Why use macintosh?

[Zaap]

1. Final Cut Pro
2. I love OSX

I couldn't care less about the hardware as I: don't like desktop all-in-ones, don't subscribe to Steve Jobs's corporate whims defining what white plastic cases 'look good' anyway, don't like boutique boxes with laptop hardware designed for Leprechauns with a shortage of storage space, don't care to ever pay more than $1000-$1600 for a tower I'll likely want to upgrade/overhaul/replace in only a few years anyway. That lets all of Apple's so-called 'desktops' out. I do love the Macbooks though-Apple definitely makes awesome laptops.

I don't have any real issues with Windows, and find most of the complaints about it outdated and cliche. In other words, I don't suffer from bias-based user-error while using it.

But I need OSX to make a living, as Final Cut doesn't run on anything else. Plus I really like the look and feel of OSX- having no problems using other OS'es doesn't automatically preclude disliking OSX. Basically, I'm the quintessential Hackintosh owner. Make the best of both worlds.

 

[Anteaus]

Power, low price, build quality and portability; all staples of Lenovo.

This. If anyone wants to take my T61 from me they will need to bring heavy weapons and be ready to deal with the consequences. Lmao.

 

[QueBert]

How is All In One something to brag about lol?

Anyways you can easily get a 27" IPS screen + a computer tons better than the highest end iMac.

It's not something to brag about, but you bragged about being able to build an AIO for cheaper. You cannot build an AIO, so you can'r really say the price is way too high. You'll pay about 1k for the Dell 27" IPS alone, and honestly it's not as good of a screen IMHO. AIO's cost more, The Dell one I saw was $900 and it had an 18.5" shit screen. The iMac is the BEST AIO computer out there. Is it overpriced? yeah slightly, but I'd end up paying around $1,500 to build a PC with a 27" IPS, and it would have almost no resale value.

Many people will factor in a car resale value before they buy. Spending more up front will net you more down the road when you sell it if you buy smart.

 

[alfa147x]

The lenovos that i'v worked with at work are nice but anything but cheap.

 

[Patranus]

The trackpad.

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[Zaap]

It's not something to brag about, but you bragged about being able to build an AIO for cheaper.

He didn't say AIO. To most PC builders, an AIO is something you get your grandmother, hardly something you're trying to build yourself.

 

[TuxDave]

He didn't say AIO. To most PC builders, an AIO is something you get your grandmother, hardly something you're trying to build yourself.

Well if you're going to compare what something costs and what you can build, you should assume similiar form factors. Yeah for the price of a Macbook pro I could totally build an awesome desktop with better gaming capability.

 

[endlessmike133]

It's not something to brag about, but you bragged about being able to build an AIO for cheaper. You cannot build an AIO, so you can'r really say the price is way too high. You'll pay about 1k for the Dell 27" IPS alone, and honestly it's not as good of a screen IMHO. AIO's cost more, The Dell one I saw was $900 and it had an 18.5" shit screen. The iMac is the BEST AIO computer out there. Is it overpriced? yeah slightly, but I'd end up paying around $1,500 to build a PC with a 27" IPS, and it would have almost no resale value.

Many people will factor in a car resale value before they buy. Spending more up front will net you more down the road when you sell it if you buy smart.

If you're serious about whatever it is you're doing with your computer; you're not gonna wanna spend more money for less performance just because you can make up some of that money in the future.

You're gonna want the best performance you can get for your money, sadly no Apple device in the world offers you that outside of the iPhone.

The lenovos that i'v worked with at work are nice but anything but cheap.

Cheaper than a MacBook.

 

[sourceninja]

Mac has good software, but it lacks large variety and the average Mac lacks the hardware flexibility of the average PC. In addition, Apple does little to eliminate that weakness. In fact, they readily admit they are a hardware company and not a software developer, even though OSX is the heart and soul of Apples. Apples are also good for people who tend to do only a few things with their machines and thus want stability over versitility.

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I totally 100% disagree with this part of your statement. OSX is unix and thus has access to the VAST universe of applications written for unix plus all the great applications written for OSX. It even has some games now.

 

[Zaap]

Well if you're going to compare what something costs and what you can build, you should assume similiar form factors. Yeah for the price of a Macbook pro I could totally build an awesome desktop with better gaming capability.

