Wikileaks.org releases 90,000 secret US war documents

[Zebo]

You drastically underestimate our enemy. Do not believe for a second that the low level moron on the street is the same guy higher up the chain that knows what he's uncovered and won't seek to exploit it.

There are literally hundreds or thousands of extremists in Islamic universities who aim to "do their part" in supporting jihad against us.

This. Only fools think they are uneducated. Most are very educated. Even operatives- Like Physician who wasted CIA agents. Like Physician who wasted 13 at Ft. hood. etc

Command is very educated too Osama (civil engineer) on down the line.

 

[mmntech]

I'm going to be the odd one out here and say the release of these documents is the best thing that could possibly happen. The public has the right to know exactly what's going on.

I initially supported the war when it was about dismantling Al Qaeda and catching Bin Laden. Now this quagmire has turned into some a bizarre nation building exercise. The original casus belli seems to be long forgotten. As soon as we leave, Afghanistan is going to descend back to where it was pre-2001. At best it will become another Iran or Pakistan. It's a colossal waste of the lives of our troops to keep fighting for these people.

 

[SP33Demon]

Whomever leaked these documents should be imprisoned for the rest of their life and the founder of wikileaks needs a visit from the CIA.

Wikileaks is just the messenger. If someone wants to leak something they have access to, it's not hard. I love the idiots who think Wikileaks should take some of the blame for this, they don't even have the identity of the leaker.

 

[Juddog]

I'm going to be the odd one out here and say the release of these documents is the best thing that could possibly happen. The public has the right to know exactly what's going on.

I initially supported the war when it was about dismantling Al Qaeda and catching Bin Laden. Now this quagmire has turned into some a bizarre nation building exercise. The original casus belli seems to be long forgotten. As soon as we leave, Afghanistan is going to descend back to where it was pre-2001. At best it will become another Iran or Pakistan. It's a colossal waste of the lives of our troops to keep fighting for these people.

The invasion of Iraq was more about oil; the bombers from 911 were mostly from Saudi Arabia. Afghanistan has literally trillions of dollars in precious metal resources; everything from massive amounts of copper and gold to lithium (needed for batteries), and of course there are huge oil fields in Iraq. Between the two countries there is enough material resources to keep oil and precious metals flowing to America for at least a few decades.

 

[mugs]

The invasion of Iraq was more about oil; the bombers from 911 were mostly from Saudi Arabia. Afghanistan has literally trillions of dollars in precious metal resources; everything from massive amounts of copper and gold to lithium (needed for batteries), and of course there are huge oil fields in Iraq. Between the two countries there is enough material resources to keep oil and precious metals flowing to America for at least a few decades.

Yeah, and they're just giving it all to us for free!

 

[Number1]

I'm going to be the odd one out here and say the release of these documents is the best thing that could possibly happen. The public has the right to know exactly what's going on.

I initially supported the war when it was about dismantling Al Qaeda and catching Bin Laden. Now this quagmire has turned into some a bizarre nation building exercise. The original casus belli seems to be long forgotten. As soon as we leave, Afghanistan is going to descend back to where it was pre-2001. At best it will become another Iran or Pakistan. It's a colossal waste of the lives of our troops to keep fighting for these people.

You agree because it's going to hurt the war effort. The only benefit to this leak is going to be for the anti war movement and the enemy who is going to figure out what tactic works or not.
I have family over there so I do care about anything released that might help the Taliban scum.
As I said before, the government should be able to shut down wiki leak and jail the operators. Nothing can be done about this leak now but it might prevent future occurrences.

 

[Number1]

The invasion of Iraq was more about oil; the bombers from 911 were mostly from Saudi Arabia. Afghanistan has literally trillions of dollars in precious metal resources; everything from massive amounts of copper and gold to lithium (needed for batteries), and of course there are huge oil fields in Iraq. Between the two countries there is enough material resources to keep oil and precious metals flowing to America for at least a few decades.

Did somebody change history about why we went to war while I wasn't looking? I tought the US went to Iraq for the WMD and to Afghanistan to defeat the Taliban and get OBL?

 

[abaez]

You agree because it's going to hurt the war effort. The only benefit to this leak is going to be for the anti war movement and the enemy who is going to figure out what tactic works or not.
I have family over there so I do care about anything released that might help the Taliban scum.
As I said before, the government should be able to shut down wiki leak and jail the operators. Nothing can be done about this leak now but it might prevent future occurrences.

You do know that three major, national newspapers published almost all of this information right? Is the U.S. Government going to shut down the NYTimes? The people running Wikileaks aren't stupid. Wikileaks has no country of operations. They are experts in encryption. If their servers get shutdown, they'll just put it up somewhere else.

And it's also pretty much a given that the private who leaked the apache video is also the one who grabbed this stuff and leaked it. He's already being pilloried by the military so you guys don't have to worry about that.

 

[Number1]

Wikileaks is just the messenger. If someone wants to leak something they have access to, it's not hard. I love the idiots who think Wikileaks should take some of the blame for this, they don't even have the identity of the leaker.

You're the idiot, really. Why should they not be liable for publishing classified information?

Where they got the info is irrelevant in this context.

 

[Number1]

You do know that three major, national newspapers published almost all of this information right? Is the U.S. Government going to shut down the NYTimes? The people running Wikileaks aren't stupid. Wikileaks has no country of operations. They are experts in encryption. If their servers get shutdown, they'll just put it up somewhere else.

And it's also pretty much a given that the private who leaked the apache video is also the one who grabbed this stuff and leaked it. He's already being pilloried by the military so you guys don't have to worry about that.

The info is out so it's like a feeding frenzy for the media. The idea is to prevent future leaks. However if the media broke the law they should suffer the consequences.

