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Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie
Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Originally posted by: dug777
as spelled out in the Book of Revelation, which go something like this: First there is the Rapture, in which God's loyal followers suddenly disappear from Earth and enter his kingdom. Then comes the Tribulation, a seven-year period of rule by the Antichrist and severe hardship on Earth. During this time, nonbelievers who remain on Earth will have a chance to convert to Christianity but will be hounded by the Antichrist and his minions. Then comes Armageddon, when God comes back to defeat Satan in a devastating battle. Ultimately, there is Judgment Day, when those who are with God live on in Paradise, and others are eternally condemned to Hell.

Why bother with the devastating battle if there's a predetermined conclusion? Maybe satan throws the game, after betting heavily on god...j/k 😉

But seriously, someone explain the point of this...
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Just one of the many flaws of christianity.

I swear, this is a classic case of force-fed bigotry and prejudice.

I thought Chrisitianity was based on LOVE...not sending people different then you to a firery pit for eternity.

😉
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no mention of firery pit for eternity.

"wages sin pays is death", not burn forever.
bible refers to satan as "a roaring lion seeking to devour" everyone he can "for he knows he only has a short time."

and just so you know, we are in the great tribulation now. look around you. "critical times hard to deal with" "having no natural affection"

also, jesus said you will know my followers because they have love for one another. so if you're going to a crazy church that preaches hell, or damnation, or that doesn't nurture and really emphasize learning and brotherly love, then you're in the wrong boat, fella.
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So...who's the anti-christ then?
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We're not in the tribulation period right now, because the rature hasn't occured yet. Though if things continue the way they are are going now, the rapture may not be far off in the future.
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how do you know that the "rapture hasn't occured yet? did you get a newsletter?
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I know the rapture hasn't happened yet because I'm still here and the rapture will be a fantastic event, with millions of born again christians disappearing. Not to mention that the world hasn't *quite* reached the point of utter depravity that is mentioned in the Bible. And there are many antichrists but "the" antichrist is a singular person mentioned in the book of Revelation
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LOL.... depravity. driving your kids into a lake, killing your preggo wife, having sex with virgins to avert aids, a 6yr old shooting another 6yr old at school. the blatant disregard for the state of the environment. any more depraved and we'd all be dead.

and i'm gonna need scripture to back up the fantastic rapture you speak of.

 
Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie

LOL.... depravity. driving your kids into a lake, killing your preggo wife, having sex with virgins to avert aids, a 6yr old shooting another 6yr old at school. the blatant disregard for the state of the environment. any more depraved and we'd all be dead.

and i'm gonna need scripture to back up the fantastic rapture you speak of.
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Revelation.
 
Originally posted by: CrispyFried
Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie

LOL.... depravity. driving your kids into a lake, killing your preggo wife, having sex with virgins to avert aids, a 6yr old shooting another 6yr old at school. the blatant disregard for the state of the environment. any more depraved and we'd all be dead.

and i'm gonna need scripture to back up the fantastic rapture you speak of.
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Revelation.
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please state a scripture that contains the word rapture... i'm having trouble finding it.

thanks
 
Originally posted by: meltdown75
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
man religion makes my head spin 😉
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That's because religion is made up fiction, based on NOTHING but wishful thinking, IN MY OPINION.
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You should then append any such post stating an opposing point of view with the same phrase. Why? Because it is ALL opinion. And why's that? Because it is based on nothing but wishful thinking...
 
Romans 6:21-32 accurately describes our world today:
"26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."

And yes, the rapture will be an awesome event (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18):
3 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: meltdown75
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
man religion makes my head spin 😉
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That's because religion is made up fiction, based on NOTHING but wishful thinking, IN MY OPINION.
Click to expand...
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You should then append any such post stating an opposing point of view with the same phrase. Why? Because it is ALL opinion. And why's that? Because it is based on nothing but wishful thinking...
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lalalalalalallalalalalalalala

here's a tidbit though: for me it's based on FAITH. something people that don't have cannot understand.

i'm out
 
Originally posted by: Crono
Romans 6:21-32 accurately describes our world today:
"26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."

And yes, the rapture will be an awesome event (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18):
3 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
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1st cor. 15:36

you unreasonable person! what you sow is not made alive unless first it dies

romans 6:3-5 ....too lazy to type it all here. i assume what you quoted wasn't from memory.

 
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Satan isn't omniscient - he doesn't know he's going to lose. He really does think he can win.
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*snicker*, so he's illiterate too??? Figure he would have picked up some Chritian Fundies book by now... he DID create them didn't he??

😛
 
Originally posted by: dainthomas
"God either wants to eliminate bad things and cannot, or can but does not want to, or neither wishes to nor can, or both wants to and can. If he wants to and cannot, he is weak -- and this does not apply to god. If he can but does not want to, then he is spiteful -- which is equally foreign to god's nature. If he neither wants to nor can, he is both weak and spiteful and so not a god. If he wants to and can, which is the only thing fitting for a god, where then do bad things come from? Or why does he not eliminate them?"

-Epicurus
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How illogical. And itself spiteful (which actually only appears to be ironic). The state of existence is perfect (because it can be no other way, nothing exists outside existence). The only imperfections lie within your own perspective, and "bad" is an emotional perspective. The answer to the last statement is simple: because you will not let Him. Your reality is your own creation.

Anyway, I do not believe in Satan. Western dualist philosophy holds little appeal for me. Things are defined by themselves, not by their opposites. However, if Satan does exist, it would be impossible that he could operate without the express consent of omnipotent God.

