Why do most college networking policies state that their network cannot be used for commercial gain or private profit? How or why does this hurt or negatively affect anybody? Is a regular online job considered "private profit"? If I work for someone online is that considered "private profit"? I don't see how that hurts anybody or why that wouldn't be allowed.
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I assume they mean you're not to exploit their network for profit, i.e. by running a server off it and selling hosting...
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THAT reason I understand. If that is the only reason then I agree with it. I meant I didn't agree with it if it meant making money online period.
Bah, I'm pissed when I can't play BF2 with my brother because he has hundreds of nubs running BT or some other crap service and he is getting 500 ms pings. Granted, he doesn't need to be playing games on the college network either, but BF2 uses like 10-20K at the most, why he can't get in on some good ping times for fun is beyond me. They have to be sporting a T3 (probably OC line) at least. I mean playing B2 that he legally bought is a lot less worse than all the nubs sharing the latest OC episode through BT...
edit: BTW, he goes to OWU, so I know they have a pretty fat pipe there. When he gets kicked from servers that my Insight cable connection is pinging 40-60 ms, it is kind of sad...
edit: BTW, he goes to OWU, so I know they have a pretty fat pipe there. When he gets kicked from servers that my Insight cable connection is pinging 40-60 ms, it is kind of sad...
There are way more assinine policies than that...
example from my school, which shall remain nameless:
No SMTP services provided. Peroid. Either exchange, webmail or nothing. No authenticated SMTP, nothing. Oh, and you can't use exchange without being a member of the domain, so webmail for you! And fvck you if you're faculty off site. You can't have firewall exceptions so you can access the domain, exchange, the servers and services you need to do your job or any campus resources either. Enjoy your webmail! We're off to play with the cable system!
example from my school, which shall remain nameless:
No SMTP services provided. Peroid. Either exchange, webmail or nothing. No authenticated SMTP, nothing. Oh, and you can't use exchange without being a member of the domain, so webmail for you! And fvck you if you're faculty off site. You can't have firewall exceptions so you can access the domain, exchange, the servers and services you need to do your job or any campus resources either. Enjoy your webmail! We're off to play with the cable system!
Hah, I wouldn't be complaining. On MY network, EVERYTHING is blocked except for port 80 and port 5190 for AIM. No POP3, no Steam or any games, no FTP, IRC, or anything else.
Just be glad you don't have to deal with a packet shaper that directs all non HTTP traffic into a "gutter"
Nope, but I wouldn't want to anyway. I prefer exchange mode so I can check from my desktop/laptop whenever and have it synced.
And I can't get my own cable connection through their jacks, and no DSL is provided in this area. It makes me want to switch schools, but geez, I can't imagine changing what SCHOOL I go to JUST for internet stuff. Seems like a lot of hassle for that.
No. I'm not complaining, as I think BT should be firewalled at a college. As I said in the edit, I use cable, so it doesn't matter too me. He can still join games, because BF2 can still negotiate most firewalls. In fact the more control they have over the netowrk the better. 16567 is the standard BF2 port, and he said they are trying to cut down on BT usage by blocking the 5K-6K port range (most common for BT) Which I think is a great idea. I like BT as much as the next guy, but when you are exploiting it to ruin an antiquated college network, it just makes me mad. I know he should only ne using the network to get on his studies, but really BF2 is much better than uploading 50-80KB to some user the newest OC episode or someting retarded like that. Last I checked BF2 only uses about 10KB a second really...
All I know is my buddies at PSU can do pretty much anything they want, only restriction is 1.5 gigs of transfer per week. Damn...
Well either way, the question at hand was about that policy. So do we all agree that that ONLY means exploiting their network and not just making money online?
That seems reasonable. Too bad that exploitation is in the eye of the beholder. I think that even if you are not making money there are plenty of ways to exploit some colleges really fat pipes...
I mean, making money is one thing, but soaking up bandwidth to stress some colleges antiquated equipment for no academic use is something else alogether...
It's their network, they can do anything they like with it.
But mainly liability and if you're using their resources to make a profit they should get their cut.
But mainly liability and if you're using their resources to make a profit they should get their cut.
But what do you mean by "using their resources" to make a profit? Does that mean the network itself having a part in the profit, or just the fact that you're doing it online? If you're doing a job for someone online and they're paying you, say designing a website for someone, I wouldn't call that "using their resources" to make the profit.
Did your work transport over their lines?
Yes.
Same as going into kinko's, sitting down and using their gear to make a profit - you gotta pay. Think of it as "their resources that you are using to make a profit" and it will become clear.
It's no differerent than having some of their employees doing your work.
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