Will a 1070 Be Faster Than 2x 970's

[Sithtiger]

I currently have two GTX 970's and I'm looking to get one GTX 1070 when it comes out. Will the 1070 be faster than my two 970's? I initially heard that the 1080 will be up to 10 times faster than the 980. Now I see on Nvidia's official 1080 page that it's twice as fast as the 980.

I always get the GTX X70 cards because the X80 variants are only about 12 to 15% faster, but the X90 (1070 in this case) cards are significantly cheaper. The x70 cards have the most bang for your buck.


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[cyclohexane]

Dude, you've been on this forum since 2005. How can you believe the rumors that the 1080 was going to 10 times faster than a 980? That has never happened with any GPU launch, ever. Even the 2x faster claims are suspect IMO.

Just wait for benchmarks before buying/selling.

 

[airfathaaaaa]

you better wait to see how the normal cards will behave..what you saw wasnt really a paper launch of any normal card but instead a highly oc'ed version of them

 

[maddie]

you better wait to see how the normal cards will behave..what you saw wasnt really a paper launch of any normal card but instead a highly oc'ed version of them

This is an interesting point.

All of the early reviews will reference an overclocked 1080 as the pascal release, and we all know that early reviews carry the most weight. Very misleading.

 

[tential]

Obviously yes the 1070 will be faster than 2 970s. This isn't even a debate we know this because 1 980ti is better than this and the 1070 is equivalent to a 980ti. And sli scaling is a freaking joke, you have 3.5 gb of vram Jesus I can write an essay for you op but do you want it?

Sell those 970s ASAP for the 1080.
Asap!!!

 

[airfathaaaaa]

Obviously yes the 1070 will be faster than 2 970s. This isn't even a debate we know this because 1 980ti is better than this and the 1070 is equivalent to a 980ti. And sli scaling is a freaking joke, you have 3.5 gb of vram Jesus I can write an essay for you op but do you want it?

Sell those 970s ASAP for the 1080.
Asap!!!

no a founders 1070 is on par with a 980ti a normal card will probably be 10-15% lower than that (assuming they gonna follow maxwell's oc scheme we kept seeing)

 

[David_k]

Obviously yes the 1070 will be faster than 2 970s. This isn't even a debate we know this because 1 980ti is better than this and the 1070 is equivalent to a 980ti. And sli scaling is a freaking joke, you have 3.5 gb of vram Jesus I can write an essay for you op but do you want it?

Sell those 970s ASAP for the 1080.
Asap!!!

Do you work at nvidia's marketing department?

 

[tential]

Do you work at nvidia's marketing department?

No. But I don't work for amd either and I call it how I see it. You'd be insane not to upgrade sli 970 for a 1070 this is the best time to offload the 970 which quite frankly looking back was very lack luster.

 

[airfathaaaaa]

No. But I don't work for amd either and I call it how I see it. You'd be insane not to upgrade sli 970 for a 1070 this is the best time to offload the 970 which quite frankly looking back was very lack luster.

so you are suggesting for someone to upgrade now instead of waiting and see both sides ? D: seems like you already concluded that they will be inferior

 

[IEC]

Multi card sucks when it doesn't work (which is all too often).

Both SLI and Crossfire. When Crossfire scaling works, it's better than SLI for 3 or 4 cards, however.

GTX 970 is pretty much end of life now that Pascal is going to release... I'd dump them now rather than later.

 

[DooKey]

Sell now while you still can.

 

[thesmokingman]

so you are suggesting for someone to upgrade now instead of waiting and see both sides ? D: seems like you already concluded that they will be inferior

Seems more like sell it while you still can.

 

[nitromullet]

no a founders 1070 is on par with a 980ti a normal card will probably be 10-15% lower than that (assuming they gonna follow maxwell's oc scheme we kept seeing)

Can you show where you are getting this from? The only defining feature of the Founders Edition that I can discern is the NV blower cooler. I haven't seen anything about clock speeds vs. non Founders Editions.

 

[Riek]

Obviously yes the 1070 will be faster than 2 970s. This isn't even a debate we know this because 1 980ti is better than this and the 1070 is equivalent to a 980ti. And sli scaling is a freaking joke, you have 3.5 gb of vram Jesus I can write an essay for you op but do you want it?

Sell those 970s ASAP for the 1080.
Asap!!!

Maybe we should wat for benchmarks... the the difference between the 980ti and 1080 is alot smaller than the GFLOPS difference between the 1080 and the 1070.. and that is without the bandwidth difference.

 

[tential]

Seems more like sell it while you still can.

Seriously. I love how now I'm an Nvidia fanboy because I'm saying he should sell his 970s before they plummet in retail value. Seriously the 970 is failing against the 290 and it was a newer architecture. If you want to stick with sli 970s and wait around while the retail value plummets be my guest. But the 970 can be sold for 250 each if you shop around right now. Free upgrade to a faster single card.

I'd be on Crack cocaine if I recommended the op to hold onto the gtx 970.

