Will an X800XTPE handle Doom 3 well?

[knyghtbyte]

Originally posted by: rbV5

Originally posted by: knyghtbyte
so gimme a link to somewhere with a 9800 Pro at full ultra settings (with or without AA, i'll leave that to you, but given most people do want to use AA if they can i think its sensible to include it) getting perfect 60fps....because thats what the guy i was debating with was originally claiming, that there is no game that can test the 9800 Pro.....that phrasing means the 9800 Pro can run it at 60fps at full Ultra........ok so he then changed it to 40fps when he realised his statement was a load of crap.....i still think he'll find it difficult to get an in game average of 40fps at full Ultra, simply because i had a 9800XT and i couldnt get that, granted it was on a 3Ghz P4, but that isnt too much out of whack with what most people would have a 9800 series card paired with anyhow given when they were released etc.......

and dont tell me to find the link, i've got the card above the one he is making claims on and i've seen what it can do and compared it to my overclocked 6800GTO, i want one of you guys to prove it to me, im not trawling through all the tests on a site.....

Don't mistake me pointing out some posted inaccuracies as somehow giving a rats-ass about your little spitting match, because I really don't. I already said that any claims about Doom3 performance is easily backed up, I'm making no claims so look it up yourself.

making no claims? but you did....when i get home and i have full access to websites (love the filters here, some work some dont..lol) i'll try and find some 64Mb card reviews...heh

oh i know if you tone down the quality quite drastically it will play...but whats the point? the whole idea of Doom3 is it looks gorgeous, its nothing but a glorified shooter for the gameplay side of it....lol


and as you can see in my post previous to this one, your linky has already proved more to my side as they were only testing High Quality, not Ultra...and the with AA backs me up...AA is used in a lot of tests, its used in tests here on AT, and if you got the puter to do it, use it, games look sweet with it on

btw, im at work and bored, so please dont take this personally, its just aggresive debating to get me through the day.....makes it go quicker....heh....i could never get seriously wound up just over a graphics card difference....lol

 

[rbV5]

(this is your linky remember)

Yea my link to show 64 MB cards benchmarked and showing AA not enable by default in High or Ultra quality modes. Read my lips, "I could care less about his claims for his 9800 or your debate about "its" performance.

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: knyghtbyte
so gimme a link to somewhere with a 9800 Pro at full ultra settings (with or without AA, i'll leave that to you, but given most people do want to use AA if they can i think its sensible to include it) getting perfect 60fps....because thats what the guy i was debating with was originally claiming, that there is no game that can test the 9800 Pro.....that phrasing means the 9800 Pro can run it at 60fps at full Ultra........ok so he then changed it to 40fps when he realised his statement was a load of crap.....i still think he'll find it difficult to get an in game average of 40fps at full Ultra, simply because i had a 9800XT and i couldnt get that, granted it was on a 3Ghz P4, but that isnt too much out of whack with what most people would have a 9800 series card paired with anyhow given when they were released etc.......

and dont tell me to find the link, i've got the card above the one he is making claims on and i've seen what it can do and compared it to my overclocked 6800GTO, i want one of you guys to prove it to me, im not trawling through all the tests on a site.....

edit: oh btw, unless im much mistaken, most sites/mags that review do tests with and without AA switched on (sometimes various levels of AA).....so why do they do that if AA isnt considered useful or important as you are suggesting?

Tell me, where did I say that a 9800 Pro gets 60fps at ultra in Doom 3?

