CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Yeah, on DirectTV though it didn't cut any of the show off - just the previews for next week. When I started 24 and saw his gums flapping, I told my wife that the asshat better not have f'd up the recording.
This.
It has nothing to do with whether or not you agree with his plans or view points. What he is doing is the very essence of good leadership. Now, whether or not his plans end up working is an entirely different story which is mutually exclusive to his ability to lead. History has proven that you can be a fantastic leader, but make poor planning decisions. It has also shown that the best of the best are both fantastic leaders and make great decisions. I think Obama is the ladder, but that is just me.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Perhaps people don't like the way the R's are handling it because they don't think they are being tough enough on the D's for shutting them out
Also, just because people like BHO flapping his gums and promising eden doesn't mean they like the actual pork plan currently pending.
Zebo
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Perhaps people don't like the way the R's are handling it because they don't think they are being tough enough on the D's for shutting them out
Yeah right. Never underestimate the people willingness to suck the Government teet. Hell there is a thread here, on front page, about the $15,000 Home Buying Tax Credit and right leaning people in there were praising it.
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Perhaps people don't like the way the R's are handling it because they don't think they are being tough enough on the D's for shutting them out
2.7% of the bill is pork. It is not a pork plan. The problem is that too many people are labeling what they do not believe will work in the bill as "pork" when it is not actually pork. The GOP is trying to spin it that way though because they know that "pork" is a naughty word in general. It doesn't seem as bad when you call it what it actually is which is something that each citizen on a case by case basis may or may not support.
The other problem is that people are too often forgetting that the intention of this bill is not just to stimulate the economy. That is the primary function, but it's true purpose encompasses more than just that. Obama is not trying to hide that from anyone, but the GOP is certainly trying to hide it in attempt to earn more brownie points by trying to shadow the whole truth.
If you do not think the plan will work then that is fine, but don't go around trying to categorize it as something that it is not.
Red Dawn
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Or the fact that all they are doing is whining and not offering a "Viable" alternative plan, just the same old bullshit that didn't work under Bush.Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Perhaps people don't like the way the R's are handling it because they don't think they are being tough enough on the D's for shutting them out
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Perhaps people don't like the way the R's are handling it because they don't think they are being tough enough on the D's for shutting them out
2.7% of the bill is pork. It is not a pork plan. The problem is that too many people are labeling what they do not believe will work in the bill as "pork" when it is not actually pork. The GOP is trying to spin it that way though because they know that "pork" is a naughty word in general. It doesn't seem as bad when you call it what it actually is which is something that each citizen on a case by case basis may or may not support.
lol, keep trying with the 3% pork BS. There is much more than that as much of it hasn't even been seen daylight yet. Also much goes straight to states and the piggies there are already lined up at the trough.
Hell, if you libs can try to claim this is a "stimulus" bill when it's not, how can you complain about someone properly calling it "pork". Just because it's not done via the traditional "earmark" means doesn't mean it isn't pork. Much of this bill is nothing but traditional liberal BS they couldn't get through so now under the guise of "emergency" and "stimulus" they don't even have to earmark anything...
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Perhaps people don't like the way the R's are handling it because they don't think they are being tough enough on the D's for shutting them out
2.7% of the bill is pork. It is not a pork plan. The problem is that too many people are labeling what they do not believe will work in the bill as "pork" when it is not actually pork. The GOP is trying to spin it that way though because they know that "pork" is a naughty word in general. It doesn't seem as bad when you call it what it actually is which is something that each citizen on a case by case basis may or may not support.
lol, keep trying with the 3% pork BS. There is much more than that as much of it hasn't even been seen daylight yet. Also much goes straight to states and the piggies there are already lined up at the trough.
Hell, if you libs can try to claim this is a "stimulus" bill when it's not, how can you complain about someone properly calling it "pork". Just because it's not done via the traditional "earmark" means doesn't mean it isn't pork. Much of this bill is nothing but traditional liberal BS they couldn't get through so now under the guise of "emergency" and "stimulus" they don't even have to earmark anything...
Read the edit.
Again, the bill's intention is not just to stimulate the economy alone in a direct way that will create jobs within a year or whatever. That might be what you want the bill to be, but that is not its only intention which means it is not full of pork. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it is pork. It is pork if something is in there which has absolutely no relation to the bill's intended purpose.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Or the fact that all they are doing is whining and not offering a "Viable" alternative plan, just the same old bullshit that didn't work under Bush.Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Perhaps people don't like the way the R's are handling it because they don't think they are being tough enough on the D's for shutting them out
Except it did work. But lets say you are correct for a minute, just because they don't have a viable plan(according to you libs) doesn't mean they are whining. Properly stepping up and opposing this massive bloated Dem wet dream list of spending is not "whining".
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Perhaps people don't like the way the R's are handling it because they don't think they are being tough enough on the D's for shutting them out
2.7% of the bill is pork. It is not a pork plan. The problem is that too many people are labeling what they do not believe will work in the bill as "pork" when it is not actually pork. The GOP is trying to spin it that way though because they know that "pork" is a naughty word in general. It doesn't seem as bad when you call it what it actually is which is something that each citizen on a case by case basis may or may not support.
lol, keep trying with the 3% pork BS. There is much more than that as much of it hasn't even been seen daylight yet. Also much goes straight to states and the piggies there are already lined up at the trough.
Hell, if you libs can try to claim this is a "stimulus" bill when it's not, how can you complain about someone properly calling it "pork". Just because it's not done via the traditional "earmark" means doesn't mean it isn't pork. Much of this bill is nothing but traditional liberal BS they couldn't get through so now under the guise of "emergency" and "stimulus" they don't even have to earmark anything...
Read the edit.
Again, the bill's intention is not just to stimulate the economy alone in a direct way that will create jobs within a year or whatever. That might be what you want the bill to be, but that is not its only intention which means it is not full of pork. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it is pork. It is pork if something is in there which has absolutely no relation to the bill's intended purpose.
That's what it was sold as and is still being sold as. A "stimulus" and "jobs" bill - and it does neither of them even remotely well.
Not true. It just so happens that the direct stimulus portions are both the primary purpose and most popular purpose. However, it is not the only purpose and that is a very important fact to remember.
Now, will it work? I think so, but there is no guarantee. If it fails, that does not mean the bill is pork. It just means that the bill failed.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
OrByte
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I think some people are simply used to the old way of doing things....congress pass legislation and then the White House issue Executive Orders allowing for the President and the Administration to do whatever the hell it wants.
Now you have Obama seeking public support of his agenda....instead of hiding his agenda from the public.
I can see how that would be strange for the freepers and wingnuts of the world.
Now you have Obama seeking public support of his agenda....instead of hiding his agenda from the public.
I can see how that would be strange for the freepers and wingnuts of the world.
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