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JACKDRUID

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Originally posted by: quest55720
If we would of put 400 billion into infrastructure over the next 5 years we would be much better off. Business people could plan for the next 5 years of producing goods to go into the infrastructure projects. That and we could get better planning for spending that money by taking a little time.

see above, thats exactly what stimulus plan looks like...

No health care,hybrid engines,science facilities, education and schools are not infrastructure. Those are pork or on the democratic wish list. Now if the democrats want to make another bill for those things then go for it. Those do not belong in a stimulus package.

technology infrastructure = science , hybrid engine
intellectual infrastructure = education, school

ps: looks like you can't even quote reasonably...waste of forum space debating with you.
 

quest55720

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Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
Originally posted by: Budmantom

May 1939, Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau testified:

"We are spending more money than we have ever spent before, and it does not work. ... I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. ... I say after eight years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started ... and an enormous debt, to boot."

bolded was proven false due to :

1. we successfully ended the Great Depression
2. became #1 world power for many years
2. and prospered for another 60+ years.


No WWII ended the great depression. Building tank, airplanes and ammo etc put people to work and ended the great depression. All this porkulus will do is put us more in debt which will come back to bite us in the ass. Things like porkuls will be paid for by young people getting screwed by SS.

the New Deal helped to ease the depression and build important road and rails which were necessary for transportation of WWII goods to end depression.

Transportation build during New Deal has given us great foundation for economic trade etc, whch helped us proper for 60 yrs until now.

To bad most of this porkulus is not infrastructure spending. It is mostly tax cuts welfare and misc pork very little infrastructure. If the bill was 50% infrastructure then I could get behind it. I just can't get behind spending a trillion on welfare and Frisbee parks.

build hybrid engine , renewable energy development, reduce waste, science facilities, high-speed Internet access to rural areas, transportation projects, transite project, water projects, school modernization, preventive care, health insurance subsidies, education..

are ALL INFRASTRUCTURE SPEND for a better future.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123202946622485595.html

No health care,hybrid engines,science facilities, education and schools are not infrastructure. Those are pork or on the democratic wish list. Now if the democrats want to make another bill for those things then go for it. Those do not belong in a stimulus package.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: quest55720

No health care,hybrid engines,science facilities, education and schools are not infrastructure. Those are pork or on the democratic wish list. Now if the democrats want to make another bill for those things then go for it. Those do not belong in a stimulus package.

A health care system isn't infrastructure? A school system isn't infrastructure?

The #2 definition of infrastructure: The basic facilities, services, and installations needed for the functioning of a community or society, such as transportation and communications systems, water and power lines, and public institutions including schools, post offices, and prisons.

Damn that librul dictionary!
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: quest55720

No health care,hybrid engines,science facilities, education and schools are not infrastructure. Those are pork or on the democratic wish list. Now if the democrats want to make another bill for those things then go for it. Those do not belong in a stimulus package.

A health care system isn't infrastructure? A school system isn't infrastructure?

The #2 definition of infrastructure: The basic facilities, services, and installations needed for the functioning of a community or society, such as transportation and communications systems, water and power lines, and public institutions including schools, post offices, and prisons.

Damn that librul dictionary!
Hey cut him some slack, he just knows what Rush tells him.

 

classy

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
The guy is an empty suit.. just like he has been during his time in Illinois.. no leadership at all. He's still campaigning. YOU WON Barack.. Stop the campaign and start LEADING.

Yep and that empty suit will fill the white house for the next 8 years, get over it, :p
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
The guy is an empty suit.. just like he has been during his time in Illinois.. no leadership at all. He's still campaigning. YOU WON Barack.. Stop the campaign and start LEADING.

Yep and that empty suit will fill the white house for the next 8 years, get over it, :p

An empty brain sees empty suits wherever it looks.
 

Bird222

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Or the fact that all they are doing is whining and not offering a "Viable" alternative plan, just the same old bullshit that didn't work under Bush.

Except it did work. But lets say you are correct for a minute, just because they don't have a viable plan(according to you libs) doesn't mean they are whining. Properly stepping up and opposing this massive bloated Dem wet dream list of spending is not "whining".

Are you kidding? Please present some evidence of this.

 

shira

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: quest55720

No health care,hybrid engines,science facilities, education and schools are not infrastructure. Those are pork or on the democratic wish list. Now if the democrats want to make another bill for those things then go for it. Those do not belong in a stimulus package.

A health care system isn't infrastructure? A school system isn't infrastructure?

