Will Conservatives start their own awards program?

[Vic]

Originally posted by: brokendolly

Originally posted by: Vic
for those of us who have the ability to think for ourselves.

Classic randriod cultish statement.

"I am special because I think 'for myself'."

No, you are another tool following the ideas of someone else.

Originally posted by: Vic
clueless anarcho-communist who hasn't the slightest clue what liberalism
and progressivism

Wherever this strawman comes from, nice job with the ad hom of your own .

Liberalism does not = laissez faire

There were many thinkers who came up with modern liberalism, Adam Smith and Rand does not own the title so stfu already with your definition of the word Liberal Uber Alles crap.

"Your idea" (someone elses actually) of classic liberalism is as outdated in the modern world as utopian communism and ofc your view of history.

If you want to rant about how everyone else doesn't understand you (because you are fringe is why) then don't come off such a snarky ass, it doesn't make you look good to anyone but the conservatives in here who think being an asshole is a admirable trait.

Have a nice day, and lay off the caffeine.

Wow... you do an amazing job of making up fantasy arguments for me. Why I bet I could just leave the thread and you could keep pretending to argue with me all by yourself. :laugh:

Look, it's pretty simple here for me to know that I'm dealing with an idiot when I have someone like yourself who claims to believe in anarchy while simultaneously spouting the worst of statist authoritarian ideals as "liberalism." I hate to break it to you, but YOU are the Nazi... or more correctly, their unwitting pawn.

edit: and BTW, my interpretation of liberalism comes from Locke and Jefferson. Just FYI.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I don't see why you criticize Vic for 'ad hom' when you do the very same. Maybe it's the mirror you don't like. At any rate, I keep waiting to see if you will say anything intelligent or meaningful regarding your point of view vs his, but so far it's just insults and slogans, as far as I can see.

I think he's steeplerot come back with a new account. He spouts that same anarchy "uber alles" crap with the same doublethink of anarchy through statism nonsense, ala "arbeit macht frei."

 

[brokendolly]

I am not the one belittling people because they do not subscribe to your crackerjack box ideas of free market being the new utopian dream.
Nor am I saying people are not thinking for themselves if they do not follow my views.
How could they be SO blind as to not understand you and follow the "true, rational" path!
Makes you mad huh? Blow up and get angry much?
As I said, Vic libertarianism uber alles.
I pick you out because I cannot stand self-righteous jerks who think they know anything because they read a rand book and "saw the true path -if only the others understood".

Just another randroid sociopathic wanker.

Let me guess, if you even work you are a failing business owner/mortgage broker/debt collector or some such other wanna-be capitalist hero leeching off peoples misfortunes you justify by rand's selfish bullshit.

The net is infected with psuedo-liberal losers like this everywhere trying to rewrite definitions of the political landscape with rands cultism.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: brokendolly
I am not the one belittling people because they do not subscribe to your crackerjack box ideas of free market being the new utopian dream.
Nor am I saying people are not thinking for themselves if they do not follow my views.
How could they be SO blind as to not understand you and follow the "true, rational" path!
Makes you mad huh? Blow up and get angry much?
As I said, Vic libertarianism uber alles.
I pick you out because I cannot stand self-righteous jerks who think they know anything because they read a rand book and "saw the true path -if only the others understood".

Just another randroid sociopathic wanker.

Let me guess, if you even work you are a failing business owner/mortgage broker/debt collector or some such other wanna-be capitalist hero leeching off peoples misfortunes you justify by rand's selfish bullshit.

The net is infected with psuedo-liberal losers like this everywhere trying to rewrite definitions of the political landscape with rands cultism.

You seem a little obsessed with "rand".

 

[yllus]

Ooh, brokendolly as Steeplerot? Taking a look at his incoherent rantings, random sentence structure and constant regurgitation of a select few phrases - I can see it. Good catch.

 

[yllus]

Edit: FuseTalk exploded.

 

[yllus]

Edit: FuseTalk exploded.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: JD50
You seem a little obsessed with "rand".

Not compared to the righties. Rand's ideology is a central component, whether many of them know it or not, of their fallacious worldview.

IMO, the appeal of Rand is linked to a sort of arrested adolescence; it's very widely referred to as a 'phase' many young people go through, and which most grow out of. Not some righties.

It fits well with my observation of how often the Randian righties have a sort of adolescent, smirking sensibility - unaware of the consequences of their views, but wanting to argue.

A classic example is William Kristol - he has a smirk seemingly permanently etched on his face like none I've seen since Jack Nicholson's "Joker" in Batman.

