Why use macintosh?

[deanx0r]

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I don't think he is trolling or faking it. He might just be very narrow minded. I used to be the same way before I got hooked up on Macs, and encounters people like him almost daily.

I always find it fun to argue about Macs every once in a while, but when the opposing side is too stubborn, I just conclude they must be dumbasses and move on

 

[AstroManLuca]

what i wonder in threads like these, is why some who have 580gtx's and I7 overclocked on $300 mobo's upgrading every year really give a damn about "Overpaying" on anything? lol

That's like spending $4000 on a 3d TV with BR and a junk Sony amp and telling someone their stupid for paying $2000 on a Sunfire theater grand reciever. lol WTF is wrong you types.

no different than many pc enthusiasts spending $300 + for a cosmos-s case and the like, most of which is a mixture of thin aluminum and cheap plastic.
for tablets and laptops, i'd much rather have the aluminum Apples. its a preference and obviously such details pays off in spades as Apples sales show

I think PC users who buy ultra high end hardware is the group I least understand. I am a DIY PC user myself, but I can at least understand the appeal of some Macs (not the Mac Pro though, sorry!).

I put together my desktop PC a couple years ago for under $800 and it was specced out with decent hardware for the time. Nothing insane though. Radeon 4870, Phenom II X3, a cheapish Lian Li case, decent Corsair power supply, and 6 GB of RAM (it was still cheap back then). Nothing crazy or off the wall. I haven't done anything to upgrade it since then and I haven't needed to. Don't really know why people spend so much on the best CPU/GPU money can buy when it'll just be outdated in six months anyway; may as well just get something a little bit lower end at half the price.

Building desktops for cheap is a great thing about PCs, but it's silly to go so overboard while still complaining about Mac users overpaying. If anything, buying a Mac Pro makes more sense because at least it'll hold its value better.

 

[HeXen]

I think PC users who buy ultra high end hardware is the group I least understand. I am a DIY PC user myself, but I can at least understand the appeal of some Macs (not the Mac Pro though, sorry!).

I put together my desktop PC a couple years ago for under $800 and it was specced out with decent hardware for the time. Nothing insane though. Radeon 4870, Phenom II X3, a cheapish Lian Li case, decent Corsair power supply, and 6 GB of RAM (it was still cheap back then). Nothing crazy or off the wall. I haven't done anything to upgrade it since then and I haven't needed to. Don't really know why people spend so much on the best CPU/GPU money can buy when it'll just be outdated in six months anyway; may as well just get something a little bit lower end at half the price.

Building desktops for cheap is a great thing about PCs, but it's silly to go so overboard while still complaining about Mac users overpaying. If anything, buying a Mac Pro makes more sense because at least it'll hold its value better.

Its more than just the specs and what people pay though, Apple has a standard they try to maintain and that carries over to the software and it's aesthetics carries over into other things like speakers, remotes...etc. Like those speakers that have transparent cases or whatever.

Consoles like the xbox360, do a similar thing. it sets a standard and when you have stricter hardware configurations and OS configurations, it makes it easier for companies to take advantage of the hardware much more efficiently than on PC where the OS and hardware configurations vary wildly, what works on your tested rig won't work on everyone's machine despite the same OS.

Some people can't get a game or app to run right in Windows like some others simply cause their Windows configurations/registry corruptions..etc are borked and need reinstalled or corrected in various ways or a driver issue with some oddball brand of Audio card. much, not all though, is avoided in Apple hardware due to its more strict, keep users from screwing it up kinda way.

Point is theres not just 10 years worth of Windows7 compatible/capable hardware configurations to deal with on the 90% PC worldwide users out there, there's also 10 years worth of brand quality for each part too and plenty of badly written drivers and software out there.
On top of the "fanatic PC users" with liquid cooled nutsaks and 10 other coolers in their closet unused saying Macbook pro is stupid waste... makes sense

 

[Jschmuck2]

So you admit the only reason you spend the ridiculously huge mark up on Mac products and settle for the low performance is because how they look to you?

thanks for admitting that.

You trying to compare the automobile market with the computer market to justify Apple's pricing is quite honestly the most ridiculous, delusional and sad thing I've ever seen an Apple fan post in regards to Apples prices.

Jesus lol I'm not trying to get into an argument about what size screens Lenovo makes, Lenovo doesn't make those anymore period. Their discontinued totally.

The highest screen size Lenovo currently makes is 15"..

You should get out more

 

[Anneka]

The MacBook Air is pretty reasonably priced when you compare it to its competitors.

I was thinking the same thing. Although many think Apple is overpriced if you surf a little on the market prices you would be amazed of other prices.

