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chiwawa626

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<< I'm not sure how representative this forum is of today's kids, but if it is why would anyone want to go into the teaching profession?

Would you want to spend you career dealing with a bunch of disrespectful, spoiled brats?

Hopefully, this forum probably isn't a representative sampling. It's probably mostly just a bunch of little pimply faced geeks with well-to-do parents who shell out $40 a month for DSL or a cable connection and buy them the latest and greatest hardware.

If you don't believe me, check out this thread: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=702663
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im not sure how representative u are of an adult...but u make a good asshole.....all kids arent brats
 

chiwawa626

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If you really wanted to know, most pub school kids dont even wanna go to a prepy private school
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<< It's probably mostly just a bunch of little pimply faced geeks with well-to-do parents >>



thats a description of private school kids
 

Hoeboy

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Actually kids can be conditioned to want to learn. One part is left up to the teacher to make learning fun so kids want to learn and the other part is left to parents for re-enforcing whatever the teacher is doing. Probably one of the most important thing I have learned so far for when I become a teacher is the importance of setting up kids to learn. If you just throw work at them day in and day out, not only will they hate learning, their confidence is also somewhat damaged. You have to set kids up by somehow giving them confidence in the task they're about to do. Once that fear is alleviated, they will pretty much get involved in whatever you're trying to teach.

I guess I'm going a bit off track but it proves that teaching is tougher than a lot of people think. Another point is that EVERY kid will misbehave or not listen, even the really good ones. Kids are kids. As a teacher and once realizing this, your days will go much better and teaching may be the next best thing to winning the lottery.
 

montanafan

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Ornery, if your dad retired a while back, then there probably wasn't the same kind of paperwork required of teachers that there is today. When I first started teaching twenty-three years ago, the only paperwork required of us besides grading papers and typing up tests and quizzes was lesson plans that didn't have to be very detailed. Now there is a bureaucratic mess of paperwork required of teachers that have nothing to do with teaching. I won't go into all the details because I did that in a similar thread a few weeks ago, but even lesson plans have to be ridiculously detailed now. Not only do you have to put what you're doing in each class each day, you also have to detail how each thing you're doing matches up with each of the State's Instructional Goals and Objectives, you have to explain how you've made modifications for each lesson for Inclusion Students in collaboration with the Special Education department at the school, you have to explain how you're using Reteach within the curriculum, and you have to show how you're using Writing Across the Curriculum.

That thing about not paying into Social Security must just be your state because I've paid plenty into Social Security. I'm looking at my last pay stub right now and they held out for my Medical Insurance premium, Social Security, Medicare, Federal Withholding Tax, State Income Tax, Life Insurance premium, and Optional Life Insurance premium.

I don't complain alot about how much I'm paid even though I still make below the 40k average after 23 years and an advanced degree. I do alright financially as long as no big unexpected expense pops up. What does bother me is the way that teacher pay keeps so many men out of the profession.

In most families today, both the husband and the wife have to work to make a nice living, but most men would like to have the feeling that they could support their family on their own if need be, and they don't see teaching as a good career for that reason. Or they go into teaching and then quit for a better paying job after they're married and have children and want to be better providers.

When I was in high school, one of my teachers was the perfect example of what we should want teachers in this country to be like. He was an absolute genius with a double major in Physics and Chemistry. He was kind, caring, patient, and had a wonderful sense of humor. I felt so lucky to have him as a teacher that I gladly signed up for Trigonometry, Calculus, and Chemistry in the same year because he would be teaching all three.

His wife became ill when she was expecting their first child and there were some sort of complications that affected the child. He decided that he could not support his family and their medical needs on a teacher's salary and so he managed to get financial aid and scholarships and was accepted at Harvard. He graduated from Harvard Law School and came back to this small rural area to practice law and work with the local community college.

I have no doubt that he's a fine lawyer, but I know he was an excellent teacher and I just wish that our profession didn't have to lose guys like that or not even have a chance at getting them in the first place.
 

Infos

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"If he [a teacher] is indeed wise he does not bid you enter the house of his wisdom, but rather leads you to the threshold of your own mind." -Kahlil Gibran
:)
 

tecumseh

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Why am I going into teaching?:

1) It's rewarding- Since I'm in Special Education, I will be working with children that have a wide range of disabilities. Maybe I can make a difference.

2) Being a good, positive male role model- How many children in today's society come from a traditional family? How many of those children have a father? Since I'll be at the K-6 level, maybe I can have some influence on a child that only a male can have.

