Widespread drought

[piasabird]

There are droughts all the time. In the 70's there was a bad drought one year in the midwest and the surrounding area and cattle were dying and all the hay and corn all dried up. You cant look at weather and just assume a short trend is the end of the world. I heard them talking about a drought on the east coast one time that historians claim ran for 500 years. Some people along the nile recorded water that was so high one time that it was like 50 meters at one point. Then there is the issue of places in the mediteranian that supposedly are now under water. Who are we meager humans to be able to understand the seasons when the span of time may be measured in thousand or millions of years?

 

[DesiPower]

I live in the city.

Dont you have a squirrel to skin and boil?

and which failed city would that be Nancy?

 

[JSt0rm]

and which failed city would that be Nancy?

Los Angeles

or

LaLaLand


Failed city lol. We have our problems but the economy here owns you.

 

[Paul98]

These small weather events can not be tied directly to global warming. This is the problem I have seen with both sides, cherry picking data to try and support your side. Problem is that localized events, small time scales, can not give you much of the picture at all.

Now I do find these interesting to look at and speculate about. It's still going to be quite a while before we see the large scale effects of climate change. It's obvious that climate change is real and man has a staring roll in it. But to put specific weather events as an effect is just silly.

 

[Texashiker]

We have our problems but the economy here owns you.

At least our housing is affordable.

For what you pay for a cardboard box of a house, we can own land.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Looks like you're in some sort of "donut hole".

Fern

We seem to have a lot of high pressure cells forming that create strong southerly winds and it pushes the rain to the north of the Houston/South Texas area.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

We have our problems but the economy here owns you.

The economy of Texas is one of the largest and rapidly growing economies in the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Texas

 

[JSt0rm]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Texas

and?

Look what you do

Now look at what I do

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/732672/mega_Canada_Final_KaktusFilm_768_432_sound_redux.mov


Enjoy your "growing" economy

 

[Londo_Jowo]

You have no clue what I do. I sure as hell don't get dirty yet I still get paid well.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Now look at what I do

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/732672/mega_Canada_Final_KaktusFilm_768_432_sound_redux.mov


Enjoy your "growing" economy

Really, you're in LA and creating film for Kaktus Film in Sweden? I think someone is lying through their teeth.

http://www.kaktusfilm.com/

 

[JSt0rm]

Really, you're in LA and creating film for Kaktus Film in Sweden? I think someone is lying through their teeth.

http://www.kaktusfilm.com/

I do sound.

 

[sMiLeYz]

So what caused the dust bowl of the 1920s? Was that global warming???
You do understand that the term Global Warming was dropped because the facts couldn't backup the claims, thus Climate Change was coined because it's a term that is valid becaues the climate changes year round. They're called Seasons.
.

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt apparently.

Global Warming causing Rise in food prices
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=climate-change-has-spurred-food-pri

Out of control wildfires, in Russia of all places
http://en.rian.ru/natural/20110430/163792209.html

Devastating Weather in Australia
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/17/world/asia/17australia.html?_r=1&hp

 

[monovillage]

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt apparently.

Global Warming causing Rise in food prices
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=climate-change-has-spurred-food-pri

Out of control wildfires, in Russia of all places
http://en.rian.ru/natural/20110430/163792209.html

Devastating Weather in Australia
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/17/world/asia/17australia.html?_r=1&hp

Denial? Just because you are as gullible as a 5 year old doesn't mean we all should be.
Food crisis?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/mar/20/food-farming

Russian heatwave/wildfires
http://www.agu.org/news/press/pr_archives/2011/2011-10.shtml

Try reading about what really happened with Australia's Wivenhoe flood.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...vented-rain-data/story-e6frg6nf-1226028379093

 

[dmcowen674]

Widespread drought

Something that is bothering me in this debate about climate change, is the droughts. People are talking about global warming right and left, but nobody seems to be talking about drought.

A local lake, lake Sam Rayburn is about 9 feet low. The county I live in has been under a burn ban for several weeks. Texas as a whole is drying up. We have had more wildfires this year then I can ever remember.

Then, I found this article on the BBC.

Soils of UK and Europe drying out

So its not just Texas that is having drought issues, its all over the world.

Something to be concerned about, this drought is going to affect the price of food in the next few months.

Drought could drive up prices of food

There is a lot of talk about ice caps melting, and sea level rising, but our droughts are right here and now. As the price of fuel drives up the price of food, so will having to pump more water into the fields. There was a segment on the local news about rice farmers having to conserve water because we are not getting enough rain to keep the fields flooded.

Good

Texans are always bragging how great their state is, bout time you suffer like the rest of us

 

[Lemon law]

We can look at in another way, in any given year, the amount of water evaporating from the Oceans of the world is a rough constant. So if one given area of land get far more rain than normal, there must be corresponding areas that get less rain than normal.

We can talk about the solar driven heat distribution climate models that move heat from the equator to the poles, or mumble how it operates by jet streams and Ocean currents, but we still can't get around the fact, only so much water is in the atmosphere and no more.

 

[JSt0rm]

We can look at in another way, in any given year, the amount of water evaporating from the Oceans of the world is a rough constant. So if one given area of land get far more rain than normal, there must be corresponding areas that get less rain than normal.

We can talk about the solar driven heat distribution climate models that move heat from the equator to the poles, or mumble how it operates by jet streams and Ocean currents, but we still can't get around the fact, only so much water is in the atmosphere and no more.

Water Tables are very important as well. If an area becomes a desert and the water table drys up then new rains wont stay, they will run off.

This is one of the dangers of the bottled water industry.

 

[sandorski]

You do understand that the term Global Warming was dropped because the facts couldn't backup the claims, thus Climate Change was coined because it's a term that is valid becaues the climate changes year round.

