On 1070 you would secure driver oprimization till Volta drops to the market. Driver optimizations for Maxwell will be dropped in 3 weeks from now. So i assume this will be terrible for gimped 3,5 GB cards...
i didnt compare the products first of all
i was comparing the 10-15% jump nvidia gives to the "beasty" card of the same range in the same gen on EVERY gen
it doesnt matter if 980ti is a byproduct of titanx they named 980ti as an evolution of 980 not the other way around
Except they aren't the same cards, only some of the gullible masses think that way however that's still a very large number, but the majority choose them cause Nvidia &/or it's the fastest card at that time.
It's just like how the iphones & the Galaxies sell out at launch, nearly 8 Billion people in the world & I'm sure there are tens of millions who can afford premium priced GPUs & insanely priced iphones, that number is only increasing day by day
Except they aren't the same cards, only some of the gullible masses think that way however that's still a very large number, but the majority choose them cause Nvidia &/or it's the fastest card at that time.
It's just like how the iphones & the Galaxies sell out at launch, nearly 8 Billion people in the world & I'm sure there are tens of millions who can afford premium priced GPUs & insanely priced iphones, that number is only increasing day by day
Ofc they arent but can you say for sure that 100% of the people that bought it knows that it came from titan x? i bet you cant and this is what im saying.. to people that didnt bother to even research a bit (and they are plenty of them) the name 980ti will mean that it was a better 980 product
(well what would have happened if nvidia decided to give titan x chip to retailers and let them play with it? you think a 980ti would have existed at all?)
Dresdenboy
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Except they aren't the same cards, only some of the gullible masses think that way however that's still a very large number, but the majority choose them cause Nvidia &/or it's the fastest card at that time.
It's just like how the iphones & the Galaxies sell out at launch, nearly 8 Billion people in the world & I'm sure there are tens of millions who can afford premium priced GPUs & insanely priced iphones, that number is only increasing day by day
afford != want/need
When I'm not saying nice things about AMD, it makes some people very upset. I have no brand love or loyalty. NONE. As I've said so many times before, I wouldn't remotely care if Nvidia and AMD died today, right now, destroying PC gaming. I'll move on.
970 SLI is just a joke of performance and there is no reason to hold onto it when the 1070 gives you the same/more performance, for less power usage, for a single slot solution for no issues with SLI. SLI scaling is a joke, I mean it's such a joke that the 980Ti SLI vs FURY X Crossfire allows the AMD cards to pull ahead that's how good CF scaling is.
In fact, I really can't EVER recommend SLI with how terrible it performs over CF.
1070 is a great choice to replace 2x 970s.
I'm sure there are again people going "You're discounting AMD, wah wah wah". A 970 owner really only has Vega to upgrade to from AMD....
I can't recommend you to wait almost 6 months to sell your 970s and suffer horrendous DX12 performance in the mean time.
Well that's the thing, Nvidia is assumed to be the premium brand these days & even some of the well informed buyers think this way. Now whether they need a new GPU or not isn't up for debate, that's up to the individual, but their desire for premium stuff (ergo Nvidia) keeps JHH's hype machine going.
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...and I'm saying that you have nothing to back up your assertion that Founders edition of the GTX 1070 will be to a regular GTX 1070 as a GTX 980Ti is to a GTX 980. I'm also saying that you have nothing to back up your assertion that the GTX 1070 Founders edition will be 10-15% faster than subsequent cards. It's nothing but baseless speculation mixed with a little sensationalism.
RussianSensation
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Both AnandTech's write-up and GamerNexus confirmed that FE is just a reference card, nothing special about it. Essentially a $150 price hike over the 980, $100 over after-market 1080.
http://videocardz.com/59718/nvidia-gtx-1080-gtx-1070-founders-edition-explained
This means for many who prefer open air cooled cards, the initial cards are pointless, even worse now since they come with premiums over far superior Asus Stix, Gigabyte G1, MSI Gaming. It's even worse when we look back at Kepler 680 that was $499, itself already double 560Ti's price.
Cookie Monster
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Abit OT but its good to see some of the old times members come out of the woodworks. Finally the GPU world is about to get interesting again!
nitromullet
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This is pretty much what I figured, but by the same token I doubt most after market 1080's and 1070's will be $599 and $379, respectively.
From https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/05/06/geforce-gtx-1080/
NV was pretty careful not the set the expectation of an actual MSRP. I imagine that the initial custom 1080's will be around the $650 mark and the 1070's will be around $425.
If the 1070 performs on par with GTX 980 ti it still moves the price/performance bar, but not as much as we'd like. At $650-700, the 1080 better wipe the floor with a GTX 980 ti.
yes and then you have H
Things are changing a bit with how NVIDIA is handling "reference" cards. Those ref cards are now being called Founders Edition card and are being looked at to be a continued product line throughout the lifespan of the chipset. The cooler is very expensive and the components down on the PCB are supposed to be top quality.. I just asked if NVIDIA would give us a list of components and they said they would get that info back to us.
https://hardforum.com/threads/gtx-1080-founders-edition.1898941/#post-1042280214
same thing from wccft on one of the the many articles and bla bla
if an aftermarket hits 2.1(as the evga demo card on the show suggested since it was a "founders") ghz then yeah it would pretty much be the same..