3) I don't want to sit in a cubicle all day- How boring!! Why would anyone want a job that has you sitting in a cube all day staring at a computer is beyond me. I don't care how good the money is! If your job is unfullfilling than your going to be miserable. And I know a ton of miserable people that hate there jobs. And I don't want to be one of them. Life is to short!!!

4) Male teachers are more marketable- Since I'm a Special Education major and I'm going to be teaching at the K-6 level, I stand a good chance of being quickly employed. In NJ, we need male teachers. We don't have enough male teachers going into the education field. And I see it all the time. In all of my core classes the male's are out numbered 4-1. Last semester, I had a Special Education 2 class that consisted of 25 women and 2 males. And I was one of those males. :)

5) I'm able to relate to children with special needs- I was in Special Ed classes when I was going my years in the public school system, and I know how difficult it can for some of these students. I had a ton of behavioral problems. I used to tell the teachers to go f*ck themselves. I would pull my hair out in large clumps, and I would repeatedly bang my head on the classroom walls. You need patience when dealing with children with special needs!!

This is just a small sample of why I want to teach! I'm not getting into teaching because I'll have the summer's off, or I be starting at $40,000. I'm getting into teaching because I want to make a difference in a child's life.

Right now I'm participtating in our cities big brother program. It's awesome. Some of these children need a strong male role model, because they don't know what it means to have a caring father in there lives.

Finally, I really think some of you guys need to step away from your computer and go outside and see what life is about. If you really think teaching is so easy then sub. at your local school district for a week. It's not an easy job. In my opinion, it's pretty ignorant of some people to state that teaching is easy and that most teachers are in it just because they like there yearly salaries. Most of the users here that post those idiotic comments about teaching wouldn't last a day in the public school system. I bet that you probably don't have th social skills to even relate to some of today's troubled youth. :Q



 

McPhreak

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<< The average teacher's salary across the United States in 1998 was $40,582.00. About $28.00 per hour plus benefits and fancy retirement, because the Social Security program isn't good enough for them, apparently.

My dad retired from teaching, so I know how much time had to go into lesson planning etc. They don't have a class full of kids for each of the 8 hours at school, if they're even at school 8 hours, so that time can be used as they choose for planning or grading etc..
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Does this include college professors and private school teachers?
 

Ornery

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I think my dad was bought out about ten years ago. He never griped about the bureaucracy, but he taught Vocational Machine Shop, and some of the kids were a little rough around the edges. He did chafe at the fact that he couldn't "man handle" the kids like he did when he first started.

If I could rework the whole public school system, I'd start by allowing as many kids as possible to teach themselves via computer based lessons, video presentations, distance learning and tutoring each other. Save the one on one teaching for important interactions. Give the kids incentives for learning on their own and tutoring others. That would free up teachers for slower students etc..

Make the lessons uniform across the country. I know software developers can come up with awesome programs for children to do on their own. It would actually cut down on red tape, because of the standardization. And who says kids have to be with others their own age? Some children could blow through the whole 12 years worth of studies in 6 years. Others may take 18 years. What's the difference? Imagine learning from home 2 or 3 days a week instead of showing up at school everyday. As long as the work gets done and it's right, why not? If you want to argue that parents are using the school for watching their kids during the day, I agree. But we can have kids baby sat by someone other than highly paid teachers, no? Yeah, I've thought about this a bit now and then... <sigh>
 

cmdavid

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DoDEA... thats all i gotta say.. if I was a teacher I would definitely work with DoDEA.. You get paid real good, (most of my teacher's who had a master's averaged a 60-70K/ year salary), you get to live all over the world for free, well, Europe and the Pacific at least.. Only work 190 days a year
calendar , paid trips every other year to fly back to America, or your "home", free housing, free electricity, free water, free phone bill... what else... new cultures.. safe.. pretty much everything.. COLA (cost of living allowance, translates into more money).. i dunno.. for all you people aspiring to be teachers out there, look into DoDEA.. its a great program, especially if you're down with traveling...
 

Mustanggt

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there is allways that % of kids that are not spoiled brats just like there that % of adults that are morons.
 

jaydee

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<< Hopefully, this forum isn't a representative sampling. It's probably mostly just a bunch of little pimply faced geeks with well-to-do parents who shell out $40 a month for DSL or a cable connection and buy them the latest and greatest hardware. >>



I'm stuck on dial-up and FYI, my pimples have since cleared up, thank you very much.
 

