military? lol.
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Take a look at 2nd video link, much more informative.
 
What role is this fighter supposed to play? If its air superiority (i.e. air-to-air combat) then I guess its peer would be the F22. If its close support and air-ground than I suppose the JSF variants are a better match?
 
Originally posted by: IHAVEAQUESTION
Just saw a short clip on youtube about the JAS 39 Gripen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C37RZlONho&mode=related&search=

What's the US equivalent to this fighter?

More vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX_yCErNKZ0&mode=related&search=
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The F-22 is a generation ahead of the Gripen. It's stealthy, the gripen isn't, it's got maneuverable thrust, gripen doesn't, and the F-22 is probably a lot faster in real world terms and probably has much much better radar.

Late model F-18s are probably a pretty close equivalent to the Gripen, but I'm not sure how good the Gripens radar/FCS etc. is supposed to be.
 
Originally posted by: IHAVEAQUESTION
Originally posted by: SophalotJack
probably one of the worst videos I have seen.

not informative, took half the clip just to get the plane in the air... mostly because of the ghey pilot slow walking to the plane.

Even if it is better than a raptor, that video had zero way of showing it. It was all cinema and gay french movie making.



Furthermore, isn't it unpatriotic and considered treason to "think" that anything else in the world is better than something in our military? lol.
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Take a look at 2nd video link, much more informative.
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Nice, didn't even notice the second link.

Well if it is just as capable as the raptor and more diverse with a lower pricetag.... then it is worth way more than the raptor.

I personally think the raptor is a bloated waste of money in which our military will never see a return on their investment... just like many other programs we have.

The griffen seems to be a much more practical and efficient aircraft for the modern battlefield.
 
Well watching the video, I assume that plane has no stealth technology, or stealth detection technology. It also mentions absolutely nothing about speed or flight capability, including if it's capable of Mach speeds without the use of an afterburner (such as the F22), which i doubt it can because it's a single engine. It also mentions nothing about a swivel vector ability of it's engine, which the F22 has which would allow much superior handling.

Based on that, it looks pretty technological and cool inside the plane, but I see nothing keeping the F22 from blowing that to bits without blinking an eyelash.
 
The F22 has the backing of all US armed forces intelligence technology on top of the superior aircraft technology. It's faster, longer range, and much higher ceiling(60k ft vs 50kft). No contest
 
F-22 will beat the hell out of any other fighter 1v1. Cost-effectiveness is another matter though.
 
Originally posted by: yllus
I'm sure it's an extremely capable airplane. I would question its ability to effectively detect and track a F-22 because of that fighter's stealthy profile, though.
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I figure the F22 would lock on fire and be out of the area before the pilot of the JAS 39 knew what happened.
 
The Gripen is not meant to compete against air superiority fighters like the F-22. It's more of a competitor to the F-16. It's a very small and light fighter meant to have a low cost good flexibility.

It's a much smaller and lighter aircraft than the F-22.

Gripen:

Length: 14.1 m (46 ft 3 in)
Wingspan: 8.4 m (27 ft 7 in)
Height: 4.5 m (14 ft 9 in)
Wing area: 25.54 m (274.9 ft)
Empty weight: 6,620 kg (14,600 lb)
Loaded weight: 8,720 kg (19,200 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 14,000 kg (31,000 lb)

F-22:

Length: 62 ft 1 in (18.90 m)
Wingspan: 44 ft 6 in (13.56 m)
Height: 16 ft 8 in (5.08 m)
Wing area: 840 ft² (78.04 m²)
Empty weight: 40,000 lb class (18 000 kg)
Loaded weight: 60,000 lb (27 216 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 80,000 lb (36 288 kg)
 
granted it's a much smaller plane than a f-22, I don't think 18,000lb of thrust is quite comparable to the 70,000lb of the Raptor.
 
Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
More vids:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evdbpH4B81A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BksVu5ng1Zw
Read the comments for this clip. F22 vs. JAS 39.
Is the F22 designed to use normal roads for take off and landing? I think not.

Airfield in teh forrest
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lol, those idiots are so obviously biased, the Gripen fulfills a completely different role than the F-22. It is quite clear that the JSF is more in line with the Gripen (with versions of the JSF able to take off on short run ways or even vertically) - of which the F-22 would destroy either fighter 1 on 1 or even outnumbered.
 
Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
More vids:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evdbpH4B81A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BksVu5ng1Zw
Read the comments for this clip. F22 vs. JAS 39.
Is the F22 designed to use normal roads for take off and landing? I think not.

Airfield in teh forrest
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Let's not be idiotic here.

The F-22 isn't the Gripen's competition- the JSF is. In size, power, cost, and capabilities, the Gripen competes with the JSF, and isn't anywhere close to the F-22.

And yes, there will be versions of the JSF that can take off using normal roads, or even no roads. Can a Gripen hover? I think not.
 
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
More vids:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evdbpH4B81A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BksVu5ng1Zw
Read the comments for this clip. F22 vs. JAS 39.
Is the F22 designed to use normal roads for take off and landing? I think not.

Airfield in teh forrest
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Let's not be idiotic here.

The F-22 isn't the Gripen's competition- the JSF is. In size, power, cost, and capabilities, the Gripen competes with the JSF, and isn't anywhere close to the F-22.

And yes, there will be versions that can take off using normal roads, or even no roads. Can a Gripen hover? I think not.
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Surprisingly, the F-22 can hover. Sort of... Text
 
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