The #2 definition of infrastructure: The basic facilities, services, and installations needed for the functioning of a community or society, such as transportation and communications systems, water and power lines, and public institutions including schools, post offices, and prisons.

Damn that librul dictionary!

Pork is what the repubs say it is.

Highways? Pork.
Hospitals? Pork.
Schools? Pork.
Medical research? Pork.
A new, modern bridge to replace an old, decaying one? Pork.

Science grants for research programs investigating Intelligent Design? Infrastructure.
 

jjzelinski

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Originally posted by: Bird222
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Or the fact that all they are doing is whining and not offering a "Viable" alternative plan, just the same old bullshit that didn't work under Bush.

Except it did work. But lets say you are correct for a minute, just because they don't have a viable plan(according to you libs) doesn't mean they are whining. Properly stepping up and opposing this massive bloated Dem wet dream list of spending is not "whining".

Are you kidding? Please present some evidence of this.

Yeah, please define "work"...
 

4537256

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he may be President, but he can't just say it and make it happen, there are others who stand in the way, argue or want more/less in the policy..etc. He'll be the scapegoat, but he isnt all to blame.
 

nageov3t

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yet another pointless speech tonight... can't he just put out a press release and let me read it in the morning?
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: JS80

He's not going to stop talking until the dow is at 0.

At least, Obama's articulate enough to talk, which is more than can be said for your EX-Tratior In Chief, the jackass who caused the economic mess we're in, now.
 

dwell

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Originally posted by: Harvey
At least, Obama's articulate enough to talk, which is more than can be said for your EX-Tratior In Chief, the jackass who caused the economic mess we're in, now.

Yeah, Clinton was a clusterfuck alright.
 

alien42

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Originally posted by: Chris
Originally posted by: Harvey
At least, Obama's articulate enough to talk, which is more than can be said for your EX-Tratior In Chief, the jackass who caused the economic mess we're in, now.

Yeah, Clinton was a clusterfuck alright.

no, Clinton was also articulate, try again.
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: JS80

He's not going to stop talking until the dow is at 0.

At least, Obama's articulate enough to talk, which is more than can be said for your EX-Tratior In Chief, the jackass who caused the economic mess we're in, now.

your point is both important and relevant to the topic.
 

dwell

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Originally posted by: alien42
Originally posted by: Chris
Originally posted by: Harvey
At least, Obama's articulate enough to talk, which is more than can be said for your EX-Tratior In Chief, the jackass who caused the economic mess we're in, now.

Yeah, Clinton was a clusterfuck alright.

no, Clinton was also articulate, try again.

That depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. At least Clinton was the first black president.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: JS80

He's not going to stop talking until the dow is at 0.

At least, Obama's articulate enough to talk, which is more than can be said for your EX-Tratior In Chief, the jackass who caused the economic mess we're in, now.

your point is both important and relevant to the topic.

So basically you're mad that Obama is going to give a speech tonight the same way new presidents have been giving them for quite awhile now? Okay I guess.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: Harvey

At least, Obama's articulate enough to talk, which is more than can be said for your EX-Tratior In Chief, the jackass who caused the economic mess we're in, now.

Yeah, Clinton was a clusterfuck alright.

Ah... Allow me to clarify. George W. Bush and his criminal administration are TRAITORS who, as of 2/24/09, has MURDERED 4,251 American troops in their war of LIES in Iraq.

George W. Bush and his criminal administration have committed TORTURE and other heinous war crimes and crimes against humanity, and they did it in our name, leaving a dark, bloody stain on the integrity and honor of the United States of America that will not be cleansed until they are tried and convicted for their crimes.

George W. Bush and his criminal administration abandoned all oversight over the wheeling and dealing of their wealthy Wall Street robber barons while they picked the bones of our once great, once thriving economy and stuffed it into their golden parachutes.

And finally, George W. Bush is the inarticulate POS who is the reason I am glad we finally have a President who, when he speaks, sounds like what he is, an educated, articulate, informed man capable of high level thought, instead of a dunce who couldn't talk his way through a happy meal menu.
 

dwell

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Ah... Allow me to clarify. George W. Bush and his criminal administration are TRAITORS who, as of 2/24/09, has MURDERED 4,251 American troops in their war of LIES in Iraq.

TRAITORS implies they were tried and convicted of treason in a court of law. Patently false.
Criminal implies they were tried and convicted of any crime in a court of law. Again, false.[/b]
MURDERED implies they were tried and convicted of murder in a court of law. Get where we are going here?

Now go watch the Obama address and count the times he spews the words hope and change as he drives our nation into the next great depression.