 

[TheStu]

I was thinking the same thing. Although many think Apple is overpriced if you surf a little on the market prices you would be amazed of other prices.

Yea, take a look at the Samsung 9 Series laptops. Obviously designed to compete with the Air directly, they have nicer CPUs, but worse GPUs, and are hundreds more expensive.

 

[Zaap]

; may as well just get something a little bit lower end at half the price.

If everyone did that, it wouldn't be 'half the price', it would simply become the new 'high end' and cost accordingly. Believe me, AMD or Intel would think nothing of selling you OLD technology at twice the price, in fact, they'd love it. The high end buyers are what keep your low end or mid-range cheap- if not for their demand constantly pushing the envelope, the chipmakers would gladly milk every piece of hardware for max profit, and you'd be using something way older that cost twice as much.

Those that can't understand high-end hardware, simply aren't doing high end tasks or work with their systems. That's fine, but as it's been asked before in this thread, why is it so hard for some to understand others have different computing needs?

Threads like this reveal for me how myopic people are when it comes to technology.

 

[JSt0rm]

Those that can't understand high-end hardware, simply aren't doing high end tasks or work with their systems. That's fine, but as it's been asked before in this thread, why is it so hard for some to understand others have different computing needs?

Threads like this reveal for me how myopic people are when it comes to technology.

The thing is they dont understand that an extra $2000 spent on the cpu's alone could have a total value in real $ far above that initial cost. Like hundred of times more money.

 

[Anneka]

Yea, take a look at the Samsung 9 Series laptops. Obviously designed to compete with the Air directly, they have nicer CPUs, but worse GPUs, and are hundreds more expensive.

Just did a search for this series. OMG OMG, I mean paying a brand product is one thing but this is just ridiculous. $1599 is way to much.

 

[Zaap]

Wait, so how much is a lighter/thinner/ 13" laptop with an i5 rather than an ancient C2D supposed to cost again?

Funny how with Apple, it's "Design costs money! Any price is justified!"

Then suddenly with the PC it's "Design PLUS greater stats= Why isn't it cheaper?"

Too funny! If Steve Jobs came out with the same thing, the Mac-fanbois would swear up and down it was the greatest value ever.

 

[runawayprisoner]

If you can find another 13" laptop that is as thin and durable with a Core i5, an all aluminum body or comparable material, backlit keyboard, high contrast vibrant display, and 8 hours of real battery run time, I'd love to know which one it is.

 

[scbjmshpv]

building windows pc is easy and you get powerful system for around $700-1000.
there are better options for gaming and most of the manufacture have parts attached and not welded into the system, so if you need upgread you can do it easily.
many big manufacture (dell/HP/Toshiba) and lot of small shops makes the windows system, and the competition keeps the price lowered.

for mac:
yes the software and hardware are very very well designed around normal customers use considering the ease of it's software and looks and resources it uses it's great platform.
Updates secures the system properly and the additional software data doesn't slow down the system.
Apple actually not only looking towards easy of software and making machine that is one of a kind just to look at it even when it's off adds lot to overall likeness for average user.

Many user fight over apple overpricing their products but the fact is it's actually not that overpriced as some brags about. considering the effort they've put on for the overall hardware and software research and build price is actually fair. yes i do think it's overpriced when you compare the power of system to other hardware, but with software and looks and the overall system as whole it's not that overpriced (little overpriced but not that much)

 

[TheStu]

Wait, so how much is a lighter/thinner/ 13" laptop with an i5 rather than an ancient C2D supposed to cost again?

Funny how with Apple, it's "Design costs money! Any price is justified!"

Then suddenly with the PC it's "Design PLUS greater stats= Why isn't it cheaper?"

Too funny! If Steve Jobs came out with the same thing, the Mac-fanbois would swear up and down it was the greatest value ever.

The Samsung beats the Air in almost every way however the screen is a lower res, GPU is worse, and it has Windows 7 compared to OS X.

Oh, and they also have a multi-touch, all-button trackpad. I have $50 that says that the Apple one works much, much better.

Alright, so you have the Core i5 SNB vs a Core 2 Duo (and although it is the last generation Core 2, it is no SNB) so the CPU is definitely better, though I do wonder a little bit what you people need all this computing power for in an ultraportable (this includes the 13" MBA) when the 1.4GHz in my 11" MBA is plenty fast for well... just about everything I do.

Same amount of RAM, though it looks like the Samsung can go up to 8GB, though i don't see an option on their website to configure it, so it might be vendors choice.

Intel integrated graphics have come a long, long way since the says of the Extreme 2, but in Anand's testing of the new SNB MacBook Pros, it appears that although it does beat the 320m sometimes (look at the Windows gaming tests) in low settings at medium settings it only topped it once in SC2.