 

[knyghtbyte]

Originally posted by: rbV5

(this is your linky remember)

Yea my link to show 64 MB cards benchmarked and showing AA not enable by default in High or Ultra quality modes. Read my lips, "I could care less about his claims for his 9800 or your debate about "its" performance.[/q]


ok, im quite happy to apologise for only clicking one of the linkies, my bad....

however the cards in that list with 64Mb vRAM dont exactly look playable in my book, having to resort to medium settings at 800 x 600 to get 35-40 fps isnt what i'd say Doom3 designers truly envisaged....lol
i see the 4200Ti there, but they dont say if its the 128Mb or the 64Mb....im guessing from the fps is 128Mb....i dont remember my 64Mb being that close to the 4600 in performance...lol


oh, and on the highlighted part of this quote......you do care because you a) found the linkies, and b) are still posting....go on, you know you love it...you want a 9800 Pro yourself, but wasnt sure if it would go well with the P3 500Mhz you had your eyes on......hehe ;-)

but seriously, to the 9800 Pro guy, it is tested by current gen games and will be made absolute bottom of the pile for the games out next year....if you wanna see them as they meant to be seen........

to the OP...oh christ, i forgot what this started off as now...lol
:laugh:

 

[knyghtbyte]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: knyghtbyte
so gimme a link to somewhere with a 9800 Pro at full ultra settings (with or without AA, i'll leave that to you, but given most people do want to use AA if they can i think its sensible to include it) getting perfect 60fps....because thats what the guy i was debating with was originally claiming, that there is no game that can test the 9800 Pro.....that phrasing means the 9800 Pro can run it at 60fps at full Ultra........ok so he then changed it to 40fps when he realised his statement was a load of crap.....i still think he'll find it difficult to get an in game average of 40fps at full Ultra, simply because i had a 9800XT and i couldnt get that, granted it was on a 3Ghz P4, but that isnt too much out of whack with what most people would have a 9800 series card paired with anyhow given when they were released etc.......

and dont tell me to find the link, i've got the card above the one he is making claims on and i've seen what it can do and compared it to my overclocked 6800GTO, i want one of you guys to prove it to me, im not trawling through all the tests on a site.....

edit: oh btw, unless im much mistaken, most sites/mags that review do tests with and without AA switched on (sometimes various levels of AA).....so why do they do that if AA isnt considered useful or important as you are suggesting?

Tell me, where did I say that a 9800 Pro gets 60fps at ultra in Doom 3?

hmm...try reading on a bit instead of just using a part of a phrase, that whats politicians do (or rather their spin doctors)...........you claimed the 9800 Pro can run any current game at max settings at 1024, giving the implication it does it at full fps (with Doom3 being capped at 60, i said 60)......well, Doom3, at max (Ultra, and in my opinion with 4x AA, thats also a lot of other peoples opinion at being maxed out) at 1024, will make the 9800 Pro slideshow the game at i would say around 20fps tops....that isnt running a game, thats barely being able to play it.....certainly a far cry from the 40+ you are most certainly quotable of claiming it can do.....but of course you wernt including AA were you, why not??? thats a max setting, if you ignore AA then you missing out....it does affect how the game looks.....otherwise why do they bother to have it and use it in tests???...lol

anyhow, the working day is over, cheers for helping make it go so quick, i bid you farewell for the day gentleman (and ladies if any present, ok, and aliens, legal, illegal or real...heh)

:laugh:

 

[rbV5]

however the cards in that list with 64Mb vRAM dont exactly look playable in my book, having to resort to medium settings at 800 x 600 to get 35-40 fps isnt what i'd say Doom3 designers truly envisaged....lol
i see the 4200Ti there, but they dont say if its the 128Mb or the 64Mb....im guessing from the fps is 128Mb....i dont remember my 64Mb being that close to the 4600 in performance...lol

I'm assuming its exactly what they envisioned, modern gaming engine with advanced audio and graphic freatures, yet still playable on legacy hardware. (my Gainward 64MB ti4200 was faster than the 128MB models btw)

oh, and on the highlighted part of this quote......you do care because you a) found the linkies, and b) are still posting....go on, you know you love it...you want a 9800 Pro yourself, but wasnt sure if it would go well with the P3 500Mhz you had your eyes on......hehe ;-)

I use the links to back up my statements (in reference to your mis-statements), you might try it yourself so as to avoid making an ass of yourself. I wouldn't turn down a 9800pro either, and I really having nothing to drop a P3 500Mhz processor into, but I'd take one if somebody gave it to me.