Somewhat less smirky, but still with a visible adolescence, is Karl Rove - who knew yet another similar person, Grover Norquist, from the college republican days.

There's a pattern with these people - you see the college republican types like these enjoy pulling offensive 'stunts', which was a natural segue into Rove's 'dirty tricks'.

Anyway, to illustrate my point about Rand, here are a few anonymous quotes from random web posters:

Hey, I briefly considered Atlas Shrugged to be the best book I'd ever read. I immediately tracked down and devoured all Rand's available nonfiction too (though for some reason I couldn't get into any of the other novels). Changed my life, it did. Admittedly, I was 12 at the time, and my subsequent Objectivist phase was fairly short-lived.

Rand's writing itself is quite good, but her philosophy doesn't interest me whatsoever, simply because it goes against much of what I believe presently. It seems entirely selfish (Hence The Virtue of Selfishness) and intended for someone who has no grasp of what life and living is all about. I've heard it said that Objectivism is a phase that almost all teenagers and young adults go through. My friend and I spend much joyful hours making fun of Rand's objectivism. But that's beside the point.

I was 19 at the time, and went through the "crazy objectivist phase" that I now understand isn't all that uncommon amongst college students. I was even taken under the wing of one of Rand's own proteges, a professor at my place of learning (this was also Rand's own style, to engage young people on a personal level. She was well known to host groups of them for discussions).

Long story short, a few things knocked me out of my Randian reverie: one was her ghastly prose, another her stance on the arts (which diverged wildly from my own), and oddly enough, the positively gross sex scenes in AS made me think twice. Also, she was a noted as finding homosexuality repulsive? yet another red flag. I grew out of it in time, and try not to beat myself up too much now for sort of falling prey to her propagandist tactics as a young person.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: yllus
Ooh, brokendolly as Steeplerot? Taking a look at his incoherent rantings, random sentence structure and constant regurgitation of a select few phrases - I can see it. Good catch.

Not to mention edits taking place 20 minutes after his posts.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: yllus
Ooh, brokendolly as Steeplerot? Taking a look at his incoherent rantings, random sentence structure and constant regurgitation of a select few phrases - I can see it. Good catch.

Not to mention edits taking place 20 minutes after his posts.

LOL yes! I was watching him edit that reply twice and something about it was nagging at me at the back of my mind. Now I realize what it was about.

Welcome back, Steeplerot! I look forward to more of your incredibly entertaining nonsense.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: yllus
Ooh, brokendolly as Steeplerot? Taking a look at his incoherent rantings, random sentence structure and constant regurgitation of a select few phrases - I can see it. Good catch.

Not to mention edits taking place 20 minutes after his posts.

LOL yes! I was watching him edit that reply twice and something about it was nagging at me at the back of my mind. Now I realize what it was about.

Welcome back, Steeplerot! I look forward to more of your incredibly entertaining nonsense.

Ahem* who are you talking about?

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: yllus
Ooh, brokendolly as Steeplerot? Taking a look at his incoherent rantings, random sentence structure and constant regurgitation of a select few phrases - I can see it. Good catch.

Not to mention edits taking place 20 minutes after his posts.

LOL yes! I was watching him edit that reply twice and something about it was nagging at me at the back of my mind. Now I realize what it was about.

Welcome back, Steeplerot! I look forward to more of your incredibly entertaining nonsense.

Ahem* who are you talking about?

Welcome back, how was Venezuela?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: yllus
Ooh, brokendolly as Steeplerot? Taking a look at his incoherent rantings, random sentence structure and constant regurgitation of a select few phrases - I can see it. Good catch.

Not to mention edits taking place 20 minutes after his posts.

LOL yes! I was watching him edit that reply twice and something about it was nagging at me at the back of my mind. Now I realize what it was about.

Welcome back, Steeplerot! I look forward to more of your incredibly entertaining nonsense.

Ahem* who are you talking about?

Welcome back, how was Venezuela?

Senor Chavez sends his warmest regards to the ze capitalist scum.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: yllus
Ooh, brokendolly as Steeplerot? Taking a look at his incoherent rantings, random sentence structure and constant regurgitation of a select few phrases - I can see it. Good catch.

Not to mention edits taking place 20 minutes after his posts.

LOL yes! I was watching him edit that reply twice and something about it was nagging at me at the back of my mind. Now I realize what it was about.

Welcome back, Steeplerot! I look forward to more of your incredibly entertaining nonsense.