 

[tweakboy]

Yes, and OCed the 1080 ,,,, nothing comes close to this new GPU ,, gl

 

[airfathaaaaa]

Can you show where you are getting this from? The only defining feature of the Founders Edition that I can discern is the NV blower cooler. I haven't seen anything about clock speeds vs. non Founders Editions.

its a speculation based purely on nv history
and also that 3rd parties will need to oc their cards too in order to sell them...
otherwise there is no point for them to sell any aftermarket oc card if founders its like lets say 5% clocked

 

[JDG1980]

It's conceivable that GTX 970 SLI could be faster than one GTX 1070 in some current-generation games at some settings. But we know that the 1070 will have additional features that the 970 doesn't, will be more future-proof, and (perhaps most importantly) a single card will have far more consistent performance than SLi, without any microstutters or compatibility problems.

I agree with the consensus here: sell the two 970s while you still can, and wait for the 1070 to come to market. Who knows, if AMD hard-launches Polaris at Computex, we might have benchmarks on both GTX 1070 and R9 480 cards by June 10 and you can pick whichever is best.

 

[nitromullet]

its a speculation based purely on nv history
and also that 3rd parties will need to oc their cards too in order to sell them...
otherwise there is no point for them to sell any aftermarket oc card if founders its like lets say 5% clocked

basically, you're just pulling numbers out of thin air.

 

[airfathaaaaa]

basically, you're just pulling numbers out of thin air.

not really its what nvidia do each and every gen
only on the place of founders put ti and you have it
now we have founders ti and normal...

 

[nitromullet]

not really its what nvidia do each and every gen
only on the place of founders put ti and you have it
now we have founders ti and normal...

No, the TI models are actually completely different cards with different gpus (GTX 980Ti vs 980) or same gpu with more CUDA cores (GTX 780Ti vs 780). They are different products than non-Ti cards, not special editions.

Generally, AIB cards with non-reference coolers attain higher clocks and better performance than cards with the reference cooler. If we speculate on actual history, the cards that come after the initially released reference cards will be faster than the NV reference cards, not the other way around.

 

[RussianSensation]

It's conceivable that GTX 970 SLI could be faster than one GTX 1070 in some current-generation games at some settings. But we know that the 1070 will have additional features that the 970 doesn't, will be more future-proof, and (perhaps most importantly) a single card will have far more consistent performance than SLi, without any microstutters or compatibility problems.

I agree with the consensus here: sell the two 970s while you still can, and wait for the 1070 to come to market. Who knows, if AMD hard-launches Polaris at Computex, we might have benchmarks on both GTX 1070 and R9 480 cards by June 10 and you can pick whichever is best.

Good post. I'll add to get a 1440p or higher monitor, or get an i7 + OC. That i5 3570K stock is a bottleneck for 1080p gaming with cards this fast. I mean at minimum overclock the 3570K to 4.5Ghz+. A stock Sandy/Ivy can be around 25-30% slower than an i7 6700K OC. Considering cards such as 1080 are themselves predicted to be 25% or so faster than the 980Ti, this starts to become a serious talking point for upgraders coming off 970/980 level cards with older gen stock i5s and even i7s.

Even with an overclock, i5 falls behind in many modern games. Head1985 did various tests with his 970 @ 1500mhz and i7 6700K OC demolished his i5 2500K OC even with a 970!

 

[hawtdawg]

The 1080 is not twice as fast as a 980, it's "as fast as 980 SLI". Here's where Nvidia's marketing was pretty slick. 980 SLI is not 2x as fast as a 980. Nvidia posted benchmarks of Witcher 3 and Tomb Raider showing it to be 60-70% faster than a single 980.

 

[RussianSensation]

The 1080 is not twice as fast as a 980, it's "as fast as 980 SLI". Here's where Nvidia's marketing was pretty slick. 980 SLI is not 2x as fast as a 980. Nvidia posted benchmarks of Witcher 3 and Tomb Raider showing it to be 60-70% faster than a single 980.

Ya, that's a very careful and calculated cherry-pick indeed.

980 SLI has very poor scaling in The Witcher 3.

In Rise of the Tomb Raider, under DX12 980 SLI (and CF) had issues in the beginning.

We are going to need a TPU update with all the modern games (Hitman, The Division, Far Cry Primal, Doom, Mirror's Edge Catalyst, Forza 6, etc. thrown in there for a good measure).

I wouldn't be surprised if 1080 beats 980Ti by 25% but then why should I be? 680 outperformed 580 by 30% at 1600p and 580 was a full chip (aka Titan X lineage). Even $399 GTX670 beat 580 (Titan X) by 19-20% at 1600p! This time the 1070 is severely cut down, I presume 1920-2048 CCs. :thumbsdown:

NV also managed to raise the price of what used to be an already overpriced 680 at $499 to 1080's $699 for a reference model. Ouch. As good as a small die Pascal is relative to old cards like Hawaii/980, etc., it makes me want the 3584-3840 Pascal or Vega with HBM2 even more. I just cannot see how a 320GB/sec 1080 with only 64 ROPs will be anywhere close to the performance of close to 1TB/sec HBM2 cards with 96-128 ROPs. It's going to be a blow out as long as Big Pascal can also overclock to 2Ghz+.

 

[nerp]

so you are suggesting for someone to upgrade now instead of waiting and see both sides ? D: seems like you already concluded that they will be inferior

All you have to do is look at the raw numbers for each card (ram, shaders, etc) and you can easily deduce that he's right.

The reason to sell the cards now is that the values will sink like a stone. And they already are.