WIC program in jeopardy after shutdown

[glenn1]

You're comfortable with single mothers and their children starving to death.

And it disturbs you so much, that you entrust a faceless government to take care of the problem so that when the kid starves you have someone else to blame. Or more likely, a Republican for being "greedy."

 

[shadow9d9]

And it disturbs you so much, that you entrust a faceless government to take care of the problem so that when the kid starves you have someone else to blame. Or more likely, a Republican for being "greedy."

That comment doesn't make sense. Is English your first language?

 

[dank69]

If gunshots to the head caused death, every single gunshot to the head would be fatal.

Since not every gunshot to the head is fatal clearly being shot in the head does not cause death :hmm:

Oh, so you admit that single motherhood does not always lead to poverty?

 

[surfsatwerk]

And it disturbs you so much, that you entrust a faceless government to take care of the problem so that when the kid starves you have someone else to blame. Or more likely, a Republican for being "greedy."

Did you stop at the bar for lunch? It gives people food not phones, not TVs, not ipods, or fancy sneakers. With all the waste in our government you pick on a program that provides food for people in need.

 

[nehalem256]

Did you stop at the bar for lunch? It gives people food not phones, not TVs, not ipods, or fancy sneakers. With all the waste in our government you pick on a program that provides food for people in need.

Need they themselves caused.

Why should getting yourself knocked up mean the government starts feeding you?

Remember after all, that according to Progressive Dogma, there is no child to feed at that point.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Need they themselves caused.

Why should getting yourself knocked up mean the government starts feeding you?

Remember after all, that according to Progressive Dogma, there is no child to feed at that point.

Listen toaster boy, compassion for your fellow man is not the same thing as wanting a drone planted in my ass so the govt. can keep tabs on me.

You say things, but that does not make them true.

 

[nehalem256]

Listen toaster boy, compassion for your fellow man is not the same thing as wanting a drone planted in my ass so the govt. can keep tabs on me.

You say things, but that does not make them true.

Oddly I lack compassion for people trying to use children(or "potential children" as it were) to extort money from me.

Not sure what drones have to do with anything.

Your body. Your choice. Your responsibility.

 

[glenn1]

Did you stop at the bar for lunch? It gives people food not phones, not TVs, not ipods, or fancy sneakers. With all the waste in our government you pick on a program that provides food for people in need.

You're missing the point. If progressives were actually as compassionate as they feel themselves to be, there wouldn't be any people in need in the first place because you would be feeding them. Instead you say and go back to your business and demand other people (in this case, Uncle Sam) ensures they don't starve and say "think of the children" if someone else says its not really the government's job.

 

[dainthomas]

Look, Nehalem found a little friend!

 

[nehalem256]

You're missing the point. If progressives were actually as compassionate as they feel themselves to be, there wouldn't be any people in need in the first place because you would be feeding them. Instead you say and go back to your business and demand other people (in this case, Uncle Sam) ensures they don't starve and say "think of the children" if someone else says its not really the government's job.

If they did that though their whole liberal ideology, of women doing whatever they want, would come crashing down.

I recall a rumor about Romney from when he was a ward leader in the Mormon church. There was a young 20ish single mother with one child. The church got her a job and overall helped her out. Then she got pregnant a 2nd time and supposedly Romney tried to pressure her into putting the child up for adoption. And the point of the article was how horrible Romney was for not accepting that a poor single mother should be able to pop out as many bastard kids as she wanted.

People don't like being taken advantage of. And when you can't hide "charity" behind the veil of government people tend to demand people make a good faith effort.

 

[momeNt]

You realize that soup kitchens are more expensive than food stamps for precisely the reason that you have to pay people to distribute the food, run the kitchen, etc, etc, right? Pennies on the dollar? unlikely.

I didn't mean soup kitchens, I shouldn't have mentioned Red Cross. The WIC program needs to be tailored to create the requisite demand to have the market support the biscuits and rice (rice is already a food item though).

What I envision is having a government issued rice cooker, and only allow WIC money to be for the purchase of long grain rice at $.40/lb as your grain.

The prison biscuits would just be allowing Iams,Pedigree,Beneful to make food for human consumption with the proper ingredients and nutritional profile. WIC money for the protein / fat / vitamins can only be used on the various types of biscuits being produced.

Distribution would be the same as how ez-mac gets on the shelves. Not soup kitchen style.

 

[SheHateMe]

Why not just change the name of WIC to Money For Sluts (MFS).

Oh, Nehalem's backup has arrived.

 

[brycejones]

Oh, Nehalem's backup has arrived.

It's cute, hopefully we're all invited to the wedding.

 

[Zaap]

Heh, libs afraid someone will break up their little circle-jerk.

What a bunch of cowards.

 

[brycejones]

Heh, libs afraid someone will break up their little circle-jerk.

You know more than a little about being part of a circle jerk don't you?

 

[Zaap]

Nope, I leave that to you liberal retards. Now back to your circle jerk with you!

 

[werepossum]

I didn't mean soup kitchens, I shouldn't have mentioned Red Cross. The WIC program needs to be tailored to create the requisite demand to have the market support the biscuits and rice (rice is already a food item though).

What I envision is having a government issued rice cooker, and only allow WIC money to be for the purchase of long grain rice at $.40/lb as your grain.

The prison biscuits would just be allowing Iams,Pedigree,Beneful to make food for human consumption with the proper ingredients and nutritional profile. WIC money for the protein / fat / vitamins can only be used on the various types of biscuits being produced.

Distribution would be the same as how ez-mac gets on the shelves. Not soup kitchen style.