Ahem* who are you talking about?

Welcome back, how was Venezuela?

Senor Chavez sends his warmest regards to the ze capitalist scum.

:laugh:

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: brokendolly
I am not the one belittling people because they do not subscribe to your crackerjack box ideas of free market being the new utopian dream.
Nor am I saying people are not thinking for themselves if they do not follow my views.
How could they be SO blind as to not understand you and follow the "true, rational" path!
Makes you mad huh? Blow up and get angry much?
As I said, Vic libertarianism uber alles.
I pick you out because I cannot stand self-righteous jerks who think they know anything because they read a rand book and "saw the true path -if only the others understood".

Just another randroid sociopathic wanker.

Let me guess, if you even work you are a failing business owner/mortgage broker/debt collector or some such other wanna-be capitalist hero leeching off peoples misfortunes you justify by rand's selfish bullshit.

The net is infected with psuedo-liberal losers like this everywhere trying to rewrite definitions of the political landscape with rands cultism.

I don't hold any utopian ideals but keep trying, eh? My philosophies revolve around the concept of *GASP* leaving people alone.
The only thing that makes me "mad" from your posts in your insistence on making up lies, straw men, and mischaracterizations about me in order to forward your own bizarre utopian ideal. I wonder... why do you need to lie all the time if your ideal is so noble, eh?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: yllus
Ooh, brokendolly as Steeplerot? Taking a look at his incoherent rantings, random sentence structure and constant regurgitation of a select few phrases - I can see it. Good catch.

He also has that same bizarre tactic putting off his emotional state and attitude onto the person he's talking about (not talking to, of course, because he's never really talking to anyone). But then again, Craig234 does exactly the same thing.

Objectivism IMO is an interesting philosophy, but too black and white and no more reflective of liberalism than is socialism or communism. Where these children get confused about open market economics and randism is in the theory of Dispersed Knowledge as developed by Friedrich Hayek, i.e. that no single agent is capable of holding all knowledge in a market/economy, but that pieces of it are dispersed through all the individual agents acting within it through their own self-interest (note: not selfishness, but self-interest -- big difference). And hey, he won the Nobel Prize for that.
Then you have the basis of all liberalism as set forth by John Locke in 1689, which is that each individual is his own sovereign (a statement that was both treason AND heresy at the time, as prior to it was held that the monarchy owned your body and the church your soul).
Which, when you really break it down, is why these idealistic children keep pointing to the straw men of Rand and selfishishness and to various crazy insults and to be obviously blowing their own tempers while accusing me of doing that -- because they have no arguments. If the individual does not own himself, then who does? If knowledge and information are by nature dispersed throughout a marketplace and cannot be consolidated in total by any single agent, then their own economic ideologies of controlled markets are completely infeasible. (I will now await the usual straw men the open or "free" markets somehow means anarchy and a complete absence of the rule of law).

But really, if you want to break it down, just look at the OP. If they're so liberal, then why are they so hateful towards the beliefs of others? And if they're not hateful, then what was the point of the OP?
Which only goes to show, they are the exact opposite of liberals. They would not have a person own himself nor his thoughts. They are QUITE clear, under the false guise of democracy and selfless goodwill, they would tell you what you can own and what you can believe, no different than the monarchies and churches of the middle ages. There's no rewriting in that, thank you very much.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: yllus
Ooh, brokendolly as Steeplerot? Taking a look at his incoherent rantings, random sentence structure and constant regurgitation of a select few phrases - I can see it. Good catch.

Not to mention edits taking place 20 minutes after his posts.

LOL yes! I was watching him edit that reply twice and something about it was nagging at me at the back of my mind. Now I realize what it was about.

Welcome back, Steeplerot! I look forward to more of your incredibly entertaining nonsense.

And is it a coincidence that rot reappears in this thread less than 3 hours later? When he hasn't posted here for months? Hmm....

I don't know if it was a glitch in Fuse Talk or if he was inadvertantly unbanned but it's been dealt with and he won't be posting here again as either Steeplerot or Brokendolly

Anandtech Senior Moderator
Red Dawn

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Vic
And is it a coincidence that rot reappears in this thread less than 3 hours later? When he hasn't posted here for months? Hmm....

There's no such thing as coincidences ... in Washington, or AT P&N.

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
I didn't realize the Nobel Peace Prize has a liberal bias.

Of course it has it. Those nasty liberals giving prizes to liberal scumbags like Kissinger and Winston Churchill....

:laugh: