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Why weed should be legalized.

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I would rather weed legalized, but I know it will never be, because that would mean a legalization of hemp, which I wonder if it will ever be used.

I think that if you smoke it, it will be expensive also, and probably won't get you as high as what they have now. But, If weed was legalized, I don't believe it will be any cleaner or better. Look at how much stuff is in cigarettes.
 
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: HellRaiserandBeerDrinker
Amen, brother ....but Mods hate drug threads regardless of how sensible they are

Try "but Mods hate <STRONG>illegal</STRONG> drug threads reguardless of how <STRONG>stupid</STRONG> they are" and you'll get closer to the truth. 🙂

nik

Stop calling the Mods stupid!

The percentage of people using marihuana once in a while, as well as regularly here in the Netherlands are indeed lower than the USA. I myself have never used drugs (apart from alcohol) in my life, and do not plan on starting either. Weed isn't truly legal here, but the laws are such that the police will not act against people selling or using a limited amount.

Anyway, I (and others) looked up the links with statistics on this matter for the previous dozens of threads on this matter, but I can't be bothered at the moment (bad mood, at work). If you want you can search a bit back for all the previous threads.
 
I never thought I'd encounter so much blatant ignorance and so many incorrect illogical and undefended foolish remarks on a forum thread especially here at anandtech.
 
Normally I dont post in these threads because I dont smoke it or want to, but something you may want to know just happened.

In Nevada we are going to have legalized marajuana on the ballot next time around. It will make it so that having under 3oz will not be a crime.

This is not about medical marajuana, it's for the general public. I have no link about it but have been seeing it on the news for the past week or so. (Las Vegas)
 
Originally posted by: 911paramedic
Normally I dont post in these threads because I dont smoke it or want to, but something you may want to know just happened.

In Nevada we are going to have legalized marajuana on the ballot next time around. It will make it so that having under 3oz will not be a crime.

This is not about medical marajuana, it's for the general public. I have no link about it but have been seeing it on the news for the past week or so. (Las Vegas)

cant be 100% positive cuz i cant hit this site from work but.......this page should have more info on the vote

Its Norml to smoke
 
Originally posted by: gigapet
I never thought I'd encounter so much blatant ignorance and so many incorrect illogical and undefended foolish remarks on a forum thread especially here at anandtech.

Hmm, I'd almost say you haven't been here very long 😛

Which side are you on anyway? Then I can decide whether or not to attack you 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Originally posted by: gigapet
I never thought I'd encounter so much blatant ignorance and so many incorrect illogical and undefended foolish remarks on a forum thread especially here at anandtech.

Hmm, I'd almost say you haven't been here very long 😛

Which side are you on anyway? Then I can decide whether or not to attack you 🙂


i may not post alot but i read alot and my post count is not a reflection of my intelligence. Oh and by the looks of it your no more an experienced member as I as we both joined last august.(PFFF!!!) It would be pointless to attack me as I did not attack you unless your ignorant and make inncorrect illogical and undefended foolish remarks it which case educate yourself its the only known cure for ignorance

 
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Originally posted by: gigapet
I never thought I'd encounter so much blatant ignorance and so many incorrect illogical and undefended foolish remarks on a forum thread especially here at anandtech.

Hmm, I'd almost say you haven't been here very long 😛

Which side are you on anyway? Then I can decide whether or not to attack you 🙂


i may not post alot but i read alot and my post count is not a reflection of my intelligence. Oh and by the looks of it your no more an experienced member as I as we both joined last august.(PFFF!!!)
Which is why I didn't say it.

It would be pointless to attack me as I did not attack you unless your ignorant and make inncorrect illogical and undefended foolish remarks it which case educate yourself its the only known cure for ignorance
your -> you're
As stated, I'm in a bad mood, don't really care what you say, when you're not on my side you're against me 😉
 
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Originally posted by: gigapet
I never thought I'd encounter so much blatant ignorance and so many incorrect illogical and undefended foolish remarks on a forum thread especially here at anandtech.

Hmm, I'd almost say you haven't been here very long 😛

Which side are you on anyway? Then I can decide whether or not to attack you 🙂


i may not post alot but i read alot and my post count is not a reflection of my intelligence. Oh and by the looks of it your no more an experienced member as I as we both joined last august.(PFFF!!!)
Which is why I didn't say it.