Cuba is handing out free or heavily subsidized rice cookers and pressure cookers. I think we can aim to do a little better for our poor than does Cuba, no? I mean, not much point in claiming we have a better system otherwise, just different in how we select the fat cats.

WIC represents a pretty sound theory in my judgment. If you need charity to feed your children, you also need guidance as to proper foods and preparation. Private charities are the same - if a church is paying your light bill, the church has a vested interest in seeing that you are seeking work and not blowing what money you have. I'd like to see food stamps made more like WIC, but WIC seems to me to be a reasonable compromise between accepting restrictions to get charity and taxpayers being unreasonably demanding. I'd like to see some shame returned in accepting welfare, but to the point that it encourages them to get off welfare, not to the point that it dominates someone's life. If one is limited to rice and Purina Po'folk Chow, that's incredibly demeaning. It's also something that intrudes on the children. Kids in welfare or WIC need to have as normal lives as possible. WIC helps ensure that their nutritional needs are met. Restricting them to a few monotonous foods is simply punishing them. The goal of programs such as WIC or food stamps should be to help people get out of that situation or to sustain them if they are unable to do so for whatever reason, NOT to punish them.

Two other brief points. First, children need stimulation and hope as well as basic nutrition, and a monotonous diet does not yield that. Second, nutritional needs are complex, and rice and engineered biscuits are unlikely to provide complete nutrition.

Even though we need to work to eliminate fraud I think we're also in danger of becoming too obsessed with fraud. If I hand a twenty to a panhandler I face the possibility that he or she is actually a grifter who begs for a living and takes regular gambling vacations. Yet I am out the same twenty either way, and while I'd like to think I'm helping someone truly in need rather than someone just bone idle, there's no point in obsessing over it. Same thing with government programs - fight the fraud, but don't punish everyone on the program simply because they need charity. That defeats the whole point of charity.

 

[nehalem256]

Cuba is handing out free or heavily subsidized rice cookers and pressure cookers. I think we can aim to do a little better for our poor than does Cuba, no? I mean, not much point in claiming we have a better system otherwise, just different in how we select the fat cats.

Well except for the millions of cats that are neither fat, nor dependent on charity.

WIC represents a pretty sound theory in my judgment. If you need charity to feed your children, you also need guidance as to proper foods and preparation. Private charities are the same - if a church is paying your light bill, the church has a vested interest in seeing that you are seeking work and not blowing what money you have.

Except that does not touch on the whole "W" part of WIC.

If you are pregnant and cannot even afford to feed yourself you don't guidance to proper foods you need a bus pass down to Planned Parenthood.

And then there is the whole feeding non-breastfeeding postpartum women. I mean I guess you could argue that having non-starving parents is good for infants... but then why is the father left out? :hmm: Well I think we can all guess as to why that is.

 

[werepossum]

Well except for the millions of cats that are neither fat, nor dependent on charity.

True, and that's a good point.

Except that does not touch on the whole "W" part of WIC.

If you are pregnant and cannot even afford to feed yourself you don't guidance to proper foods you need a bus pass down to Planned Parenthood.

And then there is the whole feeding non-breastfeeding postpartum women. I mean I guess you could argue that having non-starving parents is good for infants... but then why is the father left out? :hmm: Well I think we can all guess as to why that is.

Also true, but the W in WIC tends to be expectant and nursing mothers. Still, I think one of the biggest problems in our social safety net is not only allowing women to raise children without fathers, but practically requiring it. Welfare children are taught that fathers are men who come and go, regardless of whether the man wants to do the right thing. If a child has two parents at home, two parents should be fed. However, this is the basic struggle between our desire to provide a decent living for our poorest and the simple fact that people, like bears, tend to lose the ability to feed themselves if they do not have to do so for very long.

My preference for this would be workfare - if you want a free ride, you have to show up and work. Some welfare recipients could take care of children, others could clean up parks and city streets, salvage abandoned buildings, and similar tasks that make the world a better place but do not require a lot of training or book smarts. But this is a lot more expensive and we've maxed out our credit cards, so in order to fund this something else has to be cut and that's not an easy decision.

But this is rather far afield from WIC, as if memory serves most WIC mothers are working mothers rather than welfare mothers.

 

[SheHateMe]

But this is rather far afield from WIC, as if memory serves most WIC mothers are working mothers rather than welfare mothers.

They're sluts too, according to Nehalem's lap boy Pisabird.

 

[werepossum]

They're sluts too, according to Nehalem's lap boy Pisabird.

You say that like it's a bad thing! I'll have you know that my younger years were split between trying to find sluts and trying to be one.

 

[OverVolt]

Yep, poor people are animals or at least sub human. We get it, you hate the poor (or is it you just hate 47% of Americans).

I also find it fitting that you blame people for feeding wild animals (I'm assuming you agree with what you posted) and yet don't address the fact that their habitat is being infringed on and destroyed. It's easier to blame the symptoms and not the cause though

I'm probably poor too actually. The handouts screw the whole economy up. I'd rather work and see where I stand instead of everyone trying to game the system.

 

[Subyman]

I was watching the local news tonight and in a surrounding county in my area (IL), a staggering 70% of new borns are on the WIC program. What a disgrace.

 

[OverVolt]

I was watching the local news tonight and in a surrounding county in my area (IL), a staggering 70% of new borns are on the WIC program. What a disgrace.

The lowest common denominator eventually becomes the median common denominator. Everyone knows this.

 

[ivwshane]

I'm probably poor too actually. The handouts screw the whole economy up. I'd rather work and see where I stand instead of everyone trying to game the system.

I hate to break it to you but poor people aren't the only ones gaming the system. "handouts" are a response to a bigger issue, until the real issue(s) are addressed I'll prefer the handouts to no handouts.