LiLRiceBoi

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I'm sure teaching actually isnt that bad if you can get by with the little punk ass bitch kids.
 

Riprorin

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<< there is allways that % of kids that are not spoiled brats just like there that % of adults that are morons. >>



I hire a HS kid every year to help out my technician. Most of them have been very good. The schools carefully screen them though so we get the cream of the crop.
 

KaBudokan

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<< If I could rework the whole public school system, I'd start by allowing as many kids as possible to teach themselves via computer based lessons, video presentations, distance learning and tutoring each other. >>


Ornery, you're kidding right?

Well, I assume you're not, but it amazes me that you could actually think most kids would be better off this way. You obviously don't have a freaking clue about learning.

For the geeks here at Anandtech, who spend 1/2 their life in front of a computer, that would probably be fine. However, for many, if not most students, this just wouldn't work. There are things called learning styles, and not everyone in the world will be able to accomplish something sitting at a computer for 8 hours.

"Standardization" is all good in theory, but to be really effective teachers, the actual lessons need to be differentiated. You will reach a VERY small percentage of students by plopping them all in front of a computer screen. Standardized goals are ok (once again, in theory), but you can't teach all kids the same way.

(You are right about tutoring being a good way for kids to learn, but honestly, it is usually the tutors who get more out of it than the kid being tutored.)

Anyway... I'm glad you've thought about this and worked it all out, but... ummmm... keep thinking. ;)
 

Riprorin

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If I was in a position to home school I would. It's amazing how much you can accomplish in a short time when you work one on one with a child.

 

dirtboy

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<< Your father is luckier than my mother then. She's an elementary teacher and she gets to work at about 7am and leaves at about 5pm. There are numerous days when she's not home until 7pm. She comes home with wonderful stories about having to deal with her union, how the administrators have no idea about actual teaching, and how parents today don't give a damn how their children behave. I think that the teachers' retirement program has to do with the fact that they are state employees and therefore technically civil servants, but I'm not sure. >>



I have a friend who is a teacher, who used to work all kinds of hours when she started. She said that now she doesn't have to do that any more, but there are many teachers who willinging stay late and/or work weekends. I asked her how she is able to cut down her time at school, and she explained to me that it is all about being efficient.

Teachers are indeed state employees. In California, teachers used to pay into Social Security, but now they don't. I guess at some point they decided not to.

Like any job, people can find something wrong with it. Yes they have parents, the union, etc. People in private industry have bosses, clients, etc. It averages out.
 

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If you work in an elementary school, it's much easier. Not to mention how much vacation time you get off. The entire summer, christmas break, february break, passover/easter break, thanksgiving, and other misc holidays. As for a high school, I don't know why someone would teach that. However, some teachers connect great with students of certain age and they want to make a difference I guess.
 

Ornery

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"...amazes me that you could actually think most kids would be better off this way."

I said, "I'd start by allowing as many kids as possible..."

And that's just for starters. Let them do as much as they can on their own. Ever hear of Maria Montessori? She was on the right track by far with no computers at all. And you're right that the kids that tutor get more out of it than the ones being tutored. Is that a problem? There's no reason why a 12 year old kid can't help a 10 year old with their math. If it frees the teacher up to help somebody else, where's the problem?

Even if only 10% of the kids could learn on their own, that's 10% fewer kids to worry about. What would be the harm in trying this? I am confident many more than 10% would take the ball and run with it. They always have the teacher and classroom available when needed...
 

waggy

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Wow wish my wife made 70k when she was teaching! She taught 5th grade and made for her first year 26k she decided to take the summer off. Her 2nd year she made 31k but she busted her ass over the summer.

After the 3rd year she was stressed. Not so much over the children but how the parents didn?t care. She would contact them to tell how poorly Joe or Suzy is doing in school and the parents would just say ?well I work all day and can?t make him/her/it do anything? BUT those same parents are out at the bar or able to watch every football/basketball/talk show etc on TV. You wouldn?t believe some of the excuses parents have for kids missing school or not doing homework. Eventually the stress of incompetent management taking classes ever year and the general bulls**t from students got to her. She quit her after her 4th year.

We did a lot for her students. We would take a lot of them to a local water park every summer or to Great America. We own a farm and would have kids over for BBQ?s. Or work around here to earn a little money. We still see a lot of them. But since she hasn?t worked for the last 2 years she has relaxed and got back to her old self. She has been thinking of going back but the job she has now pays her a lot more then teaching did.