It would be pointless to attack me as I did not attack you unless your ignorant and make inncorrect illogical and undefended foolish remarks it which case educate yourself its the only known cure for ignorance
your -> you're
As stated, I'm in a bad mood, don't really care what you say, when you're not on my side you're against me 😉


well then my side is full decriminalization
 
all in all, i must say the threadstarted is right, weed is not addictive, or at least less addictive than cigarettes, at least let the people who need it medically have it...at least that....i mean typically they are old and helpless, just let them have their suffering eased....
 
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: Cougar
Originally posted by
I'm not saying that all these substances should be banned, far far from it. It's just that the "good-time" arguments don't cut it with me. If you can't enjoy yourself without the help of chemicals then you need help.


you can buy a months worth of drugs for cost of one hour talking to some therapist who most likely frequently experimented with drugs espcially pot


Lovely, now what's your point?
 
Originally posted by: Cougar
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: Cougar
Originally posted by
I'm not saying that all these substances should be banned, far far from it. It's just that the "good-time" arguments don't cut it with me. If you can't enjoy yourself without the help of chemicals then you need help.


you can buy a months worth of drugs for cost of one hour talking to some therapist who most likely frequently experimented with drugs espcially pot


Lovely, now what's your point?


Point was that the "help" that you say a person needs is outrageously priced and serves no real purpose being that the exhippie helping you used to burn also and it would be much easier and economical to conitnue using the chemicasl as your therapy or means to have fun and enjoy yourself.
 
Actually, the best thing that ever happened to weed was it's becoming illegal. This helped to accelerate the evolution and adaption of the speices. Today's weed has THC concentrations of ~30%, where as 30 years ago, it was around 8%. Also, the plant can grow almost anywhere, from the tropics to even Alaska. This came about by underground basement farmers breeding different varieties of the plants, most notabley a variety that comes from Afghanistan of all places, in the search for the perfect plant.
 
Originally posted by: gigapet
I never thought I'd encounter so much blatant ignorance and so many incorrect illogical and undefended foolish remarks on a forum thread especially here at anandtech.


So because some of the posters in this thread don't agree with you, they're ignorant and illogical? I and some others just happen to share a different viewpoint. It will do absolutely no good to legalize weed. As much as you would like to think so, it won't. Period.


Q: In today's society people can't control their drinking, so what makes you think they'll be able to control their smoking (of weed of course)?

A: They can't, and won't. You don't need any "studies" to prove it. It's the logical conclusion.

Q: In today's society people chain smoke and drink like fish, what makes you think that they won't chain smoke some mary jane?

A: People (not all) will start sucking back joint after joint. All you have to do is look at how many people drink or smoke heavily (meaning more than say 5 or 6 drinks or about 8 or 9 cigarettes a day) and you'll realize the same thing will happen with weed. Again, you don't need any studies to prove this, it's the logical conclusion. When a "drug" is easily obtainable it gets abused plain and simple. If you need evidence just look at how many organizations have sprung up to help people stop drinking and smoking.

In today's society where no one is to blame for their actions, and people have no self-control whatsoever weed will do more harm than good. People will obuse it, people will develop addictions to "feeling good" (take note that I didn't say they'd be addicted to the weed itself), and people will have to go into rehab. These are not far-fetched arguments. All you need to do is look at the world around you and you'll see that this scenario will play out.

Sure, not everyone is going to get hooked and ruin their lives, and that's just great. The problem is that if it's legal and readily available that truckoads of people will develop a new "hobby".
 
Originally posted by: gigapet
Point was that the "help" that you say a person needs is outrageously priced and serves no real purpose being that the exhippie helping you used to burn also and it would be much easier and economical to conitnue using the chemicasl as your therapy or means to have fun and enjoy yourself.


Ok, I see where you're going with this, but I believe we're on different wavelegnths here. I wasn't talking about therapy. People don't go to the therapist on their way home from work so that they can relax. Now that you bring it up though, people do rely on therapists way too much. Everything is major catastrophe any more and nobody can deal with the slightest "bump" in their life. "Mr. Therapist, Jenny turned me down for a date, I feel like I'm worthless and nobody loves me. I'm going to be alone for the rest of my life." "There, there Johhny, don't think like that. Alot of people like you, you're a great guy. It's Jenny's fault that she turned you down, she's really missing out".