What you may be missing is that many people view the AIO form factor as a HUGE negative. So not paying to have my (only one? no thanks) monitor grafted onto my PC, thus limiting the PC is a major PLUS.

When I want to upgrade/rebuild/replace the PC, the monitor(s!) stay put. We're talking desktops, not laptops, and the iMac is a desktop, so it's a fair comparison. For those that like an AIO, good for you, but it's just a preference, not the most logical form of desktop PC the way some make it out to be..

 

[alfa147x]

Cheaper than a MacBook.

Link?

 

[endlessmike133]

Link?

Lenovo.com

Apple.com

 

[alfa147x]

Lenovo.com

Apple.com

I think you just proved your inability to place substantial proof behind your statements.

 

[endlessmike133]

I think you just proved your inability to place substantial proof behind your statements.

If you're posting in this topic and you don't already know that MacBooks are way overpriced compared to other Laptops like Lenovos, Sagers, etc than I honestly have no business talking/trying to prove anything to you.

 

[alfa147x]

If you're posting in this topic and you don't already know that MacBooks are way overpriced compared to other Laptops like Lenovos, Sagers, etc than I honestly have no business talking/trying to prove anything to you.

Is it okay if we disregard any of the statements you have made in this thread? I say this because you have failed to provide anything to back. Honestly if you can show me a Windows running laptop that has the build quality, portability (weight / size), battery life, and specs of a MBP. I will consider ordering one by the end of the month.

 

[sourceninja]

Overpriced is a relative term. My first work notebook was a dell, and it was priced within $300.00 of my current macbook pro. Would I pay $300.00 for the screen, keyboard, trackpad, *nix OS, and general look/feel of the hardware? You bet I would.

Honestly, I would never consider buying another notebook that didn't have a touchpad larger and more usable then the one on my mac. That alone is worth a hundred to me easy.

 

[Anteaus]

I totally 100% disagree with this part of your statement. OSX is unix and thus has access to the VAST universe of applications written for unix plus all the great applications written for OSX. It even has some games now.

OSX is not unix, it is BSD. Second, people can only access what is available at their skill level. I agree about the productivity software, but let's go to your local software store and do a numerical comparison for the amount of software options for each platform. Apple has always had "some" games. That's the problem. They only ever have "some" and this will never change unless Apple shifts gears to increase their userbase.

Even Apple's Appstore numbers are misleading because they only advertise total numbers and not how many are distinctively different apps, i.e. how many Sudoku apps are really needed before you stop counting them individually.

Additionally, if your day to day activity includes going through hordes of old Unix programs looking for something useful, your more likely to be a Linux user instead of either a OSX or PC user. Also, most of the Unix based programs that would likely be used (Gnome, Pidgin, etc) are also available for PCs or at worst easily used virtually, so thats not exactly a notch on OSX's belt.

 

[alfa147x]

OSX is not unix, it is BSD.

Close enough:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_UNIX_Specification#Mac_OS_X_and_Mac_OS_X_Server

 

[Zaap]

Is it okay if we disregard any of the statements you have made in this thread? I say this because you have failed to provide anything to back. Honestly if you can show me a Windows running laptop that has the build quality, portability (weight / size), battery life, and specs of a MBP. I will consider ordering one by the end of the month.

Now you're shifting the goal post. The claim was cheaper, which you asked for proof of. (You already seemed to know the quality is good) A quick glance at Lenovo's prices reveals they're easily cheaper than Apple.

I don't understand why people take this stuff so personally, then resort to goal post shifting over it. Macs are great for what they are- just not the only thing in the tech universe for everyone.

 

[endlessmike133]

Is it okay if we disregard any of the statements you have made in this thread? I say this because you have failed to provide anything to back. Honestly if you can show me a Windows running laptop that has the build quality, portability (weight / size), battery life, and specs of a MBP. I will consider ordering one by the end of the month.

Fine.

Sager NP5160 vs Macbook Pro 13 inch

15.6-inch 1920x1080 LED-Backlight Screen vs 13 inch 1280x800 Screen (lol)

1GB GDDR3 nVidia Geforce GT540M with Optimus Technology/Embedded Intel Graphics vs Intel HD Graphics 3000 (lol)

i5-2520m @ 2.5GHz vs i5 2nd generation @ 2.3GHz

320GB 7200RPM HDD vs 320GB 5400RPM HDD (lol)

4GB DDR3 RAM vs 4GB DDR3 RAM

Price of Sager: $924

Price of Macbook: $1200


I would've compared a Lenovo laptop but they haven't launched their Sandy Bridge Laptops yet (but when they do their guaranteed to be cheaper and more powerful than the MacBooks, just like all their other laptops are lol).