Things are changing a bit with how NVIDIA is handling "reference" cards. Those ref cards are now being called Founders Edition card and are being looked at to be a continued product line throughout the lifespan of the chipset. The cooler is very expensive and the components down on the PCB are supposed to be top quality.. I just asked if NVIDIA would give us a list of components and they said they would get that info back to us.
https://hardforum.com/threads/gtx-1080-founders-edition.1898941/#post-1042280214
same thing from wccft on one of the the many articles and bla bla
if an aftermarket hits 2.1(as the evga demo card on the show suggested since it was a "founders") ghz then yeah it would pretty much be the same..
Pheran
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There is nothing special about the Founder's Edition. It is a reference card that is not overclocked.
http://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/2427-difference-between-gtx-1080-founders-edition-and-reference
exar333
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Couple points....
NV actually didn't always have 'reference' cards for some of their 2nd tier options (at least officially) so this FE is a little new there.
Second, this is a rather smart move by NV. It is obvious they saw the issues caused by the poor reference cooler on the 290. By upping the reference model, re-branding it (for marketing purposes) and making it perform better (vapor chamber on a sub 200w GPU) they are obviously focusing on hitting initial reviews out of the park. These days, launch reviews and that initial reaction is SO important not only for the product but the brand itself.
Last, I am a bit concerned about selling a reference/FE for $100 more than the MSRP. I wonder if AIBS will actually sell them for MSRP? Why would they undercut the FE when they could maybe do so by, say for example, only $20. It will be interesting to see where prices go...
nitromullet
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To be fair, the only reference GTX 970 available in the US (that I'm aware of) is through Best Buy, and is quite a bit over MSRP as well. I believe MSRP is $329.99, and this one is still going for $379.99.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/nvidia-...lack/9855169.p?id=1219441201895&skuId=9855169
I think it's been pretty easy to pick up a non-reference GTX 970 from EVGA, MSI, Asus, etc. for around $300 or less at Newegg for a while now.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/nvidia-...lack/9855169.p?id=1219441201895&skuId=9855169
I think it's been pretty easy to pick up a non-reference GTX 970 from EVGA, MSI, Asus, etc. for around $300 or less at Newegg for a while now.
Nvidia initially didn't have any reference GTX 970 cards. Only later did they release them in limited quantity. This is why there are so few and they're so expensive. The FE cards on the other hand seem to be heavily marketed and produced in quantity.
Selling the reference cards for more rather than less than third party cards is a smart move for Nvidia. They don't want to compete or engage in a price war with their partners.
We know even less about the performance of the 1070 than the 1080. We don't even know the ROP or TMU counts or even the clock speed or how high factory OC'd models will be clocked. It should be faster than 2x970's in SLI, simply because SLI scaling is unpredictable and inconsistent. I was thinking about picking up a second 970 now that they're so cheap, but decided against it. One fast GPU is almost always superior to two slower GPU's. However unless you have specific needs like 4K, 2x970's should last you through this year. Next year, the company which must not be named and Nvidia will probably release "big" GPUs with HBM2.
Selling the reference cards for more rather than less than third party cards is a smart move for Nvidia. They don't want to compete or engage in a price war with their partners.
We know even less about the performance of the 1070 than the 1080. We don't even know the ROP or TMU counts or even the clock speed or how high factory OC'd models will be clocked. It should be faster than 2x970's in SLI, simply because SLI scaling is unpredictable and inconsistent. I was thinking about picking up a second 970 now that they're so cheap, but decided against it. One fast GPU is almost always superior to two slower GPU's. However unless you have specific needs like 4K, 2x970's should last you through this year. Next year, the company which must not be named and Nvidia will probably release "big" GPUs with HBM2.
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My Zotac 970 was $298 in December 2014. They've been basically ~$300 for quite a while, though they've lately been dipping down to the $250 range (if you find the right deal).
exar333
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Bought mine for $350 on launch day (2014) and sold for $250 in January 2016. Some people complain about the 'NV tax' but it certainly helps when you sell your card. Had it for 18 months and it only cost me $100.
Well the GTX 970 in SLI is equal to or slightly faster than a Titan X configuration. If we look at rumors and possible marketing slides then a 1070 may be the equivalent to a 980Ti while the 1080 is primarily competing with the 980 but is still faster than a Titan X. We won't know the truth until the benchmarks and reviews come out but if that is any indication then the 1070/1080 may be quite the leap in performance in one year from the flagship Maxwell's.
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The Gigabyte G1 Gaming 970s were supposed to be cherry picked 970s. They came over clocked like hell & commanded a price premium. Is this what founders Edition cards are supposed to be like?
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