Why...

Can I use your connection to make a profit?

 

[amdskip]

I got in a heated debate with a college with them saying a user was using their network to maintain his website which was true, server hosted in a datacenter, not there. They went on further to say their network could not be used for anything but academic reasons. I told them to stop fowarding emails while at work then because they too were guilty. It basically got ugly and they shut up about it.

 

[archcommus]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: spidey07
It's their network, they can do anything they like with it.

But mainly liability and if you're using their resources to make a profit they should get their cut.

But what do you mean by "using their resources" to make a profit? Does that mean the network itself having a part in the profit, or just the fact that you're doing it online? If you're doing a job for someone online and they're paying you, say designing a website for someone, I wouldn't call that "using their resources" to make the profit.

Did your work transport over their lines?

Yes.

Same as going into kinko's, sitting down and using their gear to make a profit - you gotta pay. Think of it as "their resources that you are using to make a profit" and it will become clear.

It's no differerent than having some of their employees doing your work.

I'm confused by your last line, their employees are doing my work by me doing a job that I perform over the net?

 

[ChefJoe]

Originally posted by: Captain Howdy
edit: BTW, he goes to OWU, so I know they have a pretty fat pipe there. When he gets kicked from servers that my Insight cable connection is pinging 40-60 ms, it is kind of sad...

I'm from Columbus and it took me a while to understand you meant Ohio Wesleyan.... it's not that big and I doubt they're a part of the internet's main pipes. If anything they're connecting to OSU.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Captain Howdy

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Captain Howdy
Bah, I'm pissed when I can't play BF2 with my brother because he has hundreds of nubs running BT or some other crap service and he is getting 500 ms pings. Granted, he doesn't need to be playing games on the college network either, but BF2 uses like 10-20K at the most, why he can't get in on some good ping times for fun is beyond me. They have to be sporting a T3 (probably OC line) at least. I mean playing B2 that he legally bought is a lot less worse than all the nubs sharing the latest OC episode through BT...

Hah, I wouldn't be complaining. On MY network, EVERYTHING is blocked except for port 80 and port 5190 for AIM. No POP3, no Steam or any games, no FTP, IRC, or anything else.

No. I'm not complaining, as I think BT should be firewalled at a college. As I said in the edit, I use cable, so it doesn't matter too me. He can still join games, because BF2 can still negotiate most firewalls. In fact the more control they have over the netowrk the better. 16567 is the standard BF2 port, and he said they are trying to cut down on BF2 usahge by blocking the 5K-6K port range (most common for BT) Which I think is a great idea. I like BT as much as the next guy, but when you are exploiting it to ruin an antiquated college network, it just makes me mad. I know he should only ne using the network to get on his studies, but really BF2 is much better than uploading 50-80KB to some user the newest OC episode or someting retarded like that. Last I checked BF2 only uses about 10KB a second really...

All I know is my buddies at PSU can do pretty much anything they want, only restriction is 1.5 gigs of transfer per week. Damn...

Purdue: No ports blocked (everything open)
Bandwidth: 3 gb/DAY!

dont forget oncampus network isnt monitored so DC hub is awesome.

ping to chicago is 10ms

ping to new york is 30

DFW is 60

west coast is 80-90

its awesome on campus

 

[archcommus]

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Captain Howdy

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Captain Howdy
Bah, I'm pissed when I can't play BF2 with my brother because he has hundreds of nubs running BT or some other crap service and he is getting 500 ms pings. Granted, he doesn't need to be playing games on the college network either, but BF2 uses like 10-20K at the most, why he can't get in on some good ping times for fun is beyond me. They have to be sporting a T3 (probably OC line) at least. I mean playing B2 that he legally bought is a lot less worse than all the nubs sharing the latest OC episode through BT...

Hah, I wouldn't be complaining. On MY network, EVERYTHING is blocked except for port 80 and port 5190 for AIM. No POP3, no Steam or any games, no FTP, IRC, or anything else.

No. I'm not complaining, as I think BT should be firewalled at a college. As I said in the edit, I use cable, so it doesn't matter too me. He can still join games, because BF2 can still negotiate most firewalls. In fact the more control they have over the netowrk the better. 16567 is the standard BF2 port, and he said they are trying to cut down on BF2 usahge by blocking the 5K-6K port range (most common for BT) Which I think is a great idea. I like BT as much as the next guy, but when you are exploiting it to ruin an antiquated college network, it just makes me mad. I know he should only ne using the network to get on his studies, but really BF2 is much better than uploading 50-80KB to some user the newest OC episode or someting retarded like that. Last I checked BF2 only uses about 10KB a second really...

All I know is my buddies at PSU can do pretty much anything they want, only restriction is 1.5 gigs of transfer per week. Damn...

Purdue: No ports blocked (everything open)
Bandwidth: 3 gb/DAY!

dont forget oncampus network isnt monitored so DC hub is awesome.

ping to chicago is 10ms

ping to new york is 30

DFW is 60

west coast is 80-90

its awesome on campus

Is this issue alone enough to fvcking switch schools? Sometimes I think that.

Geez, don't know what to do. Why do some schools feel the need to block everything and others don't block anything? How can their opinions differ so much?

 

[spidey07]

Opinions differ because it is set by policy. Different schools have different policies.

 

[digiram]

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: archcommus
Why do most college networking policies state that their network cannot be used for commercial gain or private profit? How or why does this hurt or negatively affect anybody? Is a regular online job considered "private profit"? If I work for someone online is that considered "private profit"? I don't see how that hurts anybody.

It's called CYA, that way they aren't liable for business done over their network.

Exactly. Commercial ISP that provide residential service(cable, dsl, etc.) put the same disclaimer into thier TOS agreement.