Weight/Thinness. The Samsung is 2.88lb and the MacBook Air is 2.9lb. The Samsung is .64-.62" thick, the Air is .68-.11. Do with that what you will, I see the weight as a potential rounding error, and the thickness as just a simple difference between the wedge and samsung's design.

The display should be about the same quality wise, though the resolution is higher on the MBA, which is a slight reversal of the norm. I find this especially interesting because I feel like Windows 7 (Really every version of Windows, 7 is the best thus far and is leaps and bounds better than XP for layering and multitasking) works better on higher rather than lower resolutions. OS X works equally well on both high and lower resolutions, IMO.

Battery life... we know that the 13" Air gets pretty superb battery life under OS X, getting something like 11 hours in the light usage test I think, and still gets 5+ hours of heavier use IIRC. Samsung is saying 7 hours, let's get some reviews.

Trackpad. Apple wins.

Keyboard, they are both chiclet, but the Samsung is backlit. Score. Take a look at the image gallery on Samsung's website, and the keyboard layout shot that they have, if that is the actual US keyboard layout then WTF. It looks like a UK layout though, so hopefully they just linked the wrong image.

Connectivity. Samsung Wins, if only because of the actual ethernet port. I do look forward to the next MBA, with Thunderbolt though, that should be pretty awesome.

And, something that I had not noticed before, the Samsung comes with a 3 year warranty to Apple's 1. So the price is actually the same between the two once you bump the RAM to 4GB and add AppleCare. I would argue that AppleCare is a greater value than Samsung's warranty (both directly and as an aspect of a resale).

Where I think that the real disparity is going to be is between the 11" Air and the 11" Series 9. The Samsung there is going to have the non-SNB Core i which is still better than the Core 2, but not by as huge a margin, and has the older intel integrated graphics as well.

What I find most interesting at the end of the day however is that you, a Mac user seems to be using all the anti-Apple arguments and tactics. Attributing everything to Steve Jobs, the great satan, calling us all fanbois, but ignoring the fact that an anti-fanboi is just as bad.

 

[Zaap]

The Samsung beats the Air in almost every way...

... hence it costs what it costs. Just like Mac laptops cost what they cost. I just found it funny the idea that the designer PC laptop is supposed to cost less. Why would it? If someone doesn't want to pay that amount for a PC laptop, they certainly can an almost endless number of designs for less. But just as with Apple- for the people that DO want those features at that price and are willing to pay for it, what's the big deal? I just found it funny that the Mac side seems to get this about Macs, and constantly states it to those that insist Macs are overpriced... but then sometimes turn around and make the exact same charges about similar PCs.

What I find most interesting at the end of the day however is that you, a Mac user seems to be using all the anti-Apple arguments and tactics. Attributing everything to Steve Jobs, the great satan, calling us all fanbois, but ignoring the fact that an anti-fanboi is just as bad.

First of all, I don't define myself as strictly a 'Mac user' just because I like and use OSX and Macs and PCs I've hacked to run OSX. I personally find it a little silly to take 'sides' to such a degree over tools. I'm not emotionally invested in any of this anymore than I am over brands of TVs or cars or screwdrivers or dishwashers or whatever. In all cases, I'd rather have MORE choices than less, and can't fathom why people seem to take sides and get so emotional over things, they start to want to complain about the fact that there are tons of choices out there for everyone's different needs. Why bitch about Macs if they aren't for you? Why bitch about PCs, or what someone else spent on one? Why bitch about CHOICE?

Would it be better if we all still had no friggen choice except for Apple II's or 286 IBM PCs?? I just don't get why worrying about other people's choices of tech equipment is such a war for some people.

And as for the fanboi thing- I do tease Apple fanbois a lot, but then I rib PC fanbois that are equally blind to the Mac side as well. Fanbois are just funny to me- usually amoung the worst of tech novices, but always thinking they are the opposite. For the record, I wasn't calling you or anyone else here a fanboi- so I apologize if it seemed that way.

I was just making the point regarding the Samsung- that if the exact same design/stats had an Apple logo on it, ran OSX, and Steve Jobs telling everyone how it was the greatest damn thing ever, the Mac fanbois would parrot what a steal it was all over the Internet for anyone that was going "$1600??!!!!! HOW COULD IT COST SO MUCH!!!! OVERPRICED!"

Personally, I think it's silly to argue that *ANYTHING* is overpriced IF: 1. the exact same thing can't be had anywhere else for less, and 2. people are willing to pay the asking price and the company makes a profit. Don't like it? Don't buy it- but doesn't mean others aren't/won't. Of all companies, Apple proves this all the time in spades.