Wikileaks to out Arab officials in ties with the US

[SamurAchzar]

...and you accuse Assange of playing God? :|

That is the role of the government, not of private people - that's what happens in a civilized society.

Funny how you can make the distinction in one case but not the other. I never said Clinton and Bush were "criminals". I said they were responsible.

When someone acts against US security interests on US land, he gets arrested. When a foreigner does that, he might be extradited or covertly hit, depending on the person and the offense.

Obviously if Assange did his tricks inside USA he'd get arrested and charged. This is not the case with either politicians.

 

[Narmer]

Before they kill him I will pay anything to see smugness turn to absolute terror.

 

[Zebo]

He certainly didn't commit any crime in US jurisdiction, but then again I never proposed to bring him to trial :biggrin:

What crime did he commit in US jurisdiction assuming he was a citizen? Answer none.

 

[Gyhrg71]

It's not always that simple, especially not in Arab countries which have zero leadership transparency. A large part of these regimes are supported/encouraged by the US, which helps the regime keep the locals under check. The regime wouldn't like the people to know the real extent of involvement of the US, it's much easier to speak of US as the the devil while secretly receiving aid (military, intelligence, political).

Not me, not you and certainly not Assange can say whether this is justified or not. They operate in a different manner to us and we should respect it, not force democracy (and transparency) down their throat like we tried in Iraq.

This will serve no one but the Muslim extremists.

So the US is propping up Arab governments (many of whom are incredibly corrupt and cruel), who hide this relationship from their citizens, but we need to be careful not to tell them because if they found out it might lead to a more democrat and transparent middle east, and it would be immoral to cause that? :\

 

[Zebo]

^ that said there are certain people you don't fuck with. Arab rulers kill people by the thousands without UN condemnation.

 

[Zebo]

Before they kill him I will pay anything to see smugness turn to absolute terror.

Like those slow beheading videos with screaming ala Daniel pearl? I could do without it seen enough.

 

[SamurAchzar]

What crime did he commit in US jurisdiction assuming he was a citizen? Answer none.

So if you give this level of classified material to your neighbor, and he goes on to put it up on his website, you think authorities will just let him walk away? I'm no lawyer, but that doesn't seem the case.

Look at this: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/11/28/3078701.htm

Might be kneejerk reaction, but most likely there are some laws in place to prevent this kind of mess.

Even if it's not against the law, he'd have a long, long time with the FBI.

 

[Zebo]

That is the role of the government, not of private people - that's what happens in a civilized society.



When someone acts against US security interests on US land, he gets arrested. When a foreigner does that, he might be extradited or covertly hit, depending on the person and the offense.

Obviously if Assange did his tricks inside USA he'd get arrested and charged. This is not the case with either politicians.

Bullshit. NYT and many other newspapers leak classified info all the time top secret even - this was only secret info. Crime is in stealing it not in revealing it. Read the First Amendment and applicable case law. USA is not Israel.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Bullshit. NYT and many other newspapers leak classified info all the time top secret even - this was only secret info. Crime is in stealing it not in revealing it. Read the First Amendment and applicable case law. USA is not Israel.

What top secret, still-classified info did NYT and other newspapers release?

 

[Narmer]

Like those slow beheading videos with screaming ala Daniel pearl? I could do without it seen enough.

There's a Daniel Pearl video? I didn't know that. However, Assange is a douche and I want to see how a douche would react in that instance. It's good for the soul.

 

[nonlnear]

It sounds like Assange is only doing what he needs to to improve his chances of a slightly more fair trial on the show charges that the CIA set up for him. Oh the huge manatee!

 

[Zebo]

So if you give this level of classified material to your neighbor, and he goes on to put it up on his website, you think authorities will just let him walk away? I'm no lawyer, but that doesn't seem the case.

Look at this: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/11/28/3078701.htm

Might be kneejerk reaction, but most likely there are some laws in place to prevent this kind of mess.

Even if it's not against the law, he'd have a long, long time with the FBI.