 

[Anteaus]

Is it okay if we disregard any of the statements you have made in this thread? I say this because you have failed to provide anything to back. Honestly if you can show me a Windows running laptop that has the build quality, portability (weight / size), battery life, and specs of a MBP. I will consider ordering one by the end of the month.

His point that on a dollar for dollar basis you get much more bang for your buck with a decent PC laptop versus an apple. No one is arguing build quality of Apple gear. They are top notch. But they aren't the only option. No one is going to make you want something else if you love Apple.

This is especially true with Mac Pro. The price Apple asks for those is ridiculous. Apples to apples, you can build 3 high end PCs for the price of one reasonable loaded Mac Pro. You have to really love Apple to buy that, or use it for business.

On the flip side, I know people who buy Apple gear and immediately replace OSX with Windows. I guess to each our own.

 

[alfa147x]

Fine.

Sager NP5160 vs Macbook Pro 13 inch

15.6-inch 1920x1080 LED-Backlight Screen vs 13 inch 1280x800 Screen (lol)

1GB GDDR3 nVidia Geforce GT540M with Optimus Technology/Embedded Intel Graphics vs Intel HD Graphics 3000 (lol)

i5-2520m @ 2.5GHz vs i5 2nd generation @ 2.3GHz

320GB 7200RPM HDD vs 320GB 5400RPM HDD (lol)

4GB DDR3 RAM vs 4GB DDR3 RAM

Price of Sager: $924

Price of Macbook: $1200


I would've compared a Lenovo laptop but they haven't launched their Sandy Bridge Laptops yet (but when they do their guaranteed to be cheaper and more powerful than the MacBooks, just like all their other laptops are lol).

I question that laptop's build quality, trackpad, and battery life. Which could easily make up for for the extra $$$. You really haven't proven your point. All you're proven is with an budget of X people will be looking at different things in a laptop.

I still don't consider Apple laptops / iMac over priced. The Mac Pro lol yeah... that's over priced. :\

 

[Zaap]

I'd still get the MacBook over the Sager. The quality of the MacBook line (plus OSX + Windows IE; software argument is mostly moot) is hard to beat. It's Mac 'desktops' that fall way too far short for me.

 

[endlessmike133]

I question that laptop's build quality, trackpad, and battery life. Which could easily make up for for the extra $$$. You really haven't proven your point. All you're proven is with an budget of X people will be looking at different things in a laptop.

I still don't consider Apple laptops / iMac over priced. The Mac Pro lol yeah... that's over priced. :\

Like I said, I would've used Lenovo but they haven't launched their Sandy Bridge line yet.

However they still offer Laptops with tons better performance of the Macbook Pro 13/15 and 17 at a lower price.

Anyways if you can't see why the iMac is overprice you're a dolt.

 

[TheStu]

Fine.

Sager NP5160 vs Macbook Pro 13 inch

15.6-inch 1920x1080 LED-Backlight Screen vs 13 inch 1280x800 Screen (lol)

1GB GDDR3 nVidia Geforce GT540M with Optimus Technology/Embedded Intel Graphics vs Intel HD Graphics 3000 (lol)

i5-2520m @ 2.5GHz vs i5 2nd generation @ 2.3GHz

320GB 7200RPM HDD vs 320GB 5400RPM HDD (lol)

4GB DDR3 RAM vs 4GB DDR3 RAM

Price of Sager: $924

Price of Macbook: $1200


I would've compared a Lenovo laptop but they haven't launched their Sandy Bridge Laptops yet (but when they do their guaranteed to be cheaper and more powerful than the MacBooks, just like all their other laptops are lol).

I am no expert, so I could be wrong here... but I think that he is laughing out loud.

Congratulations by the way, you have proven that you can get a PC for less than a Mac. You are the first person in the history of the internet to do so, you win the victory prize of being known as the King of the Internet for the next 12.3 minutes.

Oh and, ahem, lol.