Armageddon? The end of the world?? That's been happening since time began. Everyone faces the end of the world. They die. And that is the end of the world. Their world. The only one they ever knew.
 
Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie
Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Originally posted by: dug777
as spelled out in the Book of Revelation, which go something like this: First there is the Rapture, in which God's loyal followers suddenly disappear from Earth and enter his kingdom. Then comes the Tribulation, a seven-year period of rule by the Antichrist and severe hardship on Earth. During this time, nonbelievers who remain on Earth will have a chance to convert to Christianity but will be hounded by the Antichrist and his minions. Then comes Armageddon, when God comes back to defeat Satan in a devastating battle. Ultimately, there is Judgment Day, when those who are with God live on in Paradise, and others are eternally condemned to Hell.

Why bother with the devastating battle if there's a predetermined conclusion? Maybe satan throws the game, after betting heavily on god...j/k 😉

But seriously, someone explain the point of this...
Click to expand...

Just one of the many flaws of christianity.

I swear, this is a classic case of force-fed bigotry and prejudice.

I thought Chrisitianity was based on LOVE...not sending people different then you to a firery pit for eternity.

😉
Click to expand...

no mention of firery pit for eternity.

"wages sin pays is death", not burn forever.
bible refers to satan as "a roaring lion seeking to devour" everyone he can "for he knows he only has a short time."

and just so you know, we are in the great tribulation now. look around you. "critical times hard to deal with" "having no natural affection"

also, jesus said you will know my followers because they have love for one another. so if you're going to a crazy church that preaches hell, or damnation, or that doesn't nurture and really emphasize learning and brotherly love, then you're in the wrong boat, fella.
Click to expand...

So...who's the anti-christ then?
Click to expand...

We're not in the tribulation period right now, because the rature hasn't occured yet. Though if things continue the way they are are going now, the rapture may not be far off in the future.
Click to expand...

how do you know that the "rapture hasn't occured yet? did you get a newsletter?
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How do you know it did? Did you get a newsletter?
 
I'm chiming in about the antichrist. For a long time I thought it would be a person, but now I'm under the impression that it may be a Computer A.I. I mean, who could possibly force millions of people to conform?

I'm sure you've all heard about biochip technology and the ability to pay with it. I think that eventually, that will be the only form of currency and you will not be able to buy necessities (food, clothing, etc) without it.

Just putting a few thoughts out there.

Edit: Not to mention the chip could also be used to keep tabs on everyone.

Oh yea, I'm making a corrilation between the "mark of the beast" and the biochip technology.
 
Originally posted by: meltdown75
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: meltdown75
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
man religion makes my head spin 😉
Click to expand...

That's because religion is made up fiction, based on NOTHING but wishful thinking, IN MY OPINION.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...

You should then append any such post stating an opposing point of view with the same phrase. Why? Because it is ALL opinion. And why's that? Because it is based on nothing but wishful thinking...
Click to expand...
lalalalalalallalalalalalalala

here's a tidbit though: for me it's based on FAITH. something people that don't have cannot understand.

i'm out
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You point to "faith" like it's some amazing thing that is utterly wonderful and mystical. In reality, "faith" is merely belief in something without evidence.

In other words, wishful thinking 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: meltdown75
lalalalalalallalalalalalalala

here's a tidbit though: for me it's based on FAITH. something people that don't have cannot understand.

i'm out
Click to expand...

You point to "faith" like it's some amazing thing that is utterly wonderful and mystical. In reality, "faith" is merely belief in something without evidence.

In other words, wishful thinking 🙂
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In this context faith goes well beyond wishful thinking in the absence of evidence. Faith requires acceptance in the face of contrary evidence and in the face of reason. Reason and evidence must be subordinated to faith.
 
Originally posted by: dug777
as spelled out in the Book of Revelation, which go something like this: First there is the Rapture, in which God's loyal followers suddenly disappear from Earth and enter his kingdom. Then comes the Tribulation, a seven-year period of rule by the Antichrist and severe hardship on Earth. During this time, nonbelievers who remain on Earth will have a chance to convert to Christianity but will be hounded by the Antichrist and his minions. Then comes Armageddon, when God comes back to defeat Satan in a devastating battle. Ultimately, there is Judgment Day, when those who are with God live on in Paradise, and others are eternally condemned to Hell.

Why bother with the devastating battle if there's a predetermined conclusion? Maybe satan throws the game, after betting heavily on god...j/k 😉

But seriously, someone explain the point of this...
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I haven't read the rest of the thread, yet.

1. The Book of Revelation is VERY vague. Current understanding of it could be off significantly. I do believe many of the events described in it will happen, but how and when they will happen isn't clear.

2. Satan is in denile. He still thinks he can win and, like a captain on a losing warship, he's determined that if he is going to lose then he's going to do as much damage as he can on his way down.
 
Originally posted by: ironwing
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: meltdown75
lalalalalalallalalalalalalala

here's a tidbit though: for me it's based on FAITH. something people that don't have cannot understand.

i'm out
Click to expand...

You point to "faith" like it's some amazing thing that is utterly wonderful and mystical. In reality, "faith" is merely belief in something without evidence.

In other words, wishful thinking 🙂
Click to expand...

In this context faith goes well beyond wishful thinking in the absence of evidence. Faith requires acceptance in the face of contrary evidence and in the face of reason. Reason and evidence must be subordinated to faith.
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I had faith that I would win the Powerball. 🙁
 
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