Will an X800XTPE handle Doom 3 well?

[LoungeAct404]

my system is the following:

amd 2800+ athlon xp barton - cpu
volcano 12 extreme edition - heatsink
soyo kt600 dragon plus - mobo
2x512 corsair value ram pc3200(down to pc2700) - ram
ati radeon x800xt platinum edition - video card
onboard - sound/lan
western digital 120gb - hard drive
fortron 400w - power supply

I got in on the refurb X800XTPE from ATi.com deal, so it still hasn't shipped. Anyone know if I'll be able to get constant max FPS if I run it at lowest settings on my rig? I really should have bought a 6800gt for Quake 4, but I couldn't resist the price of the X800XTPE :xxx

Thanks for the feedback,
Greg

 

[Marsumane]

This system's focus is specifically quake 4 and not games in general? I assusme thats what u meant by the above post. If so, yes you will be able to run it on low settings. Actually, i expect ud be able to run it on upper-medium to lower-high settings on that system. Also, it depends on what you personally require for framerate. You said "max fps" which doesnt tell me much. If you don't need above 60fps (the standard avg in most pplz opinions for fps games) then ull be happy with your purchase on medium to high settings. That is my speculation atleast.

 

[baddog121390]

i would be suprised if that system couldnt run quake4 on high settings...

but you'll definitley get at least medium settings

 

[mindgam3]

Your cpu will be holding your FPS back not the x800xtpe .

 

[LoungeAct404]

Well, here's my thinking:

In Quake 3, everyone changed r_picmip to 3 or 5, thus lowering the graphics considerably, so they could see the enemies better. They also added a number of commands that increased performance, as well as making the enemy model a huge neon green guy that was the loudest whenever he jumped and moved, so you'd be able to hear and know where your opponent was at all times. Quake has always been a highly modifiable game, and I'm hoping Quake 4 will be as well. If it is, then I shouldn't have much problem running it. I'm not in it for the eye candy, I'm in it for the multiplayer gameplay, and if I have to reduce my graphics to see the enemy better, so be it.

On the other hand, ATi rapes nVidia at Half-Life 2, a game that isn't as modifiable as far as graphics go. In CAL, if you even change the skin of your knife, you're banned. So, if Quake 4 works out like I'm hoping it will, I'll be getting the best of both worlds for a relatively cheap price.

By the way, I hear that Doom 3 is locked at 60 fps? Can someone clarify that for me? Like, say you get 100 fps on a benchmark or whatever, are you going to be able to notice that vs. a system that gets 70 fps constantly? It sounds like a dumb question, but I want to be sure ;x

 

[LoungeAct404]

Originally posted by: mindgam3
Your cpu will be holding your FPS back not the x800xtpe .

You think so, eh? I'm hoping it won't too much, my budget's pretty crappy right now, can't really upgrade for awhile.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: LoungeAct404

Originally posted by: mindgam3
Your cpu will be holding your FPS back not the x800xtpe .

You think so, eh? I'm hoping it won't too much, my budget's pretty crappy right now, can't really upgrade for awhile.

yes.
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050705/vga-charts-pcie-07.html

 

[Bateluer]

The CPU is definitely going to be the bottle neck when paired with an X800XT, in today's titles. But, regarding how well the game will run Quake 4, thats all speculation because there hasn't been any leaked alphas/betas or system specs released. Its only rumors.

I think you'd be better served by saving your money and waiting until Q4's release, then seeing what you can do. Thats my opinion though.

 

[mindgam3]

Yes your cpu will hurt you bigtime especially in multiplayer with multiple enemies on the screen... at the very least overclock it to a 3200xp !

 

[5150Joker]

Have you seen Quake 4 vids? Doesn't look much better than Quake 3 so I doubt your X800XT will have a problem running it.

 

[LoungeAct404]

Actually it looks loads better than Quake 3...as for not having any Quake betas released, I'm just talking about Doom 3 because it's using the Doom 3 engine, and if you can get max fps on Doom 3, you shouldn't have problem getting max fps on Quake 4...

 

[kylebisme]

Doom 3 is capped at 60fps for gameplay, and uncapped for benchmarks. As for maintaining a constent 60fps, you aren't going to get that no matter what videocard you get or how low you turn your settings; the rest of your system just isn't going to keep up. I doubt even the fastest systems could keep a constant 60fps though Doom3, maybe at the lowest settings but even then only barely and with nothing but the fastest hardware. However, I played Doom3 on a 2ghz barton and an x800xt-pe at 1280x720 with most everything cranked and it kept at 60fps quite a bit and rarely dropped below 30.