Or better yet, here's a real example for you. One of my sisters friends is "hooked" on going to the psychiatrist. She's too lazy to go to school, so she went to the shrink and he dignosed her with some ailment and gave her drugs. She's too lazy to work so she felt that "something was wrong with her" and went to the shrink and got drugs. This girl goes to the shrink for everything. Nothing is her fault and everything is a "sickness". Now, I'm not trying to imply that psychiatrists/therapists are completely useless, in todays messed up society they can provide real help to alot of troubled people. The problem is they, like anything else, get abused.

So back to the weed thing, I've said this over and over again but people will abuse weed if it's legalized, moreso than they do now that it's illegal. It's not the substances fault, it's the stupid people that use it. Just take a look at the world around you and you'll realize that this is the conclusion that will be reached.
 
Originally posted by: Cougar
Originally posted by: gigapet
I never thought I'd encounter so much blatant ignorance and so many incorrect illogical and undefended foolish remarks on a forum thread especially here at anandtech.


So because some of the posters in this thread don't agree with you, they're ignorant and illogical? I and some others just happen to share a different viewpoint. It will do absolutely no good to legalize weed. As much as you would like to think so, it won't. Period.


Q: In today's society people can't control their drinking, so what makes you think they'll be able to control their smoking (of weed of course)?

A: They can't, and won't. You don't need any "studies" to prove it. It's the logical conclusion.

Q: In today's society people chain smoke and drink like fish, what makes you think that they won't chain smoke some mary jane?

A: People (not all) will start sucking back joint after joint. All you have to do is look at how many people drink or smoke heavily (meaning more than say 5 or 6 drinks or about 8 or 9 cigarettes a day) and you'll realize the same thing will happen with weed. Again, you don't need any studies to prove this, it's the logical conclusion. When a "drug" is easily obtainable it gets abused plain and simple. If you need evidence just look at how many organizations have sprung up to help people stop drinking and smoking.

In today's society where no one is to blame for their actions, and people have no self-control whatsoever weed will do more harm than good. People will obuse it, people will develop addictions to "feeling good" (take note that I didn't say they'd be addicted to the weed itself), and people will have to go into rehab. These are not far-fetched arguments. All you need to do is look at the world around you and you'll see that this scenario will play out.

Sure, not everyone is going to get hooked and ruin their lives, and that's just great. The problem is that if it's legal and readily available that truckoads of people will develop a new "hobby".


======>So because some of the posters in this thread don't agree with you, they're ignorant and illogical? I and some others just happen to share a different viewpoint. It will do absolutely no good to legalize weed. As much as you would like to think so, it won't. Period.

THey are ignorant and illogical because there statements are and it goes for both some of the supporters and those against it. You say it wont do any good? Wut is good for you is not necessarily good for someone else or good for society as a whole. So your one of those that thinks its a great idea to place users under arrest and waste thousands and i'm sure millions on court fees and prisons just cuz somebody was possessing pot. Thats seems very irrational to me. The point is that no matter how you look at it abusing or not abusing the drug: A: its not your decision what i do with my life B: The country wont come to a grinding halt if its legalized

*legalized and decriminalized can be interchanged if you'd like for the purpose of arugment

Why should someone be looked upoon and treated as a criminal for getting high and why should it be perfectly acceptable for college students and adults to get drunk regularly? Its hypocritical, you can get drunk but you cant get high i dont see how they can be compared in the first place. You can die from alchohol many college students do each year. Yet its perfectly legal and accepted where as no body has ever died or come close from smoking too much pot. But you will get arrested and have a record in some states just for personal use possesion.

So you honestly belive that because its legal all of a sudden millions and millions of americans that have not smoked pot and do not or choose not to smoke it, will all of a sudden drop all the responsibilities in there life go buy a shitload of pot and smoke it all to there dome, some will become addicted and even those wwho are not will become instantly stupid and it will be the collapse of america. Absurd! If it is legalized you will see like in other countries, IE canada, and those places in europe that have recently softened or legalized cannibis laws that the result will be: less arrests, and no change if not a decrease in the amount of cannibis smokers. I believe that everyone that desires to smoke, smokes as much as they want to regardless of the laws, therefor it only makes sense to let these people be and not criminalize them for something so stupid as getting high.
 
