The "buh buh buh bush" one-liners are going to get old very fast. Please try again when you have something to add to the discussion.
Fern
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^This.
The NYT had an article when the House version came out talking about the exact same - pork by another name with lobbyists lined up at the state level.
Just saw an article today that mentioned one 'stimulus project' being $88 million to some school district (in MN?) where student registration has been sinking substanitally and there are 15 vacant/unused schools. IMO, brings two things to mind: (1) what's all buried in these +600 pages, and (2) are these items labeled appropriately?, or labeled to sound better than they are? $88 million for a school district would be applauded by many - until they learn the facts.
Washington DC is (in)famous for mis-labeling stuff to make it sound better than it is - think they may have done it again in this bill?
Fern
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It is time for the sore losers to come to accept reality. You lost. Get over it. What Obama is doing is leadership. He is trying to clean up the mess left by your hero.
Exactly, and what's wrong with that? You had Republicans centering debate around provisions that were under 3% of the bill, so Obama came out to move that debate. It's good leadership, and good politics. The bill didn't change, people were just getting one side of it. If you look at the percentage of Republicans/Democrats appearing on the major media organizations in the week where public support dropped, Republicans were outnumbering Democrats in many cases 2/1, 3/1, or worse. (some librul media, huh?) So what's the answer to that?
Use your press power to get your side out, get public support for it. Good leadership.
Take out the papers and the trash
Or you don't get no spendin' cash
If you don't scrub that kitchen floor
You ain't gonna rock and roll no more
Yakety yak (don't talk back)
Just finish cleanin' up your room
Let's see that dust fly with that broom
Get all that garbage out of sight
Or you don't go out Friday night
Yakety yak (don't talk back)
You just put on your coat and hat
And walk yourself to the laundromat
And when you finish doin' that
Bring in the dog and put out the cat
Yakety yak (don't talk back)
Don't you give me no dirty looks
Your father's hip; he knows what cooks
Just tell your hoodlum friend outside
You ain't got time to take a ride
Yakety yak (don't talk back)
Yakety yak, yakety yak
Yakety yak, yakety yak
Yakety yak, yakety yak
FADE
Yakety yak, yakety yak
Keep yo big mouth shut loki
Or you don't get no spendin' cash
If you don't scrub that kitchen floor
You ain't gonna rock and roll no more
Yakety yak (don't talk back)
Just finish cleanin' up your room
Let's see that dust fly with that broom
Get all that garbage out of sight
Or you don't go out Friday night
Yakety yak (don't talk back)
You just put on your coat and hat
And walk yourself to the laundromat
And when you finish doin' that
Bring in the dog and put out the cat
Yakety yak (don't talk back)
Don't you give me no dirty looks
Your father's hip; he knows what cooks
Just tell your hoodlum friend outside
You ain't got time to take a ride
Yakety yak (don't talk back)
Yakety yak, yakety yak
Yakety yak, yakety yak
Yakety yak, yakety yak
FADE
Yakety yak, yakety yak
Keep yo big mouth shut loki
shira
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Perhaps people don't like the way the R's are handling it because they don't think they are being tough enough on the D's for shutting them outAlso, just because people like BHO flapping his gums and promising eden doesn't mean they like the actual pork plan currently pending.
2.7% of the bill is pork. It is not a pork plan. The problem is that too many people are labeling what they do not believe will work in the bill as "pork" when it is not actually pork. The GOP is trying to spin it that way though because they know that "pork" is a naughty word in general. It doesn't seem as bad when you call it what it actually is which is something that each citizen on a case by case basis may or may not support.
lol, keep trying with the 3% pork BS. There is much more than that as much of it hasn't even been seen daylight yet. Also much goes straight to states and the piggies there are already lined up at the trough.
Hell, if you libs can try to claim this is a "stimulus" bill when it's not, how can you complain about someone properly calling it "pork". Just because it's not done via the traditional "earmark" means doesn't mean it isn't pork. Much of this bill is nothing but traditional liberal BS they couldn't get through so now under the guise of "emergency" and "stimulus" they don't even have to earmark anything...
If much of the bill hasn't seen daylight yet, then how exactly do you know that "much more than 3%" is pork? Are you psychic? Please show us your proof.
On top of that, I am completely convinced that one of the biggest issues with our country right now is a lack of confidence. Obama helps that problem a lot doing what he does. That is part of his job. That is part of being a good leader. Alone it is not enough to be considered a good President, but the rest has remained to be seen.
I also believe that we will fail if we only have one without the other and that goes both ways. Many people believe otherwise though. Many liberals seem to think that confidence is enough and they are wrong. Likewise, many conservatives seem to think that we can get along just fine without having much if any confidence in government both before and after the real action. They are wrong too. Obama knows this.
rudder
Lifer
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Or the fact that all they are doing is whining and not offering a "Viable" alternative plan, just the same old bullshit that didn't work under Bush.Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Perhaps people don't like the way the R's are handling it because they don't think they are being tough enough on the D's for shutting them out
Tell me where all the money went in the first stimulus package? Anyway most of Bush's presidency the nation had a 5.5% unemployment rate. Now we enter another cyclical recession cycle. When you adjust for the difference in population this recession has no where near the job losses of the 80-81 recession.
I just don't understand why everyone bitches about the Iraq war costing money and here the government just shells out another trillion dollars for what?... and you all enter into a circle jerk. Where is the credit that the banks are supposed to be doling out?
The difference between Iraq and this package has been explained many times. First of all, while the direct treasury costs of the Iraq War look to be about $1 trillion right now, the total costs to the US economy appear to be much, much, much higher. (how much higher is debatable, but last year some nobel prize winning economists pegged it conservatively at $3 trillion+). Secondly, that money has a poor rate of return for improvements in America. If we use this stimulus package and the government builds a school, or buys a car, no matter what else the money does we still have that school or that car. The money spent in Iraq is spent on things that the average American citizen sees no return on.
Also, the credit situation for banks worldwide has substantially improved since the bailout happened last year. Ask anyone that works in finance, while things still aren't great by any means, they are much, much better than they were.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Maybe he should use it to unstick Congress instead of flapping his gums around the country when most of us don't like the current D bill. He could easily turn his "bully pulpit" on them and tell the two puppet masters to actually be "bi-partisan" so the bill can be improved. Maybe... just maybe the rest of us might support this.
Proof that most people don't like the bill overall?
I know that most everyone can identify certain line items that they do not like, but that doesn't mean that all of these same people do not approve of the bill.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
2-3X bigger? puhfugginleeze. I'm sure it's a wet dream of you socialists but we don't need more of this gov't spending - especially not under the guise of "stimulus".He is not leading - he's gum flapping to the nation but he sure as hell isn't leading. Leading would be getting congress to pass a better bill. Something that will get more than 3 rino votes.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
The majority of America did support the bill until the Republican assault on it last week. Why don't we wait until the Democratic counterattack is complete and see where the opinions of the people end up?
Also, I'll never understand the 'puppet master' thing that keeps popping up around here, it's almost like you expect the President to go forth and crush the Congress under his bootheel as has been going on for the last 8 years. A hint: the lack of a balance of power between the branches is a big reason why we're in the hole we're in)
What's funny about this is that the final senate version of the bill is very close to 60% spending and 40% tax cuts, exactly what our good friend Rush Limbaugh described as his model of a bipartisan bill.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Yep, people supported it until they saw how worthless it was. Good on the R's for getting people to actually look at it instead of just swallowing the shit sandwich.
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