Widespread drought

[LegendKiller]

This, very much this. Water demands of the growing American cities present a huge challenge to technology and resources.

The aquifers are a complex situation, only affected partially by local weather patterns. What matters more is proximity to major water sources, and population sizes. Water is starting to decide more and more decisions on local levels, and for good reason, a lot of the population growth is in areas that need water to service it.

The Colorado River is being taxed by the southwest, and the coasts are as greedy as ever for good water. The demands of parched areas disturbs the aquifers for hundreds of miles around, altering the way environment reacts to dry or wet spells.

Instead of arguing over the details of what is happening, we should be looking at solutions to dealing with the new challenges climate is presenting us with.

Keep in mind that the aquifers can be recharged, both naturally and man-made recharging. CA has been successful in recharging theirs in wet periods. Some of the Og. aquifer is located in more arid and less permeable areas but can be recharged through non-natural means and does recharge through natural ones. The draining of it has only occurred in the last 100 years and, in many areas, has had a neg positive charge in the last decade.

As easily available water reduces other alternatives are found, it's simple economics.

 

[sMiLeYz]

lol, University Corporation for Atmospheric Research ? Here you go, here's another scary story.

Reading is fundamental

Judith Curry's link
www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/gent/ccsm4.pdf

My link
www2.ucar.edu/news/4260/climate-change-poses-major-risks-unprepared-cities

From the same paper, that the random Wordpress chose to ignore, on page 10"

The absence ofthe aerosol indirect effects means that projections of future temperature rise due to increased CO2 and other greenhouse gases will be larger than if CCSM4 did include the aerosol indirect effects.

The climate paper posted by Judith Curry and this article is from the same url. It's pretty clear you don't read the articles you posted, or the URL's referenced. I can imagine why it would be hard for you to understand Global Climate change.

 

[monovillage]

ummm, of course the link took you to UCAR, that's who produced the CCSM4 for AR5 and produced the scare mongering story. Maybe you're just confused. You mean on page 10 where they also relate just a few more of the things that aren't included in the CCSM4? The most advanced Global Climate Model yet produced? Which in case you forgot admits to being wrong when tested against actual data ?

 

[Brigandier]

Keep in mind that the aquifers can be recharged, both naturally and man-made recharging. CA has been successful in recharging theirs in wet periods. Some of the Og. aquifer is located in more arid and less permeable areas but can be recharged through non-natural means and does recharge through natural ones. The draining of it has only occurred in the last 100 years and, in many areas, has had a neg positive charge in the last decade.

As easily available water reduces other alternatives are found, it's simple economics.

I understand simple economics, I have a simple mind. The first rule of economics is, don't trust some one, trust some body, the analysis of it. Water is a big deal on the world scale, and any scheme or idea on how to utilize it most efficiently, that is, for the lowest cost, and to manage in it in a way that market won't implode; that you crate a self sustaining market, is worth trillions.

I bet you'd like any idea on that, it's at least worth a bonus, I can't give it away for free, but you should at least agree that water is big business.

 

[JSt0rm]

I understand simple economics, I have a simple mind. The first rule of economics is, don't trust some one, trust some body, the analysis of it. Water is a big deal on the world scale, and any scheme or idea on how to utilize it most efficiently, that is, for the lowest cost, and to manage in it in a way that market won't implode; that you crate a self sustaining market, is worth trillions.

I bet you'd like any idea on that, it's at least worth a bonus, I can't give it away for free, but you should at least agree that water is big business.

water is the biggest business

http://www.counterpunch.org/cp10202006.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/spytheweb/matt-damon-water-org_n_830930_79400688.html

 

[wuliheron]

There is a lot of talk about ice caps melting, and sea level rising, but our droughts are right here and now. As the price of fuel drives up the price of food, so will having to pump more water into the fields. There was a segment on the local news about rice farmers having to conserve water because we are not getting enough rain to keep the fields flooded.

There is talk about the issue, but the US is one of the least impacted countries. This year the US government cut a deal with Canada to import their water if necessary. Places like Egypt, China, Australia, and Africa are much more conscious of water problems. Some 2 billion poorest of the poor already live on dry land that will barely sustain them.