Originally posted by: gregshin
IMMA KEEL ALL YOU POTHEADS!!!! :|

my .44 make sho all ya'll kids dont grow!

if your not bein sarcastic would you mind explaining your obviously well thought out statments and your reasons why you feel that way
 
Originally posted by: gigapet
======>So because some of the posters in this thread don't agree with you, they're ignorant and illogical? I and some others just happen to share a different viewpoint. It will do absolutely no good to legalize weed. As much as you would like to think so, it won't. Period.

THey are ignorant and illogical because there statements are and it goes for both some of the supporters and those against it. You say it wont do any good? Wut is good for you is not necessarily good for someone else or good for society as a whole. So your one of those that thinks its a great idea to place users under arrest and waste thousands and i'm sure millions on court fees and prisons just cuz somebody was possessing pot. Thats seems very irrational to me. The point is that no matter how you look at it abusing or not abusing the drug: A: its not your decision what i do with my life B: The country wont come to a grinding halt if its legalized

*legalized and decriminalized can be interchanged if you'd like for the purpose of arugment

Why should someone be looked upoon and treated as a criminal for getting high and why should it be perfectly acceptable for college students and adults to get drunk regularly? Its hypocritical, you can get drunk but you cant get high i dont see how they can be compared in the first place. You can die from alchohol many college students do each year. Yet its perfectly legal and accepted where as no body has ever died or come close from smoking too much pot. But you will get arrested and have a record in some states just for personal use possesion.

So you honestly belive that because its legal all of a sudden millions and millions of americans that have not smoked pot and do not or choose not to smoke it, will all of a sudden drop all the responsibilities in there life go buy a shitload of pot and smoke it all to there dome, some will become addicted and even those wwho are not will become instantly stupid and it will be the collapse of america. Absurd! If it is legalized you will see like in other countries, IE canada, and those places in europe that have recently softened or legalized cannibis laws that the result will be: less arrests, and no change if not a decrease in the amount of cannibis smokers. I believe that everyone that desires to smoke, smokes as much as they want to regardless of the laws, therefor it only makes sense to let these people be and not criminalize them for something so stupid as getting high.

I never said you should be arrested, and that America will collapse because everyone was addicted. I joked about it in my first post, but I'm being serious now. If you haven't caught on I don't exactly approve of alcohol either. I don't see it as a good thing that college kids (and other folks) get blitzed on a regular basis just so they can have a good time. Also, you keep comparing us to Canada and other countries...your logic is flawed my friend. America is vastly different from other countries, you know that and I know that. In what country is no-one ever to blame for their actions? America. In what country do we need warning labels on everything to "protect" the public? America.

I also never said that everyone will drop everything and become stoners. Weed like anything else will gradually take a stronger hold in people's lives. When the stigma of weed is gone and you can buy it anywhere, countless new users WILL experiment with it. People will start off smoking 1 a day, and then they'll have a really bad day at work and they'll suck back 2, and then it snowballs from there. Answer this question for me, how many smokers do you know that smoke only 1 or two cigarettes a day? My guess is not many. The problem is that the general population in America aren't responsible enough to control themselves, so what makes you think that they'll be able to control how much weed they smoke? No, everyone isn't retarded and not everyone lacks self-control, but the vast amount of the population does. Turn on the news and see what's happening today. How many people are injured/killed because of some kind of disagreement (bar brawl, marital difficulties, etc.)? How many people are in rehab?

If want to smoke weed, then go for it. I'm not saying that you personally shouldn't be allowed to do it because I don't like it. I've never said that you have to do what I think is right. It's a free country and you can do whatever you wish. The problem does remain though that the general population isn't responsible enough to handle the legalization of weed. When you're dealing with a population that has a child-like mentality where "big-brother" or someone else has to hold their hand or they'll hurt themselves, then maybe we do need someone set some ground rules. If you haven't noticed lately, this country is slowly sliding into the dumpster, and legalizing weed won't pull it back out. Try and rationalize it all you want, but it won't benefit this country to have weed at every gas station.

