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- Oct 10, 1999
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Ya, no contest, but how cool is it that such a small country keeps pumping out decent Fighters? I doubt Sweden and the US are on a collision course to war, so they have no worries there. I think they'd be able to match anything the rest of Europe and Russia have though and that's likely all they really need to worry about.
The US and Sweden have been at war for a long time -- over fighter exports to other countries.
The US won in Poland but lost in the Czech Republic, though they've kinda renigged on their agreement a bit (or at least slowed it down). It's brutal out there!Fulcrum, yes. Flanker, no. Fulcrum is an old design already, though some of the very latest variants might have the advantage. I'd have to look at some things to know for sure, but then I wouldn't be posting here if I did that.
you obviously missed the memo
BLAME BUSH FOR EVERYTHING
i'm working on getting the "Blame Bush for the Cold War" campaign going. would you like to help?
Originally posted by: AndrewR
Ignoring the unsupported declaratory statement, doesn't the fact that the Raptor would shoot down the Typhoon mean it's the better air-to-air fighter? Just curious.
For those who cannot afford something like the F/A-22 or even the Eurofighter. The Swedes provide a decent, low cost alternative to US fighters and an alternative to buying from the Russians or the Chinese at a higher cost. Sure, it'll work, but it will die against the Raptor or probably even against the Su-30MK series. Given that fact, which would you rather fly?
Also, no one here knows the full capabilities of the Raptor, and there's no discussion of the power of the AESA radar onboard, especially compared to the current mechanically scanned array of the Gripen. If you don't think that matters, then you should just not bother to post in this thread.
Blah blah blah.. every freaking nerd these days is an armchair general. How many countries are flying F/A-22s and Eurofighters? I didn't see Saddam send any of those up!
- Oct 30, 2000
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The Eagle has amply demostrated that it can hold its own against fighter jets also.
Every Soviet or French jet that it has tangled against in live combat has lost.
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: AndrewR
Ignoring the unsupported declaratory statement, doesn't the fact that the Raptor would shoot down the Typhoon mean it's the better air-to-air fighter? Just curious.
For those who cannot afford something like the F/A-22 or even the Eurofighter. The Swedes provide a decent, low cost alternative to US fighters and an alternative to buying from the Russians or the Chinese at a higher cost. Sure, it'll work, but it will die against the Raptor or probably even against the Su-30MK series. Given that fact, which would you rather fly?
Also, no one here knows the full capabilities of the Raptor, and there's no discussion of the power of the AESA radar onboard, especially compared to the current mechanically scanned array of the Gripen. If you don't think that matters, then you should just not bother to post in this thread.
Blah blah blah.. every freaking nerd these days is an armchair general. How many countries are flying F/A-22s and Eurofighters? I didn't see Saddam send any of those up!
Hey, numbnuts, this is my job so look in the mirror when you're talking about nerds and armchair generals. :roll:
As for your question, 1 for the F/A-22 and 4 for the Typhoon. Saddam didn't launch any aircraft, but if you always fight the last war, you'll get a lot of people killed. Basing our defense plans solely on the last few years is sheer idiocy.
Stealth is overrated. It does not make an aircraft invisible to radar, just more difficult to detect. Stealth is already much less effective then it was during the first gulf war due to advances to radar systems. There are many technologies being researched to better detect stealth, including other types of radar, detecting the wake/turbulence of an aircraft, and detecting the infrared heat signal from the engines. The more time passes, the less effective stealth will be.
On top of that, the F22 isn't even that stealthy. It's stealthyness is most on the front, while from the sides and back it is much easier to detect.
On top of that, the F22 isn't even that stealthy. It's stealthyness is most on the front, while from the sides and back it is much easier to detect.
And stealth isn't used in isolation but rather in combination with SEAD, jamming, and detailed mission planning to maximize its effectiveness against other systems. There's no need to be completely invisible as long as the technology creates gaps in the IADS and enables the Raptor to complete its mission. If the Raptor can reduce detection range and launch before the enemy detects it, stealth pays off.
Originally posted by: AndrewR
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: AndrewR
Ignoring the unsupported declaratory statement, doesn't the fact that the Raptor would shoot down the Typhoon mean it's the better air-to-air fighter? Just curious.
For those who cannot afford something like the F/A-22 or even the Eurofighter. The Swedes provide a decent, low cost alternative to US fighters and an alternative to buying from the Russians or the Chinese at a higher cost. Sure, it'll work, but it will die against the Raptor or probably even against the Su-30MK series. Given that fact, which would you rather fly?
Also, no one here knows the full capabilities of the Raptor, and there's no discussion of the power of the AESA radar onboard, especially compared to the current mechanically scanned array of the Gripen. If you don't think that matters, then you should just not bother to post in this thread.
Blah blah blah.. every freaking nerd these days is an armchair general. How many countries are flying F/A-22s and Eurofighters? I didn't see Saddam send any of those up!
Hey, numbnuts, this is my job so look in the mirror when you're talking about nerds and armchair generals. :roll:
As for your question, 1 for the F/A-22 and 4 for the Typhoon. Saddam didn't launch any aircraft, but if you always fight the last war, you'll get a lot of people killed. Basing our defense plans solely on the last few years is sheer idiocy.
You will find ATOT to be full of people that claim to know more about something than people that work in that particular field.
Thank You AndrewR, you saved me a lot of typing.
And, you explained it best, sure you cna build something cheaper, but will it win against an F22. No.
And, you explained it best, sure you cna build something cheaper, but will it win against an F22. No.
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