Everywhere including in the US people are pumping underground aquifers dry and collecting rainwater as fast as they can. The next logical step is to begin implementing more widespread conservation measures such as drip irrigation, but that's expensive. There simply is no magic solution and it doesn't make for good videos like melting icecaps.

 

[JSt0rm]

Los Vegas is our canary in the coal mine

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a_b86mnWn9.w

It will be interesting to see how far they are able to take it. Paying people 1.50 a square foot to replace lawn with desert plants and rocks seems extreme but has saved a lot of water. Los Vegas also recycles something like 87% of the water they output. I tried to find the exact number but cant seem to find it now.

 

[wuliheron]

Los Vegas is our canary in the coal mine

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a_b86mnWn9.w

It will be interesting to see how far they are able to take it. Paying people 1.50 a square foot to replace lawn with desert plants and rocks seems extreme but has saved a lot of water. Los Vegas also recycles something like 87% of the water they output. I tried to find the exact number but cant seem to find it now.

There's a thirty year drought occurring in at least one place on the planet at any given time and there's already talk that the American southwest is facing one. However, they've always been more conscious of water rights then the rest of the country. No doubt if Vegas died the Bible Belt would claim it was merely the wages of sin.

 

[JSt0rm]

There's a thirty year drought occurring in at least one place on the planet at any given time and there's already talk that the American southwest is facing one. However, they've always been more conscious of water rights then the rest of the country. No doubt if Vegas died the Bible Belt would claim it was merely the wages of sin.

True but I have hope when I see all those sinners trying different ways to conserve water.

I used to only drink bottled water but I have stopped. I drink filtered tap water now.

 

[DirkGently1]

Chaotic weather is chaotic. World shocked.

 

[Throckmorton]

You can't say whether a single drought event is caused by global warming, but more extreme climate is one of the predictions made by climate modelling.

 

[charrison]

You can't say whether a single drought event is caused by global warming, but more extreme climate is one of the predictions made by climate modelling.

That and Texas apparently does has an extreme drought about every 50 years, so this could be a normal pattern. But yes it is damn dry here right now, as was last summer.

 

[sMiLeYz]

ummm, of course the link took you to UCAR, that's who produced the CCSM4 for AR5 and produced the scare mongering story.

You choose to cherry pick one line from the research while ignoring another line, and the thousands upon thousands of other articles related Global Warming even in several of very your own articles that you posted. Classic denial.

 

[wuliheron]

That and Texas apparently does has an extreme drought about every 50 years, so this could be a normal pattern. But yes it is damn dry here right now, as was last summer.

Let them drink whiskey. That is, if it isn't Sunday or they aren't busy putting out brush fires.

 

[Jaskalas]

lol, University Corporation for Atmospheric Research ? Here you go, here's another scary story.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...could-disrupt-wi-fi-and-hit-power-supply.html

"The signal from wi-fi cannot travel as far when temperatures increase. Heavy downfalls of rain also affect the ability of the device to capture a signal. "

Cause, as everyone knows, Arizona doesn't have wi-fi or electricity.

 

[wuliheron]

Cause, as everyone knows, Arizona doesn't have wi-fi or electricity.

Arizona doesn't have a clue so they have no use for wi-fi or electricity.

 

[monovillage]

You choose to cherry pick one line from the research while ignoring another line, and the thousands upon thousands of other articles related Global Warming even in several of very your own articles that you posted. Classic denial.

Get real, even this article points to ENSO as the driver for the extreme weather events of April as Jaskalas mentioned in an earlier post. Only fringe climate scientists like Trenberth of Climategate fame try to pin it on global warming.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...ibqGWA?docId=2e35bc582fd14ee19860ccab851c1f1e

 

[monovillage]

It's been a couple of days, but this article deals directly with the drought in Texas, so i thought i'd put a link to it in case the OP wanted some more information.
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog

"How about long term trends? Well given the cold PDO which favors more frequent and longer La Ninas has started its likely two to three decade dominance, drought is likely to be a more frequent visitor to the state in the next decade or two than it was in the El Nino rich PDO warm phase from 1979 to 1998. "