dphantom
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The Nobel prizes for scientific achievements have been and are completely valid IMO. The Peace Prize has been politicized for a long time. Gore's awarding of the Peace Prize is more a political statement by that particular Nobel committee than anything he did to advance the cause of peace.
Man, those neo-cons are really bitching about it a lot on "The Patriot" station. I used to find it annoying that the guy across the office turns on this radio station every day, but now it's actually amusing.
What a bunch of pathetic little babies. Maybe if they stopped being whiny disgusting warmongering nationalists, and put their minds to something respectable or even mildly useful, they'd stop being the laughing stock of the country. Then again, they wouldn't be neo-cons anymore, then, would they...?
What a bunch of pathetic little babies. Maybe if they stopped being whiny disgusting warmongering nationalists, and put their minds to something respectable or even mildly useful, they'd stop being the laughing stock of the country. Then again, they wouldn't be neo-cons anymore, then, would they...?
Really? And that's why there's a creationist museum that defies science? Who do you think started it? Let me give you a hint: R.
http://www.creationmuseum.org/
It certainly wasn't a scientist.
Let me tell you something, scientists are in the business of knowledge. Believers are not.
Jaskalas
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Reality is defined by perception. Perception is defined by belief.
When there are two competing realities, man-made global warming and naturally occurring cycles, the choice of which one you believe in is defined by belief. There are scientific facts on both theories but only one is the truth.
eits
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TastesLikeChicken
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I guess that would make Gore a believer then because the "science" in his movie has been shredded to pieces.
All hail the god of AGW. Come to think of it, AGW should probably stand for Al Gore Warming now, considering the great honor bestowed upon him.
There is also no absolute truth. It can be updtated constantly. Hence, that is why scientists are always in the pursuit of (new) knowledge. I understand your point regarding global warming and I have my own doubts about the current hysteria over it. But, to say that there is nothing wrong and everything occuring now is natural is the absolute twisting of logic. Therefore, it is my belief that we should acknowledge the obvious: man is doing unnatural things to the environment that have had irrefutable consequences. Therefore, it is best to regress those consequences rather than argue about them. Those that refuse to believe in the "religion" that is becoming global warming are doing so out of short-term self-interest while those that are preaching about it are doing it out of the interest of all. It's like the prisoner's dilemna game.
However, this topic is a natural aberration to my main reason for starting this thread. I've seen reports of people being against advancements simply because of an irrational fear that it may lead to an unpalatable way of life, which is absurd considering no one can predict the future. In the end, they give preference to their beliefs rather than the science at hand (or call for more research). We saw this in Texas with the governor and its legislator and with the President of Iran railings against the Holocaust. Laughable they may be, the consequences are far too serious to ignore. Science should never be a convenient tool to use when it suits you. It should be seen as the purest form of truth, independent of, and above, all else.
eits
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To some extent, there is a reason liberals get Nobel prizes and conservatives do not. Because only with a "liberal" mindset is someone able to step back and put on the table the outrageous idea of questioning old dogmas, and then to be comfortable enough to play around with how to rearrange new perceptions of reality. And then to keep playing around while doing the hard work to start elevating a hypothesis to a testable theory.
Conservatives by definition cling too tightly to old dogma's.
Conservatives by definition cling too tightly to old dogma's.
Vic
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Flamebait troll. Should be locked. This is crossing the line. That a particular mod known for his emotional and moral authoritarian tirades posted in (and subsequently endorsed) this flamebait is not surprising though.
And the idea that scientific prizes go along partisan lines is perhaps the ugliest piece of "dogma" mindset I've heard in a long time. Real science doesn't care about your politics, politics just cares about having their agendas get the endorsements of the "priests." It's no wonder that intelligent discussions are impossible here.
And the idea that scientific prizes go along partisan lines is perhaps the ugliest piece of "dogma" mindset I've heard in a long time. Real science doesn't care about your politics, politics just cares about having their agendas get the endorsements of the "priests." It's no wonder that intelligent discussions are impossible here.
Vic
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Tell me, what is "progressive" about wanting to expand prohibition?Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: eits
haha nice:thumbsup:
double :thumbsup:
btw thank goodness learned scientists are progressive thinkers. Imagine what would have happened if all the scientists who fled the Nazis were neo-cons who believed the propaganda....
What is "progressive" about wanting to increase authoritarian control to include privacy invasions into personal economic activities and private health concerns?
What is "progressive" about wanting to bring back all the mega-factory jobs a la the 1950's?
What is "progressive" about thinking you know how other people should live their lives better than they do themselves?
Tell me, what is "liberal" about constantly spouting about the evils of free markets (an economic concept born of liberalism)?
Or, what is "democratic" about using vocal political activist groups in order to steamroll over the consensus of the majority?
Or would you like to tell me what is "enlightened" about keeping poor undeveloped countries from developing in the name of environmentalism and anti-globalism? Or in believing that it's okay for those poor people to suffer and die because of overpopulation?
The problem with the "progressives" on ATPN is that you're about as progressive as those who wish that the British monarchy still ruled over the US. That's why, as a liberal, I always run afoul of you idiots here -- you wouldn't know liberal and progressive philosophies if they bit you on the ass.
But hey, you're cool... you can just point to a small minority of creationists and because of that falsely (and in perfect straw man-like fashion) claim that all of science is somehow on your side while you go back to discussing conspiracy theories, Roswell, and Area 51.
edit: and the irony of your statement about the Nazi scientists is comical beyond belief. WTF do you think you are when you're not really a liberal or a progressive?