 

[jpeyton]

I tought the US went to Iraq for the WMD

The US, with the most advanced intelligence operations on the planet, spent $800 billion and counting to invade Iraq for non-existent WMDs? Uh huh.

and to Afghanistan to defeat the Taliban and get OBL?

Regardless of how bad the US military is with math, even they don't see the fiscal logic behind spending $300 billion to defeat 40,000 Afghanis with no navy, no air force, no tanks, etc.

There is very sound fiscal logic in invading two countries with trillions in oil and mineral deposits.

 

[dfuze]

Wouldn't be surprised if the gov comes down hard on the site as knowingly leaking classified info, whether or not it's moral

 

[meltdown75]

P&N

yeeeeop

 

[BurnItDwn]

You agree because it's going to hurt the war effort. The only benefit to this leak is going to be for the anti war movement and the enemy who is going to figure out what tactic works or not.
I have family over there so I do care about anything released that might help the Taliban scum.
As I said before, the government should be able to shut down wiki leak and jail the operators. Nothing can be done about this leak now but it might prevent future occurrences.

What is this "The Government" that you are talking about? Do you mean the US government? The US Government only has jurisdiction in the US. They are not the world police, and do not have authority in other Sovereign land. Wikileaks is hosted in Iceland, where freedom of speech is pretty absolute. It's a perfectly legal website.

Now, I don't like the Taliban, but, the US sorta funded the Mujahideen, and the Mujahideen sorta became the Taliban. Of course we liked when they were fanatical in the beginning, since they were fighting the Soviets, and rather than fighting the soviets ourselves, we did it by proxy.

The history of the cold war era is a scar on humanity that will take a long time to heal.

Secrecy and cover ups and wars will not resolve things. They only reopen the wounds.

 

[SP33Demon]

What is this "The Government" that you are talking about? Do you mean the US government? The US Government only has jurisdiction in the US. They are not the world police, and do not have authority in other Sovereign land. Wikileaks is hosted in Iceland, where freedom of speech is pretty absolute. It's a perfectly legal website.

Now, I don't like the Taliban, but, the US sorta funded the Mujahideen, and the Mujahideen sorta became the Taliban. Of course we liked when they were fanatical in the beginning, since they were fighting the Soviets, and rather than fighting the soviets ourselves, we did it by proxy.

The history of the cold war era is a scar on humanity that will take a long time to heal.

Secrecy and cover ups and wars will not resolve things. They only reopen the wounds.

Nice summary. Wikileaks is a media conduit, there is nothing illegal about them. You may as well jail the Washington Post or Wall Street Journal while you're at it.

 

[abaez]

Wouldn't be surprised if the gov comes down hard on the site as knowingly leaking classified info, whether or not it's moral

You mean the New York Times?

 

[Juddog]

The US, with the most advanced intelligence operations on the planet, spent $800 billion and counting to invade Iraq for non-existent WMDs? Uh huh.


Regardless of how bad the US military is with math, even they don't see the fiscal logic behind spending $300 billion to defeat 40,000 Afghanis with no navy, no air force, no tanks, etc.

There is very sound fiscal logic in invading two countries with trillions in oil and mineral deposits.

^^ This.

 

[TallBill]

Weird, I actually enjoyed Theflyingpig's posts in this thread.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Secret documents would never be that easy to leak. The stuff that was 'leaked' crosses several hundred desks weekly for everything from officers to the temp secretary in DC to see. People have the misconception that when you get a secret or top secret clearance you can view everything secret. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Getting clearance means you have secret clearance to information that is required for your specific task. You can't be doing work on missile tech and walk in a base doing research on bio weapons just because you have secret clearance. It is not a total pass.

Yea, there are career fields that require TS clearance, but the vast majority of people in the afsc never touch classified information.

 

[Deeko]

Whomever leaked this information should be tried & convicted of their treason, and never see the light of day again.

Anyone that disagrees with this statement is wrong.

 

[IGBT]

Wikileaks is just the messenger. If someone wants to leak something they have access to, it's not hard. I love the idiots who think Wikileaks should take some of the blame for this, they don't even have the identity of the leaker.

more then likely the leak came from obama inner circle or some one in the loop. this is no accident and has an intended purpose. Probably an attempt to cover obama for his approval of the Lockerbie bomber Abdel Baset al-Megrahi.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Wikileaks is an arm of the democraticunderground.org, which made sure all the "information" released coincides with Bush's term only. Nothing covers Obamas time in office.

This is the second time Wikileaks has tried to score points for the Democratic party. The other time was the doctored video from 2007 showing some reporters getting killed, missing out on the fact they were imbedded with insurgents and carrying AKs themselves!

 

[DainBramaged]

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[BoberFett]

Yeah, and they're just giving it all to us for free!

Free? Don't be an idiot, of course it won't be free. But I'm sure somewhere there's a SECRET document that lays out who's going to be installed as a puppet leader who is cozy with the US, who also happens to be close friends with a company who will make a fortune digging up those minerals.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Whomever leaked this information should be tried & convicted of their treason, and never see the light of day again.

Anyone that disagrees with this statement is wrong.

And you know you are correct why? Proof?

Are you old enough to remember the Pentagon papers?

Wikileaks is an arm of the democraticunderground.org, which made sure all the "information" released coincides with Bush's term only. Nothing covers Obamas time in office.

This is the second time Wikileaks has tried to score points for the Democratic party. The other time was the doctored video from 2007 showing some reporters getting killed, missing out on the fact they were imbedded with insurgents and carrying AKs themselves!

You really need to stop taking drugs, it's bad for your brain. Given that Obama is going right along with Bush's plan in Afghanistan, I don't see how this helps Obama, to the contrary, it hurts.