And those people saying it?s a easy job. That they only work less then 8hrs a day and 9 months a year are wrong. You have to put in time planning, setting up course work and grading she would actually work closer to 12 hours a day. In summer she would have to take more classes and would either do summer school or work at a pet shop that we are good friends with the owner.

 

ultimatebob

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<< and I would like to know where public school teachers make 70,000$? I am almost postivie you are wrong. that is the EXTREME rarity and highend for a school district to pay. >>



Maybe a private school thing? I don't know. Most Public University Professors don't even make that much.
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Really? The school that I went to was required to release the salaries of their professors very year, so I KNOW that they started at $60K and made up to $130K when they became chairs of their department. This was also a small state school in a rural area, so I'd imagine that most professors make even more.

By the way, the area where I now live has some of the best-funded schools in the country. I'll bet that most of the teachers around here easily make around $70K.
 

djheater

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<< I'm not sure how representative this forum is of today's kids, but if it is why would anyone want to go into the teaching profession?

Would you want to spend you career dealing with a bunch of disrespectful, spoiled brats?

Hopefully, this forum isn't a representative sampling. It's probably mostly just a bunch of little pimply faced geeks with well-to-do parents who shell out $40 a month for DSL or a cable connection and buy them the latest and greatest hardware.

If you don't believe me, check out this thread: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=702663
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It's untenable to make such a sweeping generalization based on the posts in that thread. it makes you look silly.

You don't know johnjohn. He's a very smart person and if previous posts are any indication works his ass off in academic classes to make up for the time he spends elsewhere. I'm sure he's a remarkable student.

Isn't it possible that the teacher made that decision based on a personal grudge against the choir director or the student. It's happened to me before...
 

rubix

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the fact that you arent sure how representative this forum is of all the millons of kids in america and other countires shows about how smart you are

sounds more like you dont like some peoples opinions
 

Deeko

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I didn't read the thread, but if you are referring to disrespecful spoiled brats like johnjohn320? You are an idiot, he did nothing wrong, and did I mention that you are an idiot? People like you certainly shouldn't be teaching.
 

waggy

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<< and I would like to know where public school teachers make 70,000$? I am almost postivie you are wrong. that is the EXTREME rarity and highend for a school district to pay. >>



Maybe a private school thing? I don't know. Most Public University Professors don't even make that much.
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Really? The school that I went to was required to release the salaries of their professors very year, so I KNOW that they started at $60K and made up to $130K when they became chairs of their department. This was also a small state school in a rural area, so I'd imagine that most professors make even more.

By the way, the area where I now live has some of the best-funded schools in the country. I'll bet that most of the teachers around here easily make around $70K.
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Wow! Where do you live? Because around here in IL starting wage is nowhere that high. Though in Naperville I hear the pay is a lot higher.

Hmm with my wife making 60k starting I would love for her to go back. Man we would be living it up!

But then you say people heading the chairs make 130k that may be true. But not very many get to be chair of the department. And yes college professors make a lot more then k-12 teachers. Personally I would rather be a college professor then teach k-12. At least in college the kids pay to be there and if they don?t show up they wont be there that long.
 

WageSlave

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Really? The school that I went to was required to release the salaries of their professors very year, so I KNOW that they started at $60K and made up to $130K when they became chairs of their department. This was also a small state school in a rural area, so I'd imagine that most professors make even more.

By the way, the area where I now live has some of the best-funded schools in the country. I'll bet that most of the teachers around here easily make around $70K.



where DO you live? I want to move there. My wife and I live in Michigan, and she graduated from one of the best Liberal Arts colleges in the MidWest, with a very, very high grade point, and amazing recommendations, she was easily accepted into one of the countries best medieval history programs, and takes grad classes at night. She works all of her spare time, and spends most of her smmer vacation preparing lesson plans for the next year. She pays into social security, and while our health insurance is good, the rest of our insurance is not good at all..

oh, and thanks to her expertise, hard work, and great training she makes a TON of money, somewhere around... lets see 33k a year.....
I am now finishing my bachelors degree and we can barely pay the bills... must be nice to start out at 60k


Oh, and the average salary for a University professor in this area is somewhere around 60K .. thats WITH tenure.. MAYBE higher for a head, at UofM, but not much.