On a side note, I don't know where you got the idea that ATI rapes Nvidia at Half-Life 2; ATI cards to tend to do a bit better in that game but it really isn't by much in real world useage, and the opposite is true for Doom3.

 

[dguy6789]

Um LMAO.

Your x800xtpe would handle this game at LEST at 1280 maximum settings...

Your WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY underestimating what that card can do.

Heck, there is NO game out right now that a Radeon 9800 Pro can't run at 1024X768 at maximum settings, Fear will be the first one supposedly. Your card is a little over twice as fast as a 9800 Pro.

Quake 4 is based off the Doom 3 engine, which your card would run with PURE EASE, so even if Quake 4 took 50% more power(which there is no way in hell that it will) you would still run it well.

99% of the people here don't have a clue what CPU bottlenecking means, so take what those people tell you about cpu bottlenecking with a grain of salt.

 

[mindgam3]

Originally posted by: dguy6789
Um LMAO.

Your x800xtpe would handle this game at LEST at 1280 maximum settings...

Your WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY underestimating what that card can do.

Heck, there is NO game out right now that a Radeon 9800 Pro can't run at 1024X768 at maximum settings, Fear will be the first one supposedly. Your card is a little over twice as fast as a 9800 Pro.

Quake 4 is based off the Doom 3 engine, which your card would run with PURE EASE, so even if Quake 4 took 50% more power(which there is no way in hell that it will) you would still run it well.


99% of the people here don't have a clue what CPU bottlenecking means, so take what those people tell you about cpu bottlenecking with a grain of salt.

Ok sir, so your trying to say a 2800xp isnt going to bottleneck his performance... LOL
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2149&p=7

 

[LoungeAct404]

OUCH, I never even saw that.

Man, that really sucks.

 

[Powermoloch]

My setup works fine, especially w/ a sempron and x850xt. They are great friends :beer: my screen can go up to 1280-1024/960 perfectly

 

[Powermoloch]

Why not grab A64 proc and a really nice mobo. Better technology, yields better frame rate performance.

 

[knyghtbyte]

Originally posted by: dguy6789
Um LMAO.

Your x800xtpe would handle this game at LEST at 1280 maximum settings...

Your WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY underestimating what that card can do.

Heck, there is NO game out right now that a Radeon 9800 Pro can't run at 1024X768 at maximum settings, Fear will be the first one supposedly. Your card is a little over twice as fast as a 9800 Pro.

Quake 4 is based off the Doom 3 engine, which your card would run with PURE EASE, so even if Quake 4 took 50% more power(which there is no way in hell that it will) you would still run it well.

99% of the people here don't have a clue what CPU bottlenecking means, so take what those people tell you about cpu bottlenecking with a grain of salt.

um, a Radeon Pro at 1024 will struggle to run Doom 3 with max settings...lolol...u obviously arnt aware of just how much AA takes to work.....nevermind the other options....

CPU's are bottlenecked by the physics in the games, the GPU handles what things look like when they fly around, the CPU tells the GPU where the thing is flying and what'll happen when it hits something and the GPU then decides what it should look like after its hit the something....etc etc.....so if your CPU is too slow then your framerate will drop (hence Chateau in CS:S slows down a lot in the cellars cuz of all the people trampling thru water creating spray, especially if any nades go off...).....however if they bring out the PhysX chip as something you can whack in a PCI slot then it will mean a P4 3ghz equivelant chip will be a happy level to have with a 7800GTX cuz the PhysX chip will handle the games PhysX......supposedly....lol

but yes, an X800XT PE is a nice card to keep you going for a year or so, but it may be worth beefing up your processor (either new one or o/c it)

 

[LoungeAct404]

what I think I'm gonna do is sell the X800XT and wait until Q4 comes out and prices drop. Until then I'll just practice q3 so I'll be prepared

Would a 3000+ amd 64 and a nforce4 ultra-d DFI lanparty work? and maybe a pci-e 6800gt/ultra? Hopefully I'lll be able to get all that for around or under 400$ by then.

 

[mindgam3]

Id say that would be a good purchase especially since i have a 3000+ running at 4000+ speeds.. Its a good buy!

 

[LoungeAct404]

wow nice, what ram do you have?

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: knyghtbyte

Originally posted by: dguy6789
Um LMAO.