 

[xtknight]

Doom 3 does not set Antialiasing when you select Medium, High, or Ultra. I just tested this. It does set AF sometimes, which is less demanding, and IMO a smart decision.

Low-0xAA, 0xAF
Medium-0xAA, 1xAF
High-0xAA, 8xAF
Ultra-0xAA, 8xAF

I don't know where this 9800 PRO talk got in, but an X800 XT PE will run Quake 4 admirably. I know the X800 XT PE can nearly max out Doom 3, so you should be almost as well with Quake 4.

Edit: spelling.

 

[knyghtbyte]

Originally posted by: rbV5

however the cards in that list with 64Mb vRAM dont exactly look playable in my book, having to resort to medium settings at 800 x 600 to get 35-40 fps isnt what i'd say Doom3 designers truly envisaged....lol
i see the 4200Ti there, but they dont say if its the 128Mb or the 64Mb....im guessing from the fps is 128Mb....i dont remember my 64Mb being that close to the 4600 in performance...lol

I'm assuming its exactly what they envisioned, modern gaming engine with advanced audio and graphic freatures, yet still playable on legacy hardware. (my Gainward 64MB ti4200 was faster than the 128MB models btw)

oh, and on the highlighted part of this quote......you do care because you a) found the linkies, and b) are still posting....go on, you know you love it...you want a 9800 Pro yourself, but wasnt sure if it would go well with the P3 500Mhz you had your eyes on......hehe ;-)

I use the links to back up my statements (in reference to your mis-statements), you might try it yourself so as to avoid making an ass of yourself. I wouldn't turn down a 9800pro either, and I really having nothing to drop a P3 500Mhz processor into, but I'd take one if somebody gave it to me.

a 9800 Pro is NOT capable of playing any currently available game at max settings, even on 1024 at a truly playable rate...under 40fps is not nice..50 is just about acceptable....which would mean turning down options.....that is what the other guy was trying to make the point of and what i argued against......far as im concerned, maxing the settings will include turning on AA, as i said previously WHY IS IT THERE if it isnt to be used??? It IS a graphical enhancement setting! the same as AF!

So how have i made an ass out of myself? your linky helped prove that the 9800 Pro isnt truly capable as the other guy said which proves my point...why do i need to post when my 'mis-statements' seem to bear fruit.... ok, so Doom3 doesnt turn AA on at Ultra settings (and i did apologise for not being sure on that..i think), so what? HL2 does.....or are you saying the biggest game of this year is wrong to do that?...lol.....i would turn down a 9800 Pro, going back to my 9800XT after playing on my cranked up 6800GTO was like going back to a SNES from a Gamecube far as im concerned....CS:S looks so much different.....would comment on Doom3 but its been a while since i played it...heh....

the 9800 Pro talk xtknight came in when someone claimed its the only card you need if you play at 1024x768, that Doom3 doesnt test its abilities.......er.....ok.....lol
i've been quite happily agreeing the X800 suggested will be nice, all i originally wanted to put across at one point was that i think its a mistake buying an AGP mid-high end card now, i think money would be better saved to a PCI-E system and a PCI-E card, give it a year and i doubt they will make even mid end cards in AGP.....the big boys such as Dell want PCI-E to become the norm now, the honeymoon period is over, its time to divorce AGP.....and all that stuff......but who knows.....mebbe a AGP revolution will happen and PCI-E will be beheaded and the low bandwidth will rule!....*grins maniacally*

ho hum...time to go play Worms 4.......better crank up the GTO, takes a big hit with full AA when playing worms.....heh......wind it up up up up......

 

[dguy6789]

The ONLY thing I stated orginally, was that a 9800 Pro can run ANY game at 1024X768 with maximum graphical settings at a completely playable level.

This has been blown into big proportions about aa and whether or not 60fps is playable and whatnot.

When I said what I said above, I did not say Anti Aliasing. Although Doom 3 does include AF in the ultra quality menu.