Fail

 

[sMiLeYz]

Denial? Just because you are as gullible as a 5 year old doesn't mean we all should be.
Food crisis?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/mar/20/food-farming

Russian heatwave/wildfires
http://www.agu.org/news/press/pr_archives/2011/2011-10.shtml

Try reading about what really happened with Australia's Wivenhoe flood.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...vented-rain-data/story-e6frg6nf-1226028379093

Did you even read your own articles? Here I quote the first couple of paragraphs from each article....

There are several causes of rising prices. First, large-scale disasters have precipitated localised crop failures, some of which have had broad ripple effects – for example, Russia's ban on grain exports through at least the end of this calendar year resulted from fires and drought. Second, deadly strains of an evolving wheat pathogen (a rust) named Ug99 are increasingly threatening yields in the major wheat-growing areas of southern and eastern Africa, the central Asian Republics, the Caucasus, the Indian subcontinent, South America, Australia and North America

And about the Russian drought and wildfires article...

The researchers cautioned that this extreme heat event provides a glimpse into the region's future as a greenhouse gases continue to increase, and the signal of a warming climate even at this regional scale begins to emerge more clearly from a natural variability in upcoming decades. Climate models evaluate for the new study show a a rapidly
increasing risk of such heat waves in western Russia.

The last one is so hilarious you're telling me that some Australian dude 'invented' this?

At the 16the minute you can see a car floating down stream from flood waters...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsoEjWCxqog

Commodities Buzz: West Australian Drought Could Crimp 2011-12 Wheat Output
http://www.indiainfoline.com/Market...rimp-2011-12-Wheat-Output-Rabobank/3638399457

Edit: What do you know, that last article is in the Australian a rag owned by Climate Denier Rupert Murdoch in chief.

It's sad that you don't even read your own articles, but hastily google some bs to explain away things you can't even understand. smh

 

[WelshBloke]

Isn't a bigger problem that the ogalalla aquifer is running low.

IIRC ogalalla dosnt refill either, when its gone its gone.

 

[sMiLeYz]

You do understand that the term Global Warming was dropped because the facts couldn't backup the claims, thus Climate Change was coined because it's a term that is valid becaues the climate changes year round. They're called Seasons.
.

Ahahahaha

 

[monovillage]

Yes, i do read my links, you should have followed up on the Wivenhoe Dam and how poor management was a major contributor in the floods. There were several links in the article i linked. You have to be kidding me about "Climate models evaluate........" Here's an article about the most recent slam-bang up to date cutting edge climate model NCAR Community Climate System Model Version 4 to be used in the upcoming U.N. IPCC AR5. Here are a couple of quotes from the abstract.

"After 1970, CCSM4 surface temperature increases faster than the data, so that by 2005 the model anomaly is 0.4◦C larger than the observed anomaly. "

"Over the last 5 years of the run, the model temperature increased significantly whereas the earth’s temperature over that period did not change much at all."

There's a link to the complete paper in the following article.

http://judithcurry.com/2011/05/08/ncar-community-climate-system-model-version-4/#more-3185

 

[sMiLeYz]

Yes, i do read my links, you should have followed up on the Wivenhoe Dam and how poor management was a major contributor in the floods. There were several links in the article i linked. You have to be kidding me about "Climate models evaluate........" Here's an article about the most recent slam-bang up to date cutting edge climate model NCAR Community Climate System Model Version 4 to be used in the upcoming U.N. IPCC AR5. Here are a couple of quotes from the abstract.

"After 1970, CCSM4 surface temperature increases faster than the data, so that by 2005 the model anomaly is 0.4◦C larger than the observed anomaly. "

"Over the last 5 years of the run, the model temperature increased significantly whereas the earth’s temperature over that period did not change much at all."

There's a link to the complete paper in the following article.

http://judithcurry.com/2011/05/08/ncar-community-climate-system-model-version-4/#more-3185

The U.N, EPA, multiple Scientific magazines, University websites, heck you can even read Insurance policies related to Climate Change and you quote a hastily put together wordpress blog that can't even properly analyze a scientific paper.

Here's from the same University url as the paper linked:
[size=+2]Climate change poses major risks for unprepared cities[/size]
http://www2.ucar.edu/news/4260/climate-change-poses-major-risks-unprepared-cities

 

[monovillage]

lol, University Corporation for Atmospheric Research ? Here you go, here's another scary story.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...could-disrupt-wi-fi-and-hit-power-supply.html

"The signal from wi-fi cannot travel as far when temperatures increase. Heavy downfalls of rain also affect the ability of the device to capture a signal. "

Floods, drought, heatwaves and freezing temperatures.........sounds like they got all the bases covered.

Sea level rise ? Have you been studying the science, not the headlines?
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/

 

[Brigandier]

Isn't a bigger problem that the ogalalla aquifer is running low.

IIRC ogalalla dosnt refill either, when its gone its gone.

This, very much this. Water demands of the growing American cities present a huge challenge to technology and resources.

The aquifers are a complex situation, only affected partially by local weather patterns. What matters more is proximity to major water sources, and population sizes. Water is starting to decide more and more decisions on local levels, and for good reason, a lot of the population growth is in areas that need water to service it.

The Colorado River is being taxed by the southwest, and the coasts are as greedy as ever for good water. The demands of parched areas disturbs the aquifers for hundreds of miles around, altering the way environment reacts to dry or wet spells.

Instead of arguing over the details of what is happening, we should be looking at solutions to dealing with the new challenges climate is presenting us with.

 

[monovillage]

"you quote a hastily put together wordpress blog that can't even properly analyze a scientific paper"

The quote was from their own paper , not from Dr. Judith Curry. They clearly admit how far off from reality the newest climate model is and how poorly it performs.