Your x800xtpe would handle this game at LEST at 1280 maximum settings...

Your WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY underestimating what that card can do.

Heck, there is NO game out right now that a Radeon 9800 Pro can't run at 1024X768 at maximum settings, Fear will be the first one supposedly. Your card is a little over twice as fast as a 9800 Pro.

Quake 4 is based off the Doom 3 engine, which your card would run with PURE EASE, so even if Quake 4 took 50% more power(which there is no way in hell that it will) you would still run it well.

99% of the people here don't have a clue what CPU bottlenecking means, so take what those people tell you about cpu bottlenecking with a grain of salt.

um, a Radeon Pro at 1024 will struggle to run Doom 3 with max settings...lolol...u obviously arnt aware of just how much AA takes to work.....nevermind the other options....

CPU's are bottlenecked by the physics in the games, the GPU handles what things look like when they fly around, the CPU tells the GPU where the thing is flying and what'll happen when it hits something and the GPU then decides what it should look like after its hit the something....etc etc.....so if your CPU is too slow then your framerate will drop (hence Chateau in CS:S slows down a lot in the cellars cuz of all the people trampling thru water creating spray, especially if any nades go off...).....however if they bring out the PhysX chip as something you can whack in a PCI slot then it will mean a P4 3ghz equivelant chip will be a happy level to have with a 7800GTX cuz the PhysX chip will handle the games PhysX......supposedly....lol

but yes, an X800XT PE is a nice card to keep you going for a year or so, but it may be worth beefing up your processor (either new one or o/c it)

I never once said a Radeon 9800 Pro would run Doom 3 at 1024 max settings with AA. If you read it real carefully you will notice I said at 1024 Max settings, this applies to a game's settings, not including anti aliasing.

To mindgam3, that is at 800X600, and the framerate is already over 60, which is enough performance for any game. I never said it wouldn't bottleneck it. You must understand, 95% of ALL cpu bottlenecking occurs because you are not stressing the gpu enough. If that becnhmark was at 1600X1200 with AA/AF then you would see very small if no difference between fps on all the systems listed there.

What most people on this board and many others believe, is that a cpu bottleneck affects a game's playability. It does NOT unless your cpu is some real slugger. CPU bottlenecking occurs when your gpu is not doing enough work, the point where a faster cpu gives your more fps.((For the 6800 and x800 owners, EVERY ONE OF YOU is cpu bottlenecked in something like quake 3)that does NOT make it unplayable now does it?) If you are at this point, crank up some more details.

 

[subzero813]

i bought an X800 XT as my card for Quake 4...i got it cheaper than i could find a 6800 Ultra for, and its close enough in tests. both cards can hit 100+fps at 800x600 with faster processors/motherboards. and that's ideal.

i'm currently on a Athlon XP 3200+ (Barton), the last/best of the K7s, and i have it running at 2.31GHz so i'm gonna stick with it and see how Q4 runs.

Q4...should not be as CPU-intensive as D3...Q4 has a much simpler, traditional lighting system than Doom 3 (one reason you can clearly see in Q4 as opposed to D3), so expect FPS to jump slightly. however 60fps cap you have in D3 is probably gonna be gone in Q4...unless they fix the physics, like Q3, the physics go hand in hand with the FPS you get. you need like ~125fps in Q3 for optimal physics (it actually affects distance/speed of jumps when you strafe jump).

so if my system can keep it above 60fps and its playable i'll keep it. if it turns out i need more like 85+fps in that game, i'll upgrade. either way i need a new system in time for UT2007 which shouldn't run at all on this thing.

 

[hans030390]

You'll be fine running the game on high settings.

Still, i would have gone for the 6800ultra if i were you...but i wont say anything.

 

[Muscles]

I'm a hardcore Quaker myself and I think you made a mistake going with ATI. I'm still on a system I built a few years ago which is:

P4 3.0C @ 3.5 ghz
Asus P4C800-E Deluxe
1 gig OCZ Gold Rev2 pc3700
Audigy 2
Radeon 9800 pro

Despite what dguy says he's living in a dreamworld. I'm planning on building myself a brand new system a few days before I can buy Quake 4 so I'm ready. I'll be attending a lot of tournies like the CPL etc. so I want the best rig possible. Nvidia leads ATI by quite a margin in OpenGL games so I'll be getting 2 7800GTX SLI for sure unless ATI pulls something out of their ass with R520 if it even comes out by then. I can't wait to build my new kickass rig around October