 

[rbV5]

why do i need to post

I was asking that myself.

 

[OvErHeAtInG]

Jesus.

9800 pro: plays Doom 3 at 1024, medium everything. Looks great, pretty smooth. Not as good as 6600GT though.

X800 XT-PE: Should play Doom 3 on HIGH settings, 1280. Just leave AA off since you don't really need it.

I'm having the same questions with my Northwood P4 at 2.85. From what I'm seeing, you and I should be fine.

 

[MBrown]

I dont thnk the Dell XPS have 7800s yet.

 

[knyghtbyte]

Originally posted by: MBrown
I dont thnk the Dell XPS have 7800s yet.

Dell UK doesnt seem to be stating that ordering a 7800 will result in a delay of any kind..

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: knyghtbyte

Originally posted by: dguy6789
Um LMAO.

Your x800xtpe would handle this game at LEST at 1280 maximum settings...

Your WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY underestimating what that card can do.

Heck, there is NO game out right now that a Radeon 9800 Pro can't run at 1024X768 at maximum settings, Fear will be the first one supposedly. Your card is a little over twice as fast as a 9800 Pro.

Quake 4 is based off the Doom 3 engine, which your card would run with PURE EASE, so even if Quake 4 took 50% more power(which there is no way in hell that it will) you would still run it well.

99% of the people here don't have a clue what CPU bottlenecking means, so take what those people tell you about cpu bottlenecking with a grain of salt.

um, a Radeon Pro at 1024 will struggle to run Doom 3 with max settings...lolol...u obviously arnt aware of just how much AA takes to work.....nevermind the other options....

CPU's are bottlenecked by the physics in the games, the GPU handles what things look like when they fly around, the CPU tells the GPU where the thing is flying and what'll happen when it hits something and the GPU then decides what it should look like after its hit the something....etc etc.....so if your CPU is too slow then your framerate will drop (hence Chateau in CS:S slows down a lot in the cellars cuz of all the people trampling thru water creating spray, especially if any nades go off...).....however if they bring out the PhysX chip as something you can whack in a PCI slot then it will mean a P4 3ghz equivelant chip will be a happy level to have with a 7800GTX cuz the PhysX chip will handle the games PhysX......supposedly....lol

but yes, an X800XT PE is a nice card to keep you going for a year or so, but it may be worth beefing up your processor (either new one or o/c it)

I never once said a Radeon 9800 Pro would run Doom 3 at 1024 max settings with AA. If you read it real carefully you will notice I said at 1024 Max settings, this applies to a game's settings, not including anti aliasing.

To mindgam3, that is at 800X600, and the framerate is already over 60, which is enough performance for any game. I never said it wouldn't bottleneck it. You must understand, 95% of ALL cpu bottlenecking occurs because you are not stressing the gpu enough. If that becnhmark was at 1600X1200 with AA/AF then you would see very small if no difference between fps on all the systems listed there.

What most people on this board and many others believe, is that a cpu bottleneck affects a game's playability. It does NOT unless your cpu is some real slugger. CPU bottlenecking occurs when your gpu is not doing enough work, the point where a faster cpu gives your more fps.((For the 6800 and x800 owners, EVERY ONE OF YOU is cpu bottlenecked in something like quake 3)that does NOT make it unplayable now does it?) If you are at this point, crank up some more details.

Have you played the game? AA is a graphics setting in game.

 

[ArchAngel777]

I can only comment based on my opinion. I played Doom3 on a 9500 Pro + XP 2500+ Barton with 768 MB of ram and Doom3 ran wonderfully. Of course, I certainly did not turn everything to high, but it looked awesome none the less. I think sometimes people overhype certain options and that is why I believe many of these things are... um.... Psycological?

Anyway, the problem with my setup was the ATI 9500 Pro if you could call it a proble, because it ran awesome on mine. No complaints... Too bad the game sucked.*

I am sure you will be able to play Quake 4 pretty smoothly with some of the best eye candy.*

* My Opinion