TastesLikeChicken
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Bullseye. Nice. :thumbsup:Originally posted by: Vic
Tell me, what is "progressive" about wanting to expand prohibition?Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: eits
haha nice
double :thumbsup:
btw thank goodness learned scientists are progressive thinkers. Imagine what would have happened if all the scientists who fled the Nazis were neo-cons who believed the propaganda....
What is "progressive" about wanting to increase authoritarian control to include privacy invasions into personal economic activities and private health concerns?
What is "progressive" about wanting to bring back all the mega-factory jobs a la the 1950's?
What is "progressive" about thinking you know how other people should live their lives better than they do themselves?
Tell me, what is "liberal" about constantly spouting about the evils of free markets (an economic concept born of liberalism)?
Or, what is "democratic" about using vocal political activist groups in order to steamroll over the consensus of the majority?
Or would you like to tell me what is "enlightened" about keeping poor undeveloped countries from developing in the name of environmentalism and anti-globalism? Or in believing that it's okay for those poor people to suffer and die because of overpopulation?
The problem with the "progressives" on ATPN is that you're about as progressive as those who wish that the British monarchy still ruled over the US. That's why, as a liberal, I always run afoul of you idiots here -- you wouldn't know liberal and progressive philosophies if they bit you on the ass.
But hey, you're cool... you can just point to a small minority of creationists and because of that falsely (and in perfect straw man-like fashion) claim that all of science is somehow on your side while you go back to discussing conspiracy theories, Roswell, and Area 51.
edit: and the irony of your statement about the Nazi scientists is comical beyond belief. WTF do you think you are when you're not really a liberal or a progressive?
Originally posted by: Vic
Tell me, what is "progressive" about wanting to expand prohibition?Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: eits
haha nice
double :thumbsup:
btw thank goodness learned scientists are progressive thinkers. Imagine what would have happened if all the scientists who fled the Nazis were neo-cons who believed the propaganda....
What is "progressive" about wanting to increase authoritarian control to include privacy invasions into personal economic activities and private health concerns?
What is "progressive" about wanting to bring back all the mega-factory jobs a la the 1950's?
What is "progressive" about thinking you know how other people should live their lives better than they do themselves?
Tell me, what is "liberal" about constantly spouting about the evils of free markets (an economic concept born of liberalism)?
Or, what is "democratic" about using vocal political activist groups in order to steamroll over the consensus of the majority?
Or would you like to tell me what is "enlightened" about keeping poor undeveloped countries from developing in the name of environmentalism and anti-globalism? Or in believing that it's okay for those poor people to suffer and die because of overpopulation?
The problem with the "progressives" on ATPN is that you're about as progressive as those who wish that the British monarchy still ruled over the US. That's why, as a liberal, I always run afoul of you idiots here -- you wouldn't know liberal and progressive philosophies if they bit you on the ass.
But hey, you're cool... you can just point to a small minority of creationists and because of that falsely (and in perfect straw man-like fashion) claim that all of science is somehow on your side while you go back to discussing conspiracy theories, Roswell, and Area 51.
edit: and the irony of your statement about the Nazi scientists is comical beyond belief. WTF do you think you are when you're not really a liberal or a progressive?
Did you fail to see the quotation marks for liberal that I put in the original post? And the current administration has done a good job blurring the line between liberalism and conservatism when it comes to big brother tactics, so, yeah, you may be right in your intentions but your target is somewhat off.
Vic
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I don't require your endorsement, TLC. Your side is just the other part of the equation, and I'll get to lambasting it soon enough. Why don't you go whine and cry about the many evils of socialism but OMG we can't stop fighting that war what about all the defense jobs?!?!? :roll:
TastesLikeChicken
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Sorry. I didn't realize that only your ideological equals were allowed to endorse your comments. Maybe THAT'S really what's wrong with politics today?
btw, it wasn't an endorsement. I merely agreed that you were spot on in your assessment. If you don't feel there's any value in that, oh well. I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over it.
dphantom
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Originally posted by: Vic
Tell me, what is "progressive" about wanting to expand prohibition?Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: eits
haha nice
double :thumbsup:
btw thank goodness learned scientists are progressive thinkers. Imagine what would have happened if all the scientists who fled the Nazis were neo-cons who believed the propaganda....
What is "progressive" about wanting to increase authoritarian control to include privacy invasions into personal economic activities and private health concerns?
What is "progressive" about wanting to bring back all the mega-factory jobs a la the 1950's?
What is "progressive" about thinking you know how other people should live their lives better than they do themselves?
Tell me, what is "liberal" about constantly spouting about the evils of free markets (an economic concept born of liberalism)?
Or, what is "democratic" about using vocal political activist groups in order to steamroll over the consensus of the majority?
Or would you like to tell me what is "enlightened" about keeping poor undeveloped countries from developing in the name of environmentalism and anti-globalism? Or in believing that it's okay for those poor people to suffer and die because of overpopulation?
The problem with the "progressives" on ATPN is that you're about as progressive as those who wish that the British monarchy still ruled over the US. That's why, as a liberal, I always run afoul of you idiots here -- you wouldn't know liberal and progressive philosophies if they bit you on the ass.
But hey, you're cool... you can just point to a small minority of creationists and because of that falsely (and in perfect straw man-like fashion) claim that all of science is somehow on your side while you go back to discussing conspiracy theories, Roswell, and Area 51.
edit: and the irony of your statement about the Nazi scientists is comical beyond belief. WTF do you think you are when you're not really a liberal or a progressive?
Well spoken.
Well that does it. I'm not going to go 'right on' when he does do you side. But I will watch to see if you do.
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