It's the bad apples that spoil it for every one else, and sadly there are more and more bad apples with each passing day.
 
*legalized and decriminalized can be interchanged if you'd like for the purpose of arugment.

Incorrect. Legalized, decriminalized, and subsidized mean entirely different things, and have different political and social ramifications. I'll give the quick summary of each:


Decriminalization: The government will not prosecute for simple possession, but can (whether it will is another question) continue to prosecute dealers.

Legalization: Pot is legal to own and legal to sell, without government prosecution. Standards may be regulated by the government or production/sales facilities overseen by governmental agencies, but oversight is done in a generally passive fashion.

Subsidization: The government actively participates in or acts in an active oversight role in the marketplace, up to and including the growing of raw product, its manufacture to finished goods, and sale at the end-consumer level.


 
Originally posted by: Cougar
Originally posted by: gigapet
======>So because some of the posters in this thread don't agree with you, they're ignorant and illogical? I and some others just happen to share a different viewpoint. It will do absolutely no good to legalize weed. As much as you would like to think so, it won't. Period.

THey are ignorant and illogical because there statements are and it goes for both some of the supporters and those against it. You say it wont do any good? Wut is good for you is not necessarily good for someone else or good for society as a whole. So your one of those that thinks its a great idea to place users under arrest and waste thousands and i'm sure millions on court fees and prisons just cuz somebody was possessing pot. Thats seems very irrational to me. The point is that no matter how you look at it abusing or not abusing the drug: A: its not your decision what i do with my life B: The country wont come to a grinding halt if its legalized

*legalized and decriminalized can be interchanged if you'd like for the purpose of arugment

Why should someone be looked upoon and treated as a criminal for getting high and why should it be perfectly acceptable for college students and adults to get drunk regularly? Its hypocritical, you can get drunk but you cant get high i dont see how they can be compared in the first place. You can die from alchohol many college students do each year. Yet its perfectly legal and accepted where as no body has ever died or come close from smoking too much pot. But you will get arrested and have a record in some states just for personal use possesion.

So you honestly belive that because its legal all of a sudden millions and millions of americans that have not smoked pot and do not or choose not to smoke it, will all of a sudden drop all the responsibilities in there life go buy a shitload of pot and smoke it all to there dome, some will become addicted and even those wwho are not will become instantly stupid and it will be the collapse of america. Absurd! If it is legalized you will see like in other countries, IE canada, and those places in europe that have recently softened or legalized cannibis laws that the result will be: less arrests, and no change if not a decrease in the amount of cannibis smokers. I believe that everyone that desires to smoke, smokes as much as they want to regardless of the laws, therefor it only makes sense to let these people be and not criminalize them for something so stupid as getting high.

I never said you should be arrested, and that America will collapse because everyone was addicted. I joked about it in my first post, but I'm being serious now. If you haven't caught on I don't exactly approve of alcohol either. I don't see it as a good thing that college kids (and other folks) get blitzed on a regular basis just so they can have a good time. Also, you keep comparing us to Canada and other countries...your logic is flawed my friend. America is vastly different from other countries, you know that and I know that. In what country is no-one ever to blame for their actions? America. In what country do we need warning labels on everything to "protect" the public? America.

I also never said that everyone will drop everything and become stoners. Weed like anything else will gradually take a stronger hold in people's lives. When the stigma of weed is gone and you can buy it anywhere, countless new users WILL experiment with it. People will start off smoking 1 a day, and then they'll have a really bad day at work and they'll suck back 2, and then it snowballs from there. Answer this question for me, how many smokers do you know that smoke only 1 or two cigarettes a day? My guess is not many. The problem is that the general population in America aren't responsible enough to control themselves, so what makes you think that they'll be able to control how much weed they smoke? No, everyone isn't retarded and not everyone lacks self-control, but the vast amount of the population does. Turn on the news and see what's happening today. How many people are injured/killed because of some kind of disagreement (bar brawl, marital difficulties, etc.)? How many people are in rehab?