If it's so obvious that Assange "committed crimes" by publishing classified information, never-mind he's doing nothing different than what investigative journalists routinely do, why has he not been charged? Answer is it would be laughed out of court.

 

[Zebo]

What top secret, still-classified info did NYT and other newspapers release?

Bush Wiretap program for one.

 

[JEDIYoda]

If it's so obvious that Assange "committed crimes" by publishing classified information, never-mind he's doing nothing different than what investigative journalists routinely do, why has he not been charged? Answer is it would be laughed out of court.

Put a sock in it!!
I have heard your idiotic dribble for long enough!
If Assange were to all of a sudden appear in the United States he would be arrested and you know it!!
if you don`t know it, then your more of an idiot than i took you to be........

 

[Zebo]

Put a sock in it!!
I have heard your idiotic dribble for long enough!
If Assange were to all of a sudden appear in the United States he would be arrested and you know it!!
if you don`t know it, then your more of an idiot than i took you to be........

Arrested doesn't mean shit he would not be convicted further proving corruption and infidelity to ROL.

 

[Throckmorton]

If it's so obvious that Assange "committed crimes" by publishing classified information, never-mind he's doing nothing different than what investigative journalists routinely do, why has he not been charged? Answer is it would be laughed out of court.

Sounds like you're making a case for assassination. But he has released that "poison pill" insurance.zip file. He's untouchable by virtue of blackmail.

 

[sMiLeYz]

I'm interested in how this all plays out...

 

[Zebo]

Sounds like you're making a case for assassination. But he has released that "poison pill" insurance.zip file. He's untouchable by virtue of blackmail.

No I've already made my case in other threads how to deal with Assange. Killing just make a martyr and like you say there are insurance files... stupid people kill people. Way you deal with this is by discrediting him. Rape is a good start. Child Molestation would be better... just wait... You crush his rep to such an extent even lefties will think it was all lies.

 

[Throckmorton]

No I've already made my case in other threads how to deal with Assange. Killing just make a martyr and like you say there are insurance files... stupid people kill people. Way you deal with this is by discrediting him. Rape is a good start. Child Molestation would be better... just wait... You crush his rep to such an extent even lefties will think it was all lies.

No one is going to think it's all lies. People are too savvy for that.

 

[Gyhrg71]

What top secret, still-classified info did NYT and other newspapers release?

The wikileak diplomatic cables?

 

[Throckmorton]

So are you libertarian and far left supporters of oppressive Middle Eastern regimes rubbing your hands in glee?

 

[Zebo]

No one is going to think it's all lies. People are too savvy for that.

We'll see in a couple years after psyops is all done. Please bump.

 

[Zebo]

The wikileak diplomatic cables?

Oh yeah Sometimes you can't see what's right in front of your face.

 

[SamurAchzar]

So the US is propping up Arab governments (many of whom are incredibly corrupt and cruel), who hide this relationship from their citizens, but we need to be careful not to tell them because if they found out it might lead to a more democrat and transparent middle east, and it would be immoral to cause that?

Democracy in Arab states is unsustainable. Not everyone wants or is able to live under Western values. Iraq would be one example; Gaza would be another; Iran the third; and we can go on and on.
It would be as immoral as any intervention inside a foreign society in the name of your values.

The wikileak diplomatic cables?

These were in the public domain, first published by Wikileaks. It makes little sense to go after NYT in such case. Had the material been leaked straight to them, it'd be different. Do you seriously think anyone can publish anything without being held accountable? It doesn't work like that even for commercial stuff, let alone this.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Sounds like you're making a case for assassination. But he has released that "poison pill" insurance.zip file. He's untouchable by virtue of blackmail.

Sounds like you are making a case for despotism. It's so unfair that Assange was savvy enough to provide a disincentive for his murder. The all-powerful state is One. What you and others suggest is that we've lost our legitimacy. Assassins and cutthroats is what you would have us be, then we're supposed to cede our self determination to it because it's wise and beneficent. Pull the other one.