If want to smoke weed, then go for it. I'm not saying that you personally shouldn't be allowed to do it because I don't like it. I've never said that you have to do what I think is right. It's a free country and you can do whatever you wish. The problem does remain though that the general population isn't responsible enough to handle the legalization of weed. When you're dealing with a population that has a child-like mentality where "big-brother" or someone else has to hold their hand or they'll hurt themselves, then maybe we do need someone set some ground rules. If you haven't noticed lately, this country is slowly sliding into the dumpster, and legalizing weed won't pull it back out. Try and rationalize it all you want, but it won't benefit this country to have weed at every gas station.

It's the bad apples that spoil it for every one else, and sadly there are more and more bad apples with each passing day.

lgalization is not important to me but decriminalization is.

Maybe this is a point to consider also I am not sure how old you are but I am 21, growing up going to middle school and high school alcohol was virtually impossible for me to get. However starting in 6 and 7 grade I was able to purchase pot whenever i wanted if i wanted however much i wanted. High School opened the doors even more, I could now get virtually any substance i wanted as much as i wanted whenever i wanted but still very little access to alcohol. I am fairly positvie this is the same situation elsewhere in the country. Wut creates this grave problem that school children can smoke pot or drop acid at 16 but cant score a beer? I'll give you a hint, the government controls alchohol therefor restricting the access minors have to it. The government does not control the pot, meaning there is now regulation on it so anybody with a money in there pocket can get it.

There is time and place to experiment with substances and its called college not highschool but college. Most people try pot in college at some point and either dislike it and never try it again, like it and occosaionally use , like it and habitually use. THe majority of these 3 groups all end up graduatiing college and becoming productive members of society and those that continue to smoke at some point the majority of them lose interest in getting high all together. You claim that society is on its way down the drain and i dont see how pot has to do with any of this countries problems. Whether you realize it or not we are a nation of alcohol drinkers/abusers, a nation of coke users/abusers and a nation of pot users/abusers however we still are the most productive nation in the world. if pot and alchohol are as bad as you say this country would have not made it past the 60's and 70's.

I compared america to other countries because there is one constant that remains the same, we are all human. We have the same suseptability towards addiction as does everyone else in the world. BUt its not an issue of addiction its an issue of personal preference and freedom, if you like it do it. if you dont dont do it.

Another thing to consider, wehter you know it or not some of the greatest musicians, writers, artists and thinkers in this worlds history smoked pot. It cant be taht bad if you yourself probably at some point have contributed money for their idea or talent which came to them through pot. If you dont support pot you should perhaps look at what movies you watch and music you listen to and books you read and return those whose creators use pot.....hey and alchohol for that matter. Wut will you be left with if you took all the ideas created by someone who was under the influence of pot and erased them from the world, probably a pretty dull uncultured boring place.

Just let them be, drug laws create criminals
 
Originally posted by: glenn1
*legalized and decriminalized can be interchanged if you'd like for the purpose of arugment.

Incorrect. Legalized, decriminalized, and subsidized mean entirely different things, and have different political and social ramifications. I'll give the quick summary of each:


Decriminalization: The government will not prosecute for simple possession, but can (whether it will is another question) continue to prosecute dealers.

Legalization: Pot is legal to own and legal to sell, without government prosecution. Standards may be regulated by the government or production/sales facilities overseen by governmental agencies, but oversight is done in a generally passive fashion.

Subsidization: The government actively participates in or acts in an active oversight role in the marketplace, up to and including the growing of raw product, its manufacture to finished goods, and sale at the end-consumer level.

iam fully aware of there diferences i was just trying to simplify everything being that I have the same argument for all of them

 
Legalizing weed will bring income to the states and stop shoving income out of the states to places that bring the cash crop.

Ethics and morality aside, why is it so bad? It is bad because of how it makes you feel, or is it bad because three generations of people have been raised to tell you this thing is bad. Think about how society would feel if three generations of people were raised thinking this substance isn't "bad" for society.

I say legalize it so the money stops going into the pockets of foreign people that bank on our demand and put the money back into our own pocket. The only real way we can study and quantify how bad this substance is for our body is to study it.

vash
 
It should stay illegal and enforcement and punishment should be increased to sending users to Siberia or Alaska. I am tired of hearing people say there is no reason it should be illegal cause it does nothing wrong because that is false. It makes people lazy and they don't do their work as much